Speculation: Roster Building Thread I (2021 Offseason) - And so it begins...

[RangerBoy]

31 Thoughts: What caused the 'disconnect' between Eichel, Sabres

Says a decision on DQ is coming this week, also interestingly says "Chris Drury is pretty popular. Not sure what he’s going to do with his front office, but there’s a lot of interest in working for him, and, by extension, the Rangers."

Elliotte mentioned Ryan Hardy from the Chicago Steel as a future NHL executive.

Hardy is from Madison, Connecticut. He worked for the Bruins and USA Hockey.

Coaches/Hockey Staff

Does Drury know Hardy?

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

31 Thoughts: What caused the 'disconnect' between Eichel, Sabres

Says a decision on DQ is coming this week, also interestingly says "Chris Drury is pretty popular. Not sure what he’s going to do with his front office, but there’s a lot of interest in working for him, and, by extension, the Rangers."

People forget to realize that MANY teams wanted him as GM. People need to stop thinking he is gonna do a horrible job

 

[RangerBoy]

Please no John Tortorella. Anyone but that guy. Such a fake tough guy. Stone Age hockey.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'm REALLY not interested in signing Zibanejad for more than 5 years. If he wants more term than that, he should be traded.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Anyone using their David Quinn tracker?

He’s dropping presents over Tajikistan right now

 

[SA16]

His 5v5 play fell off a cliff this year even after he recovered. His defensive game is also wildly overrated. He’s passable and looks ok next to his competition on the NYR but people on here talk about him like he’s a Selke candidate.

It did? In the second half of the season (last 28 games) he had a 3.15 pts/60 at 5v5.

I'm REALLY not interested in signing Zibanejad for more than 5 years. If he wants more term than that, he should be traded.

I find it hard to understand how you could be interested in 5 years but 6 years would be a no go. The one year is not going to make a huge difference. This is like the Panarin comments how people would go "no higher" than 11.x or any random number when the difference between Panarin making 11M and 11.6M is like the difference of just having a 22 man roster instead of 23. Either you should be interested in extending him or not interested in extending. I don't see what an arbitrary cutoff of one marginal year does.

 

[NYR Viper]

It did? In the second half of the season (last 28 games) he had a 3.15 pts/60 at 5v5.



I find it hard to understand how you could be interested in 5 years but 6 years would be a no go. The one year is not going to make a huge difference. This is like the Panarin comments how people would go "no higher" than 11.x or any random number when the difference between Panarin making 11M and 11.6M is like the difference of just having a 22 man roster instead of 23. Either you should be interested in extending him or not interested in extending. I don't see what an arbitrary cutoff of one marginal year does.

Because I get the sense that age 33-34 is going to be a slow down, so adding on 35 years old to that contract is my breaking point?

I can understand thinking well his peak will be 30, 31, 32, and he will begin to slow down at 33 and 34 but we are paying for his peak years and we just have to hope that he is either tradeable or continues to play well in those final two years but we can manage that. I thoroughly dislike the idea of adding a 3rd season where he will more than likely continue to slow down.

I have said numerous times that I would prefer to trade him and recoup pieces and look elsewhere. BUT I can see some attraction to a 5 year deal.

 

[SA16]

Because I get the sense that age 33-34 is going to be a slow down, so adding on 35 years old to that contract is my breaking point?

I can understand thinking well his peak will be 30, 31, 32, and he will begin to slow down at 33 and 34 but we are paying for his peak years and we just have to hope that he is either tradeable or continues to play well in those final two years but we can manage that. I thoroughly dislike the idea of adding a 3rd season where he will more than likely continue to slow down.

I have said numerous times that I would prefer to trade him and recoup pieces and look elsewhere. BUT I can see some attraction to a 5 year deal.

So you've essentially arbitrarily decided age 33-34 is the slow down? Why not age 34-35? It's a guessing game. If you're fine with 5 years there is zero reason that you should not give him 6 years if that he what he demands assuming the 6th year would slightly decrease the AAV.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Bruce Boudreau would be the best coach for this current team imo. But he is not a winning option for the cup i dont think. We will see

 

[Shesterkybomb]

My bet is on Daniel briere as assistant gm and Quinn stays

 

[Machinehead]

What is new is he's gone a year and a half of lost revenue to the pandemic.

Right, so the obvious conclusion to that is writing blank checks to star players.

