Shattenkirk would 100% be an upgrade on Smith.
But with him, The Rangers will end up being in the exact position that you're complaining about IMO (right on the bubble of the playoffs.)
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Shattenkirk would 100% be an upgrade on Smith.
But with him, The Rangers will end up being in the exact position that you're complaining about IMO (right on the bubble of the playoffs.)
Sure, but he's never been that guy. The numbers suggest he could fill the role, but it's never actually been demonstrated. Boils down to faith in the numbers vs 6 years and potentially $40M.
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With the current squad, I'd go with these units:
Kreider-Zibanejad-Zuccarello
Skjei-Shattenkirk
Buchnevich-Miller-Nash
McDonagh-DeAngelo
Which of the remaining forwards is a better option than McDonagh on that 2nd unit? Unless we sign a forward with skills fit for the PP, a 3-2 unit in both cases might be the best option
Just for reference, Redden signed a 6 year / 6.5 mil per contract in 2008. The cap then was 56.7 mil, meaning he took up 11.46% of cap space.
Signing Shattenkirk to the same 6 year / 6.5 mil contract with a cap of 75 means he takes up 8.66% of cap space (just for comparison's sake, equivalent to a cap hit of 4.91 mil in 2008).
I'd take him for that, think 6.5 / 6 is as high as I'd go though.
Signing Shattenkirk to the same 6 year / 6.5 mil contract with a cap of 75 means he takes up 8.66% of cap space (just for comparison's sake, equivalent to a cap hit of 4.91 mil in 2008).
I'd take him for that, think 6.5 / 6 is as high as I'd go though.
He can take a walk. anything over 6 years no way. and if hes getting 7.5 it should be 5 years.
The ideal thing would be giving him 5 years and smith 4 years.
For most of the playoffs i had not seen a better defensive effort in quite a long time than the one smith put forward at both ends of the ice. He was nasty and didn't give an inch in his own zone. He had one bad game i believe and unfortunately is was game 6 vs sens.
we are gonna sign both smith and shattenkirk...only question in my mind is how badly we will regret the move during the final 3 years of shattenkirk's deal.
Shattenkirk isn't going to lower his price because there's talk in the media about who does and doesn't want him. He's not going to freak out and beg the Rangers to sign him for cheap because of media talk.
They'll talk, they'll exchange offers, and they'll where it's at. If Shattenkirk doesn't like it he'll look at one of the other many offers that will pay him a boatload of money.
I mean, remember that teams can actually negotiate with UFA's right now. We haven't heard any leaks about discussions between Shattenkirk and the Rangers, and leaking to the press that you aren't interested is kind of pointless when you can already have direct conversations with the player.
They'll talk, they'll exchange offers, and they'll where it's at. If Shattenkirk doesn't like it he'll look at one of the other many offers that will pay him a boatload of money.
I mean, remember that teams can actually negotiate with UFA's right now. We haven't heard any leaks about discussions between Shattenkirk and the Rangers, and leaking to the press that you aren't interested is kind of pointless when you can already have direct conversations with the player.
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Did he turn down that money in Tampa because he wants to be closer to home or because it wasn't enough?
Reddens deal accounted for 11.46% of the cap that year. The same for Shattenkirk would mean that 8.5 a year is a fair amount for him.
I clearly know this is not what you meant when you say a Redden type deal.
Ehh, Skjei on PP1 there would be terrible imo. Stack PP1 then you can go 3-2 on PP2.
When you finally have a right handed PP1 QB then you need him up at the point with a righty trigger man on the left wall and a playmaker on the right wall. That's Zbad and Zuke/Buch. Then you have one guy in the slot or down low (preferrably moving around) and one net front.
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I love how 4x4.5 for Brendan Smith is someone more palatable for 6x6 for Shattenkirk. Which of those contracts is more moveable after 2 years if Shattenkirk is putting up 40 points a year and Smith is putting up 15 points a year?
Which type of defenseman is more valuable in today's NHL?
Which type of defenseman do the Rangers need more?
I mean, the answer to all these questions is Shattenkirk.
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I wouldn't mind him either on a 1 or 2 year deal. All he does is come thru in the clutch
On the other hand we are pretty set on the wings tho. Who comes out? Does Williams get a top 6 roll? I don't see who's coming out of the top 6.
That said and tho I really don't see a huge need for him or any winger to be honest, Williams does appeal to me....hmmm
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Alright... Which forward currently on the team deserves to be on the PP? And if someone says "Vesey" I am going to punch a hole in the wall. That kid needs to earn it first. He's been getting away with sucking for 65% of his NHL games.
I don't care about "earn it", 4F 1D is proven to be much more effective and Skjei isn't playing the half wall so why have him in there?
I'd have Vesey or Hayes on there over him easily.
We're likely adding atleast one good offensive player aswell somehow... Going 3-2 on both PPs would be a terrible mistake imo.
Shattenkirk, McDonagh or Skjei aren't playing the half wall, maybe DeAngelo could/would i don't know enough about him...
And we play with 1 point man, hence 3 guys for 2 spots, doesn't add up, go 4-1.
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It's all so tiresome
Noone has said they'd rather get Smith at 4x4.5 over Shattenkirk at 6x6, stop fabricating stuff.
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And who would that be? Hayes? I'd be more comfortable with 3 D on the PP than with Hayes
I feel like he's going to get vastly overpaid by some team. Likely won't be worth it for the Rangers.
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If they are really rebuilding, I am happy if they commit to it.
Maybe they use some of that cap space to take on some short term contracts other teams do not want, with added futures attached
Maybe they actually sell at a deadline even if they are in, or near playoff position, like the Blues did last year.
Imagine maybe two first round picks again next draft? Maybe some others too.
Not sure about the long term end game unless some of those picks turn out to be elite level players, but they have tried the sign and rent method, and that has not been leading to what should be the ultimate prize either.
Maybe they use some of that cap space to take on some short term contracts other teams do not want, with added futures attached
Maybe they actually sell at a deadline even if they are in, or near playoff position, like the Blues did last year.
Imagine maybe two first round picks again next draft? Maybe some others too.
Not sure about the long term end game unless some of those picks turn out to be elite level players, but they have tried the sign and rent method, and that has not been leading to what should be the ultimate prize either.
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Around 4.5m considering he is UFA, there's a need for centers and he probably wants to cash in. He won 2 Cups, so he will use that
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If this is truly a concern, then Brendan Smith is the one who should be sacrificed. He's not nearly as unique as Shattenkirk, yet he costs 2/3rds the cost, or more.
But yeah, move Staal and sacrifice Smith, if you are that concerned about tying up too much money in your D. I would like to have a D full of puck movers -- McDonagh, Skjei, Shattenkirk, and DeAngelo can all be in my top 4. Round out with Bear Gloves, Pionk, Graves.
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