Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXXV: July 1st Is Coming...

[silverfish]

Hopefully to anywhere but the Rangers.

Agreed. We do that... sometimes

 

[Larouche to Bears]

Hopefully to anywhere but the Rangers.

Because he'd be our best forward?

 

[RGY]

Would much rather Burmistrov than Yakupov imo.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Because he'd be our best forward?

Because hes going to come with an enormous price tag and plays at a position that they're already pretty deep at.

 

[JimmyG89]

We can still take steps forward at this point. Is 7/1 important for this team? Yes it is. This squad needs to just make the PO. Go from there.

Look how dominant Nashville was without a top center in the WCF and SCF. I know our defense doesn't rival Josi/Subban/Ekholm/Ellis, but we do have a better goalie and better forwards overall. I firmly believe not having Girardi to anchor him down will show how good McDonagh is. I believe he is better than anyone Nashville has.

Find a way to "lose" Marc Staal, whether that is on the 3rd pair or the pressbox. I don't see him being moved until after this next season.

Sign either Shattenkirk or Smith, but not both, unless they magically move Staal. This should be the top 4:

McDonagh-XXXX
Skjei-Smith/Shattenkirk

One of DeAngelo, Bereglazov, or Pionk could play regular minutes with McDonagh. Crunch time can result in Smith/Shattenkirk moving up to play with McDonagh and Skjei-XXXX paired together for down a goal situations. McDonagh-Skjei will get final minute of a game together for every close game.

We need a roster that can be a contender in March, not July. Too many times we have done this. Play young players. Find things out about them. The only older player I'd want is Thornton. Replace everything else with youth. 4C is Nieves or an unqualified UFA (Josefson, Grigorenko, etc). Get a decent backup like Nilsson.

Kreider-Zib-Buch
Miller-Thornton-Nash
Zuke-Hayes-Vesey
Grabner-(Nieves/UFA)-Fast
Depth F

McDonagh-Bereglazov
Skjei-Smith/Shattenkirk
Holden/Staal-DeAngelo/Pionk
Kampfer

DeAngelo/Pionk would go to the AHL if they don't crack the roster. Holden should be traded, but he is on the roster for now. Kampfer is the 7th D on this team, but could go down as well.

 

[TheTakedown]

I don't mind 'rebuilding on the fly' at all, but I have a very hard time understanding how 27 year-old Stepan doesn't fit the mold of that 'rebuild'. The core needed a shakeup, and Stepan is taking the full-brunt of the blame for everything that happened on the watches of Staal, Girardi, Hank, McDonagh, and Nash.

Consider everything that's happened, and it's fairly obvious the Rangers FO wanted Stepan gone. And I have a hard time wrapping my head around that. I get that you want to trade the guy before you lose your leverage for two years of a full NTC and then two years of a limited NTC, but at a certain point in terms of the value that the market is showing you, the best move is making no move at all.

McDonagh, Stepan, Kreider, Zibanejad, Skjei. That's your "core" core. A great d-man. Two very-good centers. A great winger. An up-and-comer. You can get away without having "elite" talent if you have great depth, which we did. Not anymore. Not yet, at least.



They regressed the last two years in the playoffs because Staal and Girardi fell of a cliff like a blind-person playing cliff-hanger on the price is right, and our coach did nothing but give them more ice time.

Contractually, Stepan was the only major older core piece that could be moved. Staal, Girardi, Hank, and Nash all have NTC's or NMC's on their contracts, which makes them difficult to move. Girardi is gone via buyout, that was basically the only caphit we could absorb this year. You wanted to talk about money-pucking the defense--it's kind of hard to do that when you have a $6.5M player who can't top 60 points taking up 9% of the salary cap, when you already have another ****** defender leftover from the prior GM's mess taking up 8% of the salary cap... There aren't many ways to find cap relief, Stepan was one of the few options we had. On top of that we got a stud D prospect out of it + the ability to sign Shattenkirk.

Next year when Nash is gone and Staal is moved at 50%, the cap situation looks even better. As much as I don't want Staal right now, keeping him for PK + 3rd pairing 5v5 duties is probably necessary. Staal knows his time is short. if there's a prospect that is ready to overtake him, the front office has shown commitments this offseason to get those guys playing time.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

The easy solution to our problems is Dave Andreychuk, but what do I know.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Thornton, Marleau, Shattenkirk, Jagr, Smith........1 more kick at the can. This time I'm super duper serial, says GMJG
On a side note whoever guesses that reference wins a prize

 

[RGY]

Thornton Boyle Shattenkirk is where I draw the line. I simple cant handle anymore than that

 

[Larouche to Bears]

Radulov will get paid what he deserves. The guy plays with passion and a mean streak which no rostered NYR does at this time.
He is hands down the best FA available on 7/1 if Habs don't pay up.
The goal every year as a NYR is to win the Stanley Cup. Adding Radulov will help achieve that goal.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Thornton, Marleau, Shattenkirk, Jagr, Smith........1 more kick at the can. This time I'm super duper serial, says GMJG
On a side note whoever guesses that reference wins a prize

Manbearpig would look mad a *****...

 

[NYR Viper]

I wonder if the smarter move is not to just sit and wait for other teams to go through UFA and pick off guys from teams who are either very close to, or above the cap.