He signed off on the rebuild, but we don't know how Sather and co sold that to him. Was it was "you gotta be patient" or was it "we'll be cup contenders in two years"?

If the selling point was that we would be a Cup contender in two years, they never would have sent out the letter.

Those years are over because the league adopted a salary cap. But I do wonder how much Dolan's finger prints are on the "one player away moves" (Nash, MSL, Yandle), the years were the Rangers dealt picks and let the farm system run dry—which went a long way to the need for the letter and (re)build.

Breaking news: we still have a salary cap. Problem solved.

We can agree to disagree but I absolutely stand by the team chasing a Cup those years. You rebuild to contend. If you're not gonna go for it when it's time, why bother rebuilding?

Age aside, the Eichel very well could wind up the same way. He's seemingly injured right now and the cost to acquire him will likely be higher than what they gave up for Bure. And the Lindros trade was bad trade from the start. The other three were FA signings at a time when there was no cap.

Yes, he very well could and I've said all along I'm not that interested in Eichel. But acquiring a mid-20's player is different from acquiring an expensive star in their 30's. Who fits that profile that's even available? Who's out there that's a Dark Ages player that the Rangers have expressed interest in? It's fear mongering.

I don't think any of those guys were effective. You can point at all the stats you want, those teams were a mess.

Of course those teams were a mess and I said why those teams were a mess.

But those players were bad? Talk about revisionist history.

Lindros and Fluery were part of a line that was one of the best in the NHL for a season, if not the best. Bure came to the Rangers mid-season and literally finished the season at a goal-per-game pace. 03-04 was one of Bobby Holik's best seasons in the NHL.

The point being, if you acquire big names, and plug them into a roster that's not already broken before they arrive, it can work, and we've already done that with Panarin.

Dolan was given talking points. And despite your rosy revisionist history, all he has shown able to do is sit behind the scenes and make ignorant proclamations that fly in the face of reality. And there seemingly is already a storm brewing in that Dolan says he got rid of JD/G because the team hasn't progressed the way he wants (or at least someone told him that it hasn't) and Drury then says there's no timetable for the playoffs....

Given talking points? By who?? He's the owner of the team...

The rebuild not progressing the way you want can literally mean anything. It absolutely does not necessarily mean "rebuild is over, we're trading Kakko for [aging star that doesn't exist or hasn't been linked with the Rangers in any way]."

The point is, there's absolutely no evidence yet that we're blowing up the rebuild to establish a retirement home, and we couldn't do that because there's a f***ing salary cap!

Anybody here will tell you I'm highly critical of the Rangers when they make bad moves, but let's let them make some moves before we start in with "I'm close to not being a fan" or "I hope they don't trade Lafreniere/Kakko."

I would be very, very surprised if they trade Kakko and I'll give you a guarantee in writing that they don't trade Lafreniere.

 

[Machinehead]

And while I certainly wouldn't touch any of the obvious names among the prospects, what's wrong with being a little bit more aggressive at this point?

The whole point of the rebuild was that we never have the elite talent to build around. Fox, Lafreniere, Kakko, Panarin. That part is over.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Bruce Boudreau would be the best coach for this current team imo. But he is not a winning option for the cup i dont think. We will see

He's the best choice if you want to be entertained.

Elliotte mentioned Ryan Hardy from the Chicago Steel as a future NHL executive.

Hardy is from Madison, Connecticut. He worked for the Bruins and USA Hockey.

Coaches/Hockey Staff

Does Drury know Hardy?

Jamie Herrington (who is on our staff right now) was a scout for the NTDP while he was there so theres a connection there.

 

[rangers1314]

My bet is on Daniel briere as assistant gm and Quinn stays

Maybe hes involved but at a lower level, even Drury started lower than that.

I have no idea if they are available, but getting Eric Tulsky or Darren Yorke out of Carolina would be tremendous.

Do they fill 2 spots (AGM. GM AHL) or do they go 3 and add a Hockey Ops guy in there too?

 

[NYR Viper]

So you've essentially arbitrarily decided age 33-34 is the slow down? Why not age 34-35? It's a guessing game. If you're fine with 5 years there is zero reason that you should not give him 6 years if that he what he demands assuming the 6th year would slightly decrease the AAV.

Everything is arbitrary but I am basing this off of what I am seeing around the league in the past with guys as they age.

So if you're buying a car that you really like and the sticker says $55,000 and you go make an offer but the salesman says, 'what's the difference, how about $60,000', you'd still buy it?

