Speculation: Roster Building Thread I (2019/2020) - A Day in the Life

[Vitto79]

Skjei, Staal, (open spot). Is one of Staal or Skjei getting double shifted on the third pair every game? Get the point now?

Not really lol .. say Hajek wins a spot then great Smith sits . Say Skjei or Staal get hurt then call up Rykov ... Smith sits ... he can do the same on RD

 

[Vitto79]

We're already locked and stocked at forward if neither Kreider or Namestnikov are immediately on the outs.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Panarin-Namestnikov-Kakko
Chytil-Strome-Kravtsov
Lemieux-Howden-Fast

And that's with Andersson, Nieves, McKegg, and Beleskey in the AHL. I'm also being cynical by putting the veterans at middle-6 center rather than the rookies.

True but we all can see Kreider , Namestnikov , Strome , Fast going as rentals eventually and injuries happen

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Unless we send Smith down to Hartford i dont see why we would be signing an 8th NHL D. If Fox can start in Hartford there was even less reason to buy Shattenkirk out.

 

[eco's bones]

I don’t think either side is playing hardball the cap situation just forces them to wait. It tells me they want to sign them for more than 1 year.

Pure speculation but my guess is they have talked to both guys about a multi year deal if they can clear enough space and a 1 year deal with an extension Jan 1 if they can’t

I guess it depends on how you look at it but when you ask someone to take a lot less than they would normally expect you're asking them to take one on the chin for the team. It appears to me that the Rangers will likely leverage both DeAngelo and Lemieux this way.

 

[Kovalev27]

Were not signing an 8th dman. That was ridiculous last year would be even more so this year with all the kids in Hartford we should be giving looks too.

Smith can play forward left D and right D. He’s not worth 4 million dollars but there’s certainly value in that. He can cover 2 roster spots alone.

Rykov and Hajek both are going to push hard for NHL spots. Lindgren is serviceable we don’t need another Freddy Claesson eating up mins from a kid. This is a rebuild. Weve got plenty of veteran D.

 

[LORDE]

I also feel incredibly bad for Shattenkirk on a personal level. Say what you want about his play but he left a lot of money on the table to come play for his childhood team and gets hit with an injury that pretty much derails his entire tenure here from the get go.

I wouldnt get too down on a guy who’s gonna get 12M plus from the NYR while he plays for someone else, against the NYR making X$ for Xyears

I’m sure he’ll be fine

 

[egelband]

We have $3,535,201 in available cap space. 12 fwds, 5 d, 2 g
2 RFAs left to sign. 1 fwd, 1 d. Close to QOs is the likeliest route.
Maybe add a cheap vet UFA #7D, less likely but possible is an added Vet fwd at ~$925 to insulate roster in case all kids not ready. Two tradable assets for something small at TDL.
Totally doable. NYR caught in “Cap Hell” was a very short state of existence...

Net effect of Shattenkirks buyout for next year
Savings Dan Girardi $2.500.000
Savings Matt Bellesky $825.000
Buyout Kevin Shattenkirk $6,083,333
Net buyout effect 2020/2021: -$2.758.333

This is not optimal. But there was “no other way” with the trade market being totally down the drain due to lower cap increase than expected and a slew of unsigned RFAs in the league limiting options. Minnesota firing their GM also came a couple days too early . Come TDL - we can get much better value for all of our short term pieces. Especially if we retain money. Return on Kreider at 50% could be massive from desperate hubristic “contenders”. It is what it is. Uncle Larry rolled a Lebowski strike on this one. Looking fwd to the season!

Indeed. "Cap Hell". Haha. I called it "Cap Double Parked".
I do wish they could have kept Shatty. But I imagine Gorton and Co. dealt with him respectfully and sensitively. The way this team has re-tooled, I'd imagine Shatty was excited and hoping to be part of it.

 

[LORDE]

I’m really baffled at reading some of the posters in here.

As if they know more than a GM running one of the wealthiest professional sport teams in the world.

Tend to agree althoughhhhhhhh

This IS the same GM who signed Shatty 2 years ago, and who gave Namestnikov 4Mx2

Both of those moves put us in this spot. Panarin and Trouba also for sure, but we have to wait and see there right?????

