Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXXVIII: Preparing for a huge letdown

[GregSirico]

I hope we don't sign Tavares next year. Can't hand out millions for years on a guy who is 28 to start the season. That's just poor management. Right?

If we are out on Shatty, I think we move on from Mac when he's done, and then yes, we don't look at JT. I think it's a bigger youth movement than that.

 

[GregSirico]

Not every team is in the same position that buffalo is in.

If the rangers made mcdonagh available in a minute, pretty much the entire league would be interested.

Bang!

 

[Fugazy]

Multi-year deals to Thornton and Marleau would be infuriating

I guess I could live with a 2 year deal for Marleau, but still wouldn't like it. I couldn't live with giving Thornton a multi-year deal.

 

[Clown Fiesta]

Fairly certain the FO is thinking we'll transition the next year or two. Probably want to stay competitive but not mortgage the future any further for "one more run". Which is why Shattenkirk doesn't make as much sense, and why I am personally not interested.

 

[DanielBrassard]

This Shattenkirk situation makes no sense. He fills the biggest need on the team (or at least, what was prior to the Stepan trade). He's the best point producing dman on the PP in the NHL. He's a right handed shot of which the team has very few on defense. He's great at 5v5. He's only 28 years old and many puck moving dmen perform perfectly fine and well for a long time. He's really good at 5v5 despite what his reputation is (since it's the standard if a guy is good on offense he can't be good at defense narrative). They have a ton of cap space. He wants to play here.

And now is when they are going to get stingy with their spending? Just give him whatever he wants to get him here and call it a day. To risk losing a guy like this over 1M per year or an extra year on the deal is just crazy. As I said before the difference between giving him 6M a year and giving him 7M a year is like having Matt Puempel as your 23rd man or just having a 22man active roster. It's really not a big deal.

None of it makes sense, especially since they seem to be interested in Thornton and Marleau. Without Shattenkirk or a trade, our D is still not going to be good enough. It's like the Staal and Girardi contracts scared them silly, while not understanding why these players and each situation is different.

 

[GregSirico]

Fairly certain the FO is thinking we'll transition the next year or two. Probably want to stay competitive but not mortgage the future any further for "one more run".

That is a very accurate capture.

 

[Savant]

I hope we don't sign Tavares next year. Can't hand out millions for years on a guy who is 28 to start the season. That's just poor management. Right?

What is your point here? Tavares is a legitimate 1C which is the hardest position to fill. By comparison that is 3 years younger than Brad Richards when he signed. Tavares has more value than anyone in the Rangers roster. How would signing him be bad management?

 

[Griffinbw]

 

[SA16]

The team that finishes in last place in the league, with the new lottery format, has a 50-55% chance of getting the 4th overall pick. Tanking is not a good strategy.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Fairly certain the FO is thinking we'll transition the next year or two. Probably want to stay competitive but not mortgage the future any further for "one more run". Which is why Shattenkirk doesn't make as much sense, and why in personally not interested.

But if we are transitioning, why did we buy out Girardi then? Just drop him in the AHL for a 4.65m cap hit and take it from there. Money isn't the issue. You buy out a player because you need the cap space. If we are not using it, the buy out makes no sense

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

None of it makes sense, especially since they seem to be interested in Thornton and Marleau. Without Shattenkirk or a trade, our D is still not going to be good enough. It's like the Staal and Girardi contracts scared them silly, while not understanding why these players and each situation is different.

Brady Skjei put up wacky numbers last year. If he keeps that up or even improves, and if the org wants McDonagh to retire as a Ranger, maybe Skjei + McDonagh + Shattenkirk is more money tied up in three defensemen long-term than they want.

 

[GregSirico]

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

And in the Scandella trade thread there are quite a few posts like "if this the market for defensemen, I'm glad GM x didn't trade player Y".

Ottawa should be all over McDonagh. They need to improve if they want to get back to the ECF and beyond while Karlsson is still in his prime/they lose him to UFA/they have to give him the largest contract of the cap era. And yet they lost their only other good defensemen to Vegas.

Imagine a McDonagh-Karlsson pairing...

The market for Sacandella would have nothing to do with the market for McDonagh. They're not the same player.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Marleau is so meh. If the Rangers waste money on him i'd laugh. P/60 over the past 3 seasons: 1.43, 1.16, 1.41. 3rd line production at best. Better off signing Pouliot.

 

[JT Kreider]

You live in a very deranged world

Maybe not the Devils, but the Islanders, Hurricanes and Flyers are going to be in the mix. Tampa too if Stamkos can stay healthy and Vasilevskiy has his breakout season. Sabres too with no Bylsma and a full season of a healthy Eichel. He is going to bust the **** out.

 

[Clown Fiesta]

But if we are transitioning, why did we buy out Girardi then? Just drop him in the AHL for a 4.65m cap hit and take it from there. Money isn't the issue. You buy out a player because you need the cap space. If we are not using it, the buy out makes no sense

Because he'd have to waive his NMC to be buried in the minors?

 

[GregSirico]

The market for Sacandella would have nothing to do with the market for McDonagh. They're not the same player.

Exactly. If we put Mac on the market, we would get a HAUL back.

 

[Savant]

Brady Skjei put up wacky numbers last year. If he keeps that up or even improves, and if the org wants McDonagh to retire as a Ranger, maybe Skjei + McDonagh + Shattenkirk is more money tied up in three defensemen long-term than they want.

Having three good dmen is a curse then?

 

[SA16]

Marleau is so meh. If the Rangers waste money on him i'd laugh. P/60 over the past 3 seasons: 1.43, 1.16, 1.41. 3rd line production at best. Better off signing Pouliot.

He's always been really really good on the PP though. Of course hard to separate that it's been with Thornton/Pavelski/Burns.

 

[Vitto79]

Dadonov and Radulov ?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Because he'd have to waive his NMC to be buried in the minors?

His NMC would have expired tomorrow

 

[bubba5]

Purge purge purge. Stay away from over priced fa's. Trade mcd, Zuc and Nash. Hank will then waive his ntc to go to a winner before he calls it quits and then everything will
Fall into place for the next 2-5 years.

 

[Griffinbw]

To everyone saying trade Zucc:
Hes 29, on a friendly contact, showing no signs of decline, is an integral part of team culture, and is one of our top players. Just stop.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

To everyone saying trade Zucc:
Hes 29, on a friendly contact, showing no signs of decline, is an integral part of team culture, and is one of our top players. Just stop.

Trade Zucc

 

[JT Kreider]

Exactly. If we put Mac on the market, we would get a HAUL back.

Alright so now is the time then.

A team that trades their best center at a position which they were weak at to begin with (and also happens to be the most important in the sport) clearly has no plans of winning a Cup. Keeping McDonagh around when he is a UFA in two years is a waste.

Give me Brown and Chabot.