My specific breaking point is 5 years. I have no interest in a longer deal than that for a player with injury history.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Bruce Boudreau would be the best coach for this current team imo. But he is not a winning option for the cup i dont think. We will see

Boudreau is a tried and true loser. I’d prefer to steer clear of him.

 

[Off Sides]

Everything is arbitrary but I am basing this off of what I am seeing around the league in the past with guys as they age.

So if you're buying a car that you really like and the sticker says $55,000 and you go make an offer but the salesman says, 'what's the difference, how about $60,000', you'd still buy it?

My specific breaking point is 5 years. I have no interest in a longer deal than that for a player with injury history.

What if Zbad say he requires 7 years, and he'll just enforce his no movement clause right up until his contract ends naturally next off-season if they try to trade him?

Not saying it will come down to that, usually these things work out with some sort of compromise, yet the Rangers only real leverage with Zbad it to say that's just too high, can we trade you or do you want to play out your contract?

edit: Should mention though I agree with you, normally if he were a UFA I'm not interested in anything that brings him past 33-34 years old as "arbitrary" as that may or may not be.

 

[Kovalev27]

Why boudreau? His teams constantly seem to struggle in the playoffs, to the point that the narrative follows him around. I cant see him coming here to help get them in the playoffs only to be canned in three years bc they never got out of the first round...

honestly because he prob will only be here 3 years like anyone else but in those 3 years he’ll develop our talented kids into scorers who get into the playoffs and get their feet wet. That to me is more important. We need to see kravtsov kakko and lafreniere become offensive stars. Boudreau will make sure that happens. From there with a great goalie (he’s never had one) and some really good young D I like what he can do for us.

I know if we get gallant he’ll be a better overall coach but he won’t last more than 3 years either.

I like them both and would be happy with either.

 

[NYblades]

Please no John Tortorella. Anyone but that guy. Such a fake tough guy. Stone Age hockey.

Been there, done that with him.

 

[Machinehead]

The league is different now too.

Stars used to move. Gretzky played for 4 teams. Messier played for 3 teams. Hull played for 5 teams. Coffey played for 7(?) teams. Chelios played for 3 teams not counting a joke retirement lap in Atlanta. Shanahan played for 5 teams. Jagr played for 49 teams.

Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Backstrom, Kopitar, Bergeron, Doughty, Toews, Kane, Keith, McDavid, and Hedman are all *probably* going to play for one team.

And if it wasn't for the salary cap and Patrick Kane, Panarin would have played for one team.

 

[McRanger92]

Everything is arbitrary but I am basing this off of what I am seeing around the league in the past with guys as they age.

So if you're buying a car that you really like and the sticker says $55,000 and you go make an offer but the salesman says, 'what's the difference, how about $60,000', you'd still buy it?

My specific breaking point is 5 years. I have no interest in a longer deal than that for a player with injury history.

Mika's injury history is overblown to me. He broke his leg in 2016-17 but since then has played 267 of 290 games.

 

[bleedblue94]

honestly because he prob will only be here 3 years like anyone else but in those 3 years he’ll develop our talented kids into scorers who get into the playoffs and get their feet wet. That to me is more important. We need to see kravtsov kakko and lafreniere become offensive stars. Boudreau will make sure that happens. From there with a great goalie (he’s never had one) and some really good young D I like what he can do for us.

I know if we get gallant he’ll be a better overall coach but he won’t last more than 3 years either.

I like them both and would be happy with either.

what are your feelings on a torts reunion?

 

[NYblades]

The league is different now too.

Stars used to move. Gretzky played for 4 teams. Messier played for 3 teams. Hull played for 5 teams. Coffey played for 7(?) teams. Chelios played for 3 teams not counting a joke retirement lap in Atlanta. Shanahan played for 5 teams. Jagr played for 49 teams.

Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Backstrom, Kopitar, Bergeron, Doughty, Toews, Kane, Keith, McDavid, and Hedman are all *probably* going to play for one team.

And if it wasn't for the salary cap and Patrick Kane, Panarin would have played for one team.

Which means the Rangers drafting high enough and getting KK and Laf was very good luck for the team's future.

 

[Crease]

I can see the Drury offering Briere Director of Player Development + GM of Hartford (AHL). He's currently running day-to-day ops in Portland (ECHL).

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Bruce Boudreau would be the best coach for this current team imo. But he is not a winning option for the cup i dont think. We will see

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