Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2019/2020) - DeAngelo and Lemieux Left

[NYR Viper]

Yeah, I see the loser points as a sign that they should have had more points, not less.

So you're saying you're a glass half full kind of guy

 

[SA16]

Yeah, I see the loser points as a sign that they should have had more points, not less.

Yes everyone always argues this wrong. If you are 0-20 in OT you didn't get 20 points you didn't deserve. You missed out on around 10 points that you did deserve.

 

[Thirty One]

So you're saying you're a glass half full kind of guy

Yes, Rangers Cup Contenders. CONFIRMED.

 

[offdacrossbar]

Your premise is predicated on DeAngelo taking giant steps forward, Staal discovering the fountain of youth and two rookies instantly being NHL contributors on the defense. That has to be the case, because while Trouba makes things better, by himself he cannot remake an entire defense. And the chances of all of those things coming to fruition next season are not great.

no shatty 5v5. win

no overplaying pionk, win

thats addition by subtraction right there.

add in trouba and fox.

77 will have a breakout season with pionk gone and him getting a reg shift and PP time. this kid will approach 50 points this season.

the unknowns are hajek and rykov

 

[eco's bones]

I think the Rangers will be somewhere between a 10 and 16 team. With Panarin, Zibanejad and Kakko I don't think we're getting shut out very often and I think our D and some of our younger players are going to improve.

A lot may depend on how well Kravtsov adapts or how much improvement Chytil, Andersson and Howden make---whether or not Fox and one of the rookie LD's can prove themselves. If most of those things happen I can see us battling for a playoff position or at least being in the picture late in the season. Even so the Rangers will have to move on from an unsigned Kreider even if it helps derail the playoffs.

I don't think it will hurt the Rangers to add more beef some time over the course of the season. qqqqqqqqqqq

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

So much this. I get the excitement and I know it'll be a fun season to watch at least (hopefully anyway) but to expect this defense to be that much better when really all you can say is that the addition of Trouba will help. Otherwise, ADA needs to pick up where he left off and then we need big things from rookies.

If Hank and Geo have a largely questionable D in front of them again, it's going to be rough on them.

75 points? Maybe a little low... maybe more. Playoffs? I seriously doubt. But again, everything is a question mark right now... I'm going to try to enjoy the ride.

I know the Shatty thing was beaten to death but he was one of our better defenseman last season statistically (that is saying a lot in and of itself) and he has had years of experience at this level. But that ship has sailed.

There is going to be a lot of trust given to 1/3rd of our defense that will have exactly ZERO to FIVE games of NHL experience total. In addition to a talented but mercurial 23 year-old and 32 year-old Staal who plays more like a 42 year-old.

That's asking an awful lot from the most important part of a winning team if you are predicting playoffs. Their goaltending and scoring prowess will bail them out on some nights but over the long haul I see this team on the outside again. But they'll be fun to watch!

 

[wafflepadsave]

I honestly wouldn't mind Fiala from Minny in a Kreider trade. No arb. righs. Trade Kreider for him, sign him for 4 years at 3.5m or something.

Watched him here in Nashville enough to say he doesn’t do well in traffic.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Once Panarins grandfather tosses the ring of power into the lava pit in Mordor, we will make the playoffs

 

[Thirty One]

Watched him here in Nashville enough to say he doesn’t do well in traffic.

Who gives a f***, he can take the subway.

 

[True Blue]

They weren't good enough to regularly win in regulation (how many games did we **** up right at the end?) but they weren't bad enough to lose all those games in regulation.

You completely missed my point. The point was that were it not for such a crap shoot as the looser's point, they would have been worse. Basically that was even money. What I am saying is that in reality, when looking at the teams, they were not all that different from the teams that finished bottom 3 last year.

 

[Thirty One]

You completely missed my point. The point was that were it not for such a crap shoot as the looser's point, they would have been worse. Basically that was even money. What I am saying is that in reality, when looking at the teams, they were not all that different from the teams that finished bottom 3 last year.

Getting to overtime isn't a crapshoot. The result of overtime is. They performed poorly in that crapshoot.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I see the Rangers as a 82-88 Point team. No playoffs. But lots of inconsistency that gets peoples hopes up. Here's what I expect:

• Team scores more goals going from 227 to 245
• Team defense improves due to Trouba and better mobility.
• Goaltending takes a step forward with Shesty & Geo filling in, and Hank getting limited minutes. Lack of fatigue for Hank helps with more quality starts. But the goaltending trio (should Shesty stick around), steals 15 wins this year.
• Team GA improves to 250 but...
• ...PK remains bottom 5. You see improvements with Trouba being the anchor, but not enough to carry the load.
• Year consists of intermittent periods of offensive dominance, mixed in with defensive lapses.
• 5-2 wins are followed up with 4-0 losses.
• Team is more consistent in terms of the games they show up for. There is more effort, with the likes of Pionk, Shatts, & Vesey out of the line-up, but the ELCs make a lot of mistakes.
• What ends up hurting the team the most is a lack of clear roles outside of the top players.
• Kids get their ice time slashed and raised, but none of the ELCs fill a consistent slot in the line-up leading to Quinn being questioned on these boards.

Bullet points create synergy

 

[True Blue]

no shatty 5v5. win

no overplaying pionk, win

thats addition by subtraction right there.

Stall, one year older, playing on the 2nd line 5vt. Loose

add in trouba and fox.

