Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXXV: July 1st Is Coming...

[DanielBrassard]

Game 2 McD was out with Girardi, Skjei + Smith didn't play for last 5 minutes.

Game 5 Smith was out there, but with Staal and GLASS was also on the ice BY CHOICE.

I think that narrative is completely justified.

xGF is not really a great stat to judge a playoff series by, playoff series are their own animals, too many variables and the sample size is too small.

We had a 2 goal lead with just over 3 minutes left, and McDonagh and Girardi were on the ice for both goals. I mean I don't love not playing Smith+Skjei, but you had your best D out there. Game 5 Brassard bunts a puck out of midair, it ricochets off everyone in the arena and goes in. I would definitely put more of the blame of game 5 on AV, but in reality, losing both games like that is very unlikely, and we dominated the series overall.

 

[GregSirico]

We had a 2 goal lead with just over 3 minutes left, and McDonagh and Girardi were on the ice for both goals. I mean I don't love not playing Smith+Skjei, but you had your best D out there. Game 5 Brassard bunts a puck out of midair, it ricochets off everyone in the arena and goes in. I would definitely put more of the blame of game 5 on AV, but in reality, losing both games like that is very unlikely, and we dominated the series overall.

wut ...

 

[DanielBrassard]

wut ...

Is McDonagh not our best defenseman?

Edit: It's a dumb argument anyway, series is long over. No point in talking about it.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

We had a 2 goal lead with just over 3 minutes left, and McDonagh and Girardi were on the ice for both goals. I mean I don't love not playing Smith+Skjei, but you had your best D out there. Game 5 Brassard bunts a puck out of midair, it ricochets off everyone in the arena and goes in. I would definitely put more of the blame of game 5 on AV, but in reality, losing both games like that is very unlikely, and we dominated the series overall.

Puck luck definitely played a huge role on the late game goals against.

 

[GregSirico]

Is McDonagh not our best defenseman?

Defense is not a 1 man show. Your pairing plays a significant factor. Additionally, you can argue Skjei was our best D man in the playoffs last year.

 

[silverfish]

We had a 2 goal lead with just over 3 minutes left, and McDonagh and Girardi were on the ice for both goals. I mean I don't love not playing Smith+Skjei, but you had your best D out there. Game 5 Brassard bunts a puck out of midair, it ricochets off everyone in the arena and goes in. I would definitely put more of the blame of game 5 on AV, but in reality, losing both games like that is very unlikely, and we dominated the series overall.

Hank dominated against Montreal. The team dominated against Ottawa.

This year's playoffs should've re-affirmed the belief in our core. If you make the hard decisions this off-season to rid the core of it's rotten parts (Girardi [yay] AND Staal [boo]), then the core isn't bad.

The core wasn't broken, it just had two major pieces (major pieces meaning guys who accounted for 66% of 5v5 ice time in the playoffs) rotting it from the inside out.

Losing Stepan to get younger was a major **** up. That's not what this team needed to do.

There was no need to take a step backwards this off-season, and that's all we've done so far. If you moved Stepan to sign Shattenkirk, then I get it. If you moved Stepan to add DeAngelo, then I have no idea.

And if the 'rebuild on the fly' is the plan here, then let's get Holden and Grabner and Nash and Zuccarello and Staal the **** outta here already, and commit to it

File this post in the bank as: Way too early to be this mad when we don't know what the actual plan is, because it's not even 7/1 yet

 

[DanielBrassard]

SF, we agree again on pretty much everything.


That's the thing that sucks the most, we are going to seemingly "rebuild on the fl" before ridding the team of the 2 biggest problems, 3 if you count Glass, without giving the core group of forwards and McDonagh and Hank the chance to win it all. And now we are signing Brendan Smith so we can "rebuild on the fly"? I don't like it. Pick a direction, go for it or do a true rebuild, but just pick a damn direction.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'd sign Marleau, if it meant they were dealing Nash...

 

[broadwayblue]

Hank dominated against Montreal. The team dominated against Ottawa.

This year's playoffs should've re-affirmed the belief in our core. If you make the hard decisions this off-season to rid the core of it's rotten parts (Girardi [yay] AND Staal [boo]), then the core isn't bad.

The core wasn't broken, it just had two major pieces (major pieces meaning guys who accounted for 66% of 5v5 ice time in the playoffs) rotting it from the inside out.

Losing Stepan to get younger was a major **** up. That's not what this team needed to do.

There was no need to take a step backwards this off-season, and that's all we've done so far. If you moved Stepan to sign Shattenkirk, then I get it. If you moved Stepan to add DeAngelo, then I have no idea.

And if the 'rebuild on the fly' is the plan here, then let's get Holden and Grabner and Nash and Zuccarello and Staal the **** outta here already, and commit to it

File this post in the bank as: Way too early to be this mad when we don't know what the actual plan is, because it's not even 7/1 yet

I have to disagree. The team (with the core) was given several seasons to win but came up a bit short. In fact, they regressed the last two years in the playoffs. It was time to shake things up.

 

[broadwayblue]

SF, we agree again on pretty much everything.


That's the thing that sucks the most, we are going to seemingly "rebuild on the fl" before ridding the team of the 2 biggest problems, 3 if you count Glass, without giving the core group of forwards and McDonagh and Hank the chance to win it all. And now we are signing Brendan Smith so we can "rebuild on the fly"? I don't like it. Pick a direction, go for it or do a true rebuild, but just pick a damn direction.

There will probably never be a true rebuild. We may not like it, but that's just the way it is. We will always have a few stars on the roster to help fill up the building.