 

[Mrpuck]

Tend to agree althoughhhhhhhh

This IS the same GM who signed Shatty 2 years ago, and who gave Namestnikov 4Mx2

Both of those moves put us in this spot. Panarin and Trouba also for sure, but we have to wait and see there right?????

I think those moves need to be looked at in the right context. Every GM in the league with cap space would have signed Shatty to the hometown deal he gave the Rangers. The guy had an injury, it happens. Maybe he would have been better this year from the reports coming out, who knows. But I can't blame Gordon for that signing. Nemestnikov is still an asset and got market rate for a resign. Maybe with the loss of Hayes there are plans for him to play a role here.

In the end two things happened to fall into our laps. Kakko and Panarin. Nobody could have predicted either. They both instantly change the direction of the team. Had Panarin not happened, I am sure Shatty would still be here. But if you have a chance to add a guy of his level you take it, and then work out the other issues that come with it.

 

[Edge]

This team has been solid on trades and drafting.

I think where they're a little spotty is on giving out contracts --- especially to defensemen.

The Rangers have essentially signed half a defensive corps who would get significantly lower contracts if they were all set free on July 1, to say nothing about the other buyout currently on the books.

So if I'm JD, and I see contracts to Smith, Staal, Girardi, Shattenkirk, Namestnikov, Spooner, etc., that's probably where I'm going back and saying to the staff, "We aren't doing nearly enough due dillegence in these scenarios. I can understand one or two questionable contracts, but we're talking half-a-dozen or more, and tens of millions of dollars in cap space over the years."

 

[LORDE]

People keep whispering about these "issues" but no one actually says what they are. I'm still waiting. As far as I can gather, AdA is a crass loudmouth who voiced political opinions unpopular with the internet.
And apparently was late to practice.
If there's more to it, I'd love to know.

Pretty sure he cross checked a ref, was suspended for a racist or sexual preference term and has had issues with showing up on time to practices or meetings.

I’m a fan. But let’s NOT pretend the kid didn’t (doesn’t?) have issues or is in any way the pillar of professionalism. Politics aside.

 

[Bob Richards]

Pretty sure he cross checked a ref, was suspended for a racist or sexual preference term and has had issues with showing up on time to practices or meetings.

I’m a fan. But let’s NOT pretend the kid didn’t (doesn’t?) have issues or is in any way the pillar of professionalism. Politics aside.

Yeah he was suspended 8 games for verbal abuse on one of his own teammates and suspended two different times for abuse of officials.

I'm totally willing to believe in growth and change but lets not rewrite history that DeAngelo didn't have some really serious problems and was being benched and traded around the league for no reason.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Still pissed about what happened. Staal and Smith should not be Rangers this season.


Well, at least we can re-sign TDA and Lemieux

 

[Dijock94]

Yeah he was suspended 8 games for verbal abuse on one of his own teammates and suspended two different times for abuse of officials.

I'm totally willing to believe in growth and change but lets not rewrite history that DeAngelo didn't have some really serious problems and was being benched and traded around the league for no reason.

I like his fire if he can direct it in the proper direction. Marchand/Hartnell/Avery

 

[Dijock94]

Trade Namestnikov.


Kreider Zibanejad Buchnevich
Panarin Chytil Kakko
Kravstov Howden Strome
Lemieux Andersson Fast
(Nieves)

Skjei Trouba
Staal DeAngelo
Hajek Fox
(Smith)

Lundqvist
Georgiev

Hopefully with a little jump from the second year forwards and some added stability from Trouba this team might be able to sneak into a playoff spot.

 

[Tawnos]

You know, I would still consider buying out Namestnikov. The dead cap between this year and next year would only be an additional $1.275m.

It would give you the flexibility to give DeAngelo and Lemieux decent contracts, sign a 6/7 RD type and have the flexibility to bring up and send down players as needed.

And then his cap hit will go away the same time Lundqvist, Smith and Staal do.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

If Namestnikov stays, I like the idea of putting him with Panarin to increase his point totals/trade value.