Add in Trouba AND Fox? Did I miss the part when Fox was becoing equated with a vet like Trouba? Based on what do you make the connection that insinuates that adding Fox is as good for being a better defense as adding in Trouba? Last I checked Fox was playing against Harvard, not even the AHL. What makes you think that he is instantly a solid defenseman at the NHL level?

77 will have a breakout season with pionk gone and him getting a reg shift and PP time. this kid will approach 50 points this season.

I certainly HOPE so. Just like you HOPE so. But you cannot really state that a break out is coming with any certainty, can you? But that's fine. Let's say it goes exactly as you HOPE. Now you have Trouba and a break out year for DeAngelo. Let's even say that Skej gets back on track. That gets countered with another year of Stall who depreciates more and two rookies. That is half of the defense.

the unknowns are hajek and rykov

They are unknown, but Fox is a dependable stalwart?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Bullet points create synergy

More like Boo-Let Points.

 

[True Blue]

Getting to overtime isn't a crapshoot. The result of overtime is. They performed poorly in that crapshoot.

Getting the looser's point is a crapshoot. They could have just as easily not gotten it.

 

[Kovalev27]

Can you imagine Mika playing with actual first line talent? He’s going to take another step this year if god loving he’s healthy.

 

[Calad]

Sean Tierney does a good job with WAR/projecting line-ups/projecting point totals.

He has the Rangers as a 73 point team.



The same thing happened last year. The Rangers won't be as bad as the WAR people are projecting. You will see and they will all be proven wrong. Lundqvist won't allow the Rangers to be a bottom five team. The Rangers have too much talent to be a bottom five team. They may even challenge for a playoff spot because those teams in the Metro don't scare anyone.

The Rangers ended up worse 6th overall. The Rangers weren't a bottom five team.

WAR is a great statistic to use to compare players directly, but when it's used as a summation of a team I have a problem. Among other aspects, most notably lack of accounting for a coach and system is a glaring omission, and as seen with teams like Stlouis and NYI last year the whole can often be better (or worse) than the sum of its parts due to the person behind the bench.

Also many teams live and die by goaltending, as we saw many times over the years with Hank keeping mediocre teams afloat and carrying good teams to great heights.

 

[LORDE]

Yes everyone always argues this wrong. If you are 0-20 in OT you didn't get 20 points you didn't deserve. You missed out on around 10 points that you did deserve.

Without observing the games I'm not sure you can say that. By just going Avg? I guess. But if they play like ass in the OTs and lost them all why do they deserve 10???

 

[Mac n Gs]

Getting the looser's point is a crapshoot. They could have just as easily not gotten it.

TB pls, it's spelled loser.

 

[Thirty One]

Getting the looser's point is a crapshoot. They could have just as easily not gotten it.

Pls elaborate.

 

[RGY]

In Henrik's early days this would have been a playoff team. We've seen him drag worse teams than this to an 8th seed before. But now, you're completely correct on that.

What if GG takes another step forward and splits time more evenly with Hank? Maybe we can be at the wild card spot.

You look at Rask getting a reduced workload last year due to Halak addition.

I know Hank likes the heavy workload but this could benefit him.

 

[RGY]

no shatty 5v5. win

no overplaying pionk, win

thats addition by subtraction right there.

add in trouba and fox.

77 will have a breakout season with pionk gone and him getting a reg shift and PP time. this kid will approach 50 points this season.

the unknowns are hajek and rykov

And if Hajek and Rykov dont push through, you may have Lindgren or Reunanen able to.

They have stocked up in legitimate options with more promising D prospect depth than they have ever had.

 

[bobbop]

I've come a long way on D'Angelo but I read this boards and feel like he is being (slightly) overrated. Let's tap the brakes a little. He still has a lot of work to do on the defensive end (a lot of work) and I'd like to see his offense play out over a much longer period than the 25 or so games where he played well last year. I'd also like to see him play 82 games (or at least close) and not spend so much time in Chateau Bow-Wow. Tony is a work in progress.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I've come a long way on D'Angelo but I read this boards and feel like he is being (slightly) overrated. Let's tap the brakes a little. He still has a lot of work to do on the defensive end (a lot of work) and I'd like to see his offense play out over a much longer period than the 25 or so games where he played well last year. I'd also like to see him play 82 games (or at least close) and not spend so much time in Chateau Bow-Wow. Tony is a work in progress.

Not really. He needs work still defensively but he held his own more often than not the second half of last season. If he gets that much better defensively, along with his top offensive skills/production, then he becomes a legit 1st pair defenseman.

 

[Thirty One]

I've come a long way on D'Angelo but I read this boards and feel like he is being (slightly) overrated. Let's tap the brakes a little. He still has a lot of work to do on the defensive end (a lot of work) and I'd like to see his offense play out over a much longer period than the 25 or so games where he played well last year. I'd also like to see him play 82 games (or at least close) and not spend so much time in Chateau Bow-Wow. Tony is a work in progress.

There's a great scene from the Larry Sanders Show where Larry wants Bobcat Goldthwait to be his guest host and he does a trial run which is way over the top and obnoxious. Larry says to him, "The energy was great, but maybe dial it back to a seven." When Bobcat tells him that was a seven, Larry says, "Let's see two."

That's kind of how I feel about DeAngelo. I like aggressive hockey, but I think he needs to fine tune his concept of risk/reward a tad.