Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXXV: July 1st Is Coming...
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Would Hayes, Graves and a 1st be enough for a player like Duchene? Could trade Nash to mitigate that loss and get back a 1st/prospect. Sign Dadonov. Being optimistic that Andersson impresses and makes the team.
Kreider Zibanejad Buchnevich
Dadonov Duchene Zuccarello
Vesey Andersson Miller
Grabner UFA/Nieves Fast
McDonagh Smith/Shattenkirk
Skjei DeAngelo
Staal Bereglazov
Having another RH shot would be nice on D. Don't know if Shattenkirk is worth the price...
Kreider Zibanejad Buchnevich
Dadonov Duchene Zuccarello
Vesey Andersson Miller
Grabner UFA/Nieves Fast
McDonagh Smith/Shattenkirk
Skjei DeAngelo
Staal Bereglazov
Having another RH shot would be nice on D. Don't know if Shattenkirk is worth the price...
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I think the move to make is McDonagh to Florida for Trocheck. They have an obvious need for 1LHD and some players to work with. They probably will need an additional offensive piece or two, but the Rangers can take back futures or RHD from them to get it done.
Trocheck is 23 and under contract until Summer 2022 at a very reasonable cost. There is your Stepan replacement that fits the retool.
Maybe something like McDonagh, Nash & Fast for Trocheck, Pysyk and 2018 1st.
Seems like good ROI to me.
I don't think it would be enough, considering I don't expect the Rangers first round pick next year to fall in the top 15.
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NYR will need Staal around to log first pairing PK minutes, especially if they plan on dressing Skjei, Bereglazov, and DeAngelo on a game to game basis.
Skjei played very little on the PK last year, and while we might expect that to change, I think Staal and McDonagh will still be expected to do most of the heavy lifting on the kill, with Smith (If he stays) or Holden (If Smith leaves) handling the off-side.
AV said the defense was a work in progress. I expect NYR with 7, maybe 8 options to rotate at the beginning of the season.
Skjei played very little on the PK last year, and while we might expect that to change, I think Staal and McDonagh will still be expected to do most of the heavy lifting on the kill, with Smith (If he stays) or Holden (If Smith leaves) handling the off-side.
AV said the defense was a work in progress. I expect NYR with 7, maybe 8 options to rotate at the beginning of the season.
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You can't give every roster spot to a 22-year old. You need experienced players. Look at Hartford
Totally. But comparing him to other GOOD teams 3rd pairing D men, hes not too bad.
Orpik
Hainsey
Forsling
The list goes on
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
A dozen yrs ago, 40/ish JThorn was 1C.
Now, not so much.
Do not want to invest in player, esp wheels that old, for even 1 yr, let alone 2.
We can do both better/younger.
Let us learn from the past.
As usual, we agree to disagree.
Would be a great roster. PERIOD.
Room for improvement, sure, but still lots of good players.
Colorado SHOULD; whether or not they would is another ?. They prob try to lose my demands for a 1st and 2nd over nxt 2 drafts, we say no, and they prob agree to the deal.
We SHOULD, but ONLY if you believe in the synergy of Kreider-MacK to more than offset Sid-Geno.
So you don't think so. Fine
I certainly make mistakes. BUT
I was right about Stepan, Skjei, Kreider, Miller
and will be proven right about Hayes
I stand by on my record of good judgment which you will criticize all you want. In the end, however, as was the case w/Stepan, I expect to be usually correct.
They ARE, in addition to human beings, tradeable assets.
They ARE like a currency in that different attributes of players makes for not all players being swapped interchangeably, as if equal, not different.
I was willing to swap Stepan; I am more reluctant to use JT Miller in a deal.
I have explained this to you, but you continue to be contrarian despite the fact that the bold can not be denied.
Hopefully you will comprehend what I am saying this time, and I will not have to repeat myself, cause either you honestly do not grasp it, or ....
AA may/may not appreciate/depreciate w/in 2-r yrs, too many unknown variables to forecast, let alone predict w/high certainty.