 

[silverfish]

SF, we agree again on pretty much everything.


That's the thing that sucks the most, we are going to seemingly "rebuild on the fl" before ridding the team of the 2 biggest problems, 3 if you count Glass, without giving the core group of forwards and McDonagh and Hank the chance to win it all. And now we are signing Brendan Smith so we can "rebuild on the fly"? I don't like it. Pick a direction, go for it or do a true rebuild, but just pick a damn direction.

I don't mind 'rebuilding on the fly' at all, but I have a very hard time understanding how 27 year-old Stepan doesn't fit the mold of that 'rebuild'. The core needed a shakeup, and Stepan is taking the full-brunt of the blame for everything that happened on the watches of Staal, Girardi, Hank, McDonagh, and Nash.

Consider everything that's happened, and it's fairly obvious the Rangers FO wanted Stepan gone. And I have a hard time wrapping my head around that. I get that you want to trade the guy before you lose your leverage for two years of a full NTC and then two years of a limited NTC, but at a certain point in terms of the value that the market is showing you, the best move is making no move at all.

McDonagh, Stepan, Kreider, Zibanejad, Skjei. That's your "core" core. A great d-man. Two very-good centers. A great winger. An up-and-comer. You can get away without having "elite" talent if you have great depth, which we did. Not anymore. Not yet, at least.

I have to disagree. The team (with the core) was given several seasons to win but came up a bit short. In fact, they regressed the last two years in the playoffs. It was time to shake things up.

They regressed the last two years in the playoffs because Staal and Girardi fell of a cliff like a blind-person playing cliff-hanger on the price is right, and our coach did nothing but give them more ice time.

 

[TheBPA]

Hank dominated against Montreal. The team dominated against Ottawa.

This year's playoffs should've re-affirmed the belief in our core. If you make the hard decisions this off-season to rid the core of it's rotten parts (Girardi [yay] AND Staal [boo]), then the core isn't bad.

The core wasn't broken, it just had two major pieces (major pieces meaning guys who accounted for 66% of 5v5 ice time in the playoffs) rotting it from the inside out.

Losing Stepan to get younger was a major **** up. That's not what this team needed to do.

There was no need to take a step backwards this off-season, and that's all we've done so far. If you moved Stepan to sign Shattenkirk, then I get it. If you moved Stepan to add DeAngelo, then I have no idea.

And if the 'rebuild on the fly' is the plan here, then let's get Holden and Grabner and Nash and Zuccarello and Staal the **** outta here already, and commit to it

File this post in the bank as: Way too early to be this mad when we don't know what the actual plan is, because it's not even 7/1 yet

Buying out girardi isn't a step backwards.

Sign nilsson and there is almost no dropoff from raanta.

Anyways, your last paragraph sums it up - board is bored and we won't have answers until 7/1 at the earliest.

I'm certain if no signings are made in the first 5 hrs of the FA window we'll have the same "zomg we do nothing!" posts we've seen this week (not directed at you).

 

[Trxjw]

In the last seasons, Shattenkirk had 7 and 8 more points that Pietrangelo and was the leading scoring d-man on his teams. How do you defining "never actually been demonstrated"?

Since when is being a first pairing defensemen determined by the number of points you score?

 

[New York RKY]

I doubt we'd be in on Marleau. It seems to oppose everything that Gorton has been saying up until this point. Get younger and faster.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I have to disagree. The team (with the core) was given several seasons to win but came up a bit short. In fact, they regressed the last two years in the playoffs. It was time to shake things up.

They should have traded Zuccarello then.

 

[Larouche to Bears]

Radulov should be a top priority.

 

[broadwayblue]

They should have traded Zuccarello then.

Who says they won't? I love Zucc, but I think his value is at an all time high, and he has one of the best contracts in the NHL. I hope they are seeing what they can get for him.

 

[Trxjw]

I'm leaning towards the notion that these rumors about interest in Thornton and Marleau are just leaks to get the Sharks to up their offer. I don't think either guy really wants to leave.

Rebuilding doesn't happen in a day, or a week, or an off-season. It'll take time even if they do it "on the fly." Just because Nash and Zuccarello are still here, it doesn't mean they won't be moved.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

We are interested in Marleau now? Unless some,wingers are moved don't see a spot. He hasn't played center in ages.

 

[NYR Viper]

The Rangers should have quite a bit of cap space to play with. IN saying that, Alex Burmistrov is a player I would go hard after. He is already defensively responsible and appeared to have added some offense to his game in Arizona towards the end of last year with 14 points in 26 games to finish the season. Prior to that he had 2 in 23 for Winnipeg. His time in Winnipeg was a disaster from the start.

Sign him with the promise that the Rangers need a 3/4C. I would sign him for 2 years @ $1.2-$1.5m per season easily. The guy fits the age and the style this team wants to play. Add another Russian to the locker room with Buch and Bereglazov.

 

[Irishguy42]

Radulov should be a top priority.

Delete this fam

 

[bl02]

Radulov should be a top priority.

For who? It's been known that he wants long term and big money and he's what 31?32?
He was probably the Habs best forward last year all around albeit that doesn't say much.
Still wouldn't overpay for him and he's gonna want 5-6 years 5.5 million per

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

J. Moore and a 3rd for Johanson (who waives to come play with Vesey)?

Then we trade Nash (50% evaporated) to Ottawa for Daigle

Finally, bring in Bruce driver until Sanguinetti becomes a butterfly

G,I,D. Gorts!

 

[Larouche to Bears]

July 1
Radulov FA.

 

[Trxjw]

July 1
Radulov FA.

Hopefully to anywhere but the Rangers.