But Names didn't play much center last year, I think he had less than 100 faceoffs. Not sure if he's the best option there.

 

[JimmyG89]

With the following moves, we're sitting with roughly 3 million in cap space:

Bury Smith and Beleskey
McKegg to the minors

13F (Panarin, KZB, Kakko, Kravtsov, Chytil, Andersson, Names, Strome, Fast, Nieves, Howden)
5D (Skjei, Staal, Hajek, Trouba, Fox)
2G (Hank, Georgiev)

If we are calling up Shesterkin for a stretch, we're sitting at around 2M. DeAngelo and Lemiuex are going to need to sign for less that $1M in order to have some flexibility, without another deal.

Hopefully being out from our cap issues, we can actually get a trade for someone like Names or Strome with 50% retained. I'm not sure they want to go into next season with 14 forwards on the active roster. This also assumes that Kravtsov is in the NHL on day 1, which I believe he will be. Nieves could be waived and is likely to pass through to Hartford if they don't make a trade now or in camp, but having him be the 13th forward is more ideal than one of the younger players or an unhappy Names or Strome sitting.

 

[NYR Viper]

If Namestnikov stays, I like the idea of putting him with Panarin to increase his point totals/trade value.

But Names didn't play much center last year, I think he had less than 100 faceoffs. Not sure if he's the best option there.

I'd be more inclined to play Namestnikov with the younger guy like Kravtsov or Kakko to help cover them defensively and dig in the corners

 

[RangerBoy]

This team has been solid on trades and drafting.

I think where they're a little spotty is on giving out contracts --- especially to defensemen.

The Rangers have essentially signed half a defensive corps who would get significantly lower contracts if they were all set free on July 1, to say nothing about the other buyout currently on the books.

So if I'm JD, and I see contracts to Smith, Staal, Girardi, Shattenkirk, Namestnikov, Spooner, etc., that's probably where I'm going back and saying to the staff, "We aren't doing nearly enough due dillegence in these scenarios. I can understand one or two questionable contracts, but we're talking half-a-dozen or more, and tens of millions of dollars in cap space over the years."

JD’s first major move was to give a a 28 year old winger $81.5 million over seven seasons. That contract has epic disaster written all over it.

 

[ETTER DE]

This team has been solid on trades and drafting.

I think where they're a little spotty is on giving out contracts --- especially to defensemen.

The Rangers have essentially signed half a defensive corps who would get significantly lower contracts if they were all set free on July 1, to say nothing about the other buyout currently on the books.

So if I'm JD, and I see contracts to Smith, Staal, Girardi, Shattenkirk, Namestnikov, Spooner, etc., that's probably where I'm going back and saying to the staff, "We aren't doing nearly enough due dillegence in these scenarios. I can understand one or two questionable contracts, but we're talking half-a-dozen or more, and tens of millions of dollars in cap space over the years."

True. And still many want to give DeAngelo a long big contract before he has proven himself.

 

[Rongomania]

Watch how good we look IF Kreider rips it up before the TDL. It's a risk, but man could that pay off.

What would 40+ goal pace + way more assists more than usual equate to at the TDL.

?

Should be our biggest haul yet ....

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

I don't get this "Shattenkirk was blocking the development of TDA and Fox by taking away their playing time" thing. Can't you say the exact same thing about Staal and Smith with regard to Hajek, Rykov, Lindgren, Reunanen...? I get that Fox is a better prospect than those guys, but the point remains and unlike Hajek and Lindgren, Fox has no NHL experience.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

With the following moves, we're sitting with roughly 3 million in cap space:

Bury Smith and Beleskey
McKegg to the minors

13F (Panarin, KZB, Kakko, Kravtsov, Chytil, Andersson, Names, Strome, Fast, Nieves, Howden)
5D (Skjei, Staal, Hajek, Trouba, Fox)
2G (Hank, Georgiev)

.

You have 11 names under forwards.... Kreider is missing, who is the last one?

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

You have 11 names under forwards.... Kreider is missing, who is the last one?

Lemieux