That said, he
1. would be an immediate stop gap that fits w/young core
2. is someone we are not married to and can flip in 1-2 yrs if nec.
I anticipate good things from Gropp to start, which MAY turn into big things.
Let's say for the record I am bullish on him, you are not, and give it a bit to see who is right over time.
ps - I like my odds on that one.
I think where the OP there was coming from, but was not clearly stated, is that the whole thick legs description means he gets speed a la Marty St. Louis type, as opposed to Niedermayer smooth, fluid, long stride guy.
My take on what was meant, but I could be wrong.
Shatty is not Larkin/Kreider fast but has good skating speed, seems to me.
You only have a record of good judgment in your eyes because you fail to acknowledge when you were wrong. Two big whiffs off the top of my head were Hertl and Siemens. You wanted to give up half our team for Hertl and he isn't even a second liner.
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=75336937&postcount=575
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=74721045&postcount=926
I think those are two of my favorites (of hundreds to pull from). Unfortunately, I think some of the Hertl proposals were lost when the site purged most of the threads prior to 2013.
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Its more about AV not knowing it.
As long as he's on the roster, the HC will treat him like a top 4 D-man. That's the problem.
Not too bad? He's like a combination of the worst traits of all 3 of those guys.
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I think my favorite was when he tried to take credit for the Rangers not trading away Kreider so far, as if his posts are reviewed by Rangers management and acted upon.
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Irishguy42
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So, we know Brooks has said many times that the Rangers won't be signing Shattenkirk.
McKenzie is saying that the Rangers might not be so eager to do it.
And now, even thouvh he doesn't work for the team anymore, Cerny is saying he doesn't think the Rangers will do it. I imagine he still has some friends on the inside who might feed him some info.
Gotta wonder if they just sign Smith and then go...
McDonagh-Smith
Skjei-DeAngelo
Staal-Bereglazov
Pionk
That is a solid blueline.
McKenzie is saying that the Rangers might not be so eager to do it.
And now, even thouvh he doesn't work for the team anymore, Cerny is saying he doesn't think the Rangers will do it. I imagine he still has some friends on the inside who might feed him some info.
Gotta wonder if they just sign Smith and then go...
McDonagh-Smith
Skjei-DeAngelo
Staal-Bereglazov
Pionk
That is a solid blueline.
Ghost of jas
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"Gorton agrees with me"
Well, it's not as bad as "I went over the [insert teamname] board, proposed this and 1 of their fans accepted so it's a good offer"
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Dr. Ogrodnick
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Given how tight-lipped the Rangers have become under Gorton, speculation from these guys is meaningless. Rangers have tried to trade for shattenkirk multiple times; now that he's UFA, rangers have a definite need at his position and a ton of cap room, we are supposed to believe they aren't interested?
rangers1314
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They will be interested, of course. It thinks its more about their level of interest. They aren't going to break the bank for him. If he wants to play here, he'll have to take less money than whats being offered elsewhere. I wouldn't doubt the rangers approaching him with an offer of 5/6 years at 6M AAV.
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I do not see them being on Shattenkirk especially if they sign Smith. I would love to get him but there is no place for him, unless they move other D. McDonagh and Skjei are building blocks of Rangers defense, add Smith if he is signed, I doubt they will be able to move Staal and I very much doubt he will be HS. And I guess Bereglazov and deAngelo were brought to be everyday players.
Hire Sather
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Also claimed he was right about Stepan, not sure if he meant he called the actual proposal or what.
Of course when you propose hundreds of trades involving the player that losses a little of it's luster.
Of course when you propose hundreds of trades involving the player that losses a little of it's luster.
Ghost of jas
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According to Brooks, the Rangers have never had interest in Shattenkirk, except for when they tried to trade for him last summer and at the trade deadline.
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Denis Bernstein of the 4th Period says he believes that if a return to SJ isn't in the cards, the NYR are high on Thorntons list.
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