Kruger is one example.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Be smart, Gorts, sign Quintal for 350K, trade for Pivonka y lo llame in dia.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

I wonder if the smarter move is not to just sit and wait for other teams to go through UFA and pick off guys from teams who are either very close to, or above the cap.

Kruger is one example.

Or Travis Green

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Tavares makes us a contender with Anthony DeAngelo as our #1 RHD?

Have fun with that one.

We already have a 1D. Thats McDonagh. You don't need two 1D's.

If we can find 2, 3 and 4 defensemen within the Skjei, Graves, DeAngelo, Bereglazov, Pionk contingent within the next year or two, we should have a decent enough defense.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

We can also go hard on Iafrate...

 

[Levitate]

Be smart, Gorts, sign Quintal for 350K, trade for Pivonka y lo llame in dia.

Good move to get the DOPS on your side

 

[Off Sides]

In all the playoffs over all the recent years, the skaters never scored enough, and Lundqvist had to bail them out all the time, Neither the Offense or the Defense was ever good enough to beat the best of the best.

That was not all Girardi's fault. Not even all his and Staals fault. Nash, Stepan, really none of the forwards ever had any special playoff runs other than perhaps Brassard. The D core, McD was pretty good in a run here and there, not so great in others. The rest of the D? I mean over all the years.

Now that their lone special consistent playoff performer, Lundqvist is showing some signs of maybe not being his former self, really to me this is a good time to try to jump start the next generation.

I just am not so sure about their long term end game, without players who can be special in several payoffs runs, usually those who are already considered elite, or can be for a whole run, I'm not sure where that leaves them even if this is really a rebuild of sorts.

Can they draft and develop elite players without going full tank? I'd like to think so but I also do not think that is the easiest road and it may very well just lead to them being back to where they are now. With good skaters, maybe even good depth, but without much that fits into the elite category.

 

[Leetch3]

unless you are packaging guys in a trade for a center, the last thing we need is another winger

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Radulov should be a top priority.

Oh sorry, when did Radulov become a center and lower his ridiculous asking price?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Shattenkirk rumor isn't even worth discussing. Its made it, due to him growing up around here. Isn't gotta happen.

What angers me is that we might sign Smith. He's one of the most overrated players that I think has played for the Rangers recently. He's like a 4D, yet we are gonna pay this guy as a 2/3D.

People love him because of his advanced stats, but this is a player who at points last season was a healthy scratch for the worst defense in the league, Detroit. Detroit didn't feel the need to re-sign him, and look how bad their defense is. He's not great offensively, not great defensively, not the type of player you want to give a long-term deal. I don't even want him on the team. I am confident our younger defensemen will be just as good or better. Smith will just be taking their ice time.

 

[NYR Viper]

Okay here goes a scenario:

Trades:
To Nashville
Nash @ $5m cap hit

To NYR:
Calle Jarnkrok


To Calgary:
Nick Holden

To NYR:
CAL 3rd '18 + CAL 3rd '19


Signings:
Brendan Smith - 5 years @ $4.25m
Alex Burmistrov - 2 years @ $1.3m
Patrick Sharp - 1 year @ $2.5m
Kevin Shattenkirk - 6 years @ $6.5m
Patrick Wiercioch - 1 year @ $.9m
Anders Nilsson - 2 years @ $1.25m


Line-up:

Kreider-Zib-Buch
Miller-Hayes-MZA
Sharp-Jarnkrok-Vesey
Fast-Burmistrov-Grabner
Puempel

McDonagh-Shattenkirk
Skjei-Smith
Staal-Bereglazov
Wiercioch

Hank
Nilsson

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Shattenkirk rumor isn't even worth discussing. Its made it, due to him growing up around here. Isn't gotta happen.

What angers me is that we might sign Smith. He's one of the most overrated players that I think has played for the Rangers recently. He's like a 4D, yet we are gonna pay this guy as a 2/3D.

People love him because of his advanced stats, but this is a player who at points last season was a healthy scratch for the worst defense in the league, Detroit. Detroit didn't feel the need to re-sign him, and look how bad their defense is. He's not great offensively, not great defensively, not the type of player you want to give a long-term deal. I don't even want him on the team. I am confident our younger defensemen will be just as good or better. Smith will just be taking their ice time.

Not to mention he's another LHD (don't care if he plays the right, not the same), and he's at best their 3rd best one behind Mcdonagh and Skjei.. insane. get the actual RHD who can make an impact, geezus.

 

[Avery16]

Get ready for a 3rd line of Marleau/Thornton/Nash. Neil Smith, eat your heart out.

 

[cheech70]

Shattenkirk rumor isn't even worth discussing. Its made it, due to him growing up around here. Isn't gotta happen.

What angers me is that we might sign Smith. He's one of the most overrated players that I think has played for the Rangers recently. He's like a 4D, yet we are gonna pay this guy as a 2/3D.

People love him because of his advanced stats, but this is a player who at points last season was a healthy scratch for the worst defense in the league, Detroit. Detroit didn't feel the need to re-sign him, and look how bad their defense is. He's not great offensively, not great defensively, not the type of player you want to give a long-term deal. I don't even want him on the team. I am confident our younger defensemen will be just as good or better. Smith will just be taking their ice time.

He was pretty good in the playoffs...absolutely no bs ntc or nmc