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UAGoalieGuy said:
I haven't heard about Larkin being available, or most of those players listed earlier.

As most have said MacKinnon would be my choice but the Rangers won't be able to pony up what it would take to get him, unless your moving McD but again that's robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Would make little sense to sign Shattenkirk at that point. Also would make sense to move Nash and Zucc then too.
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People also need to realize what the avs will want. Duchene is still there because Sakic, while delusional, is asking for high picks and young impact players. MacKinnon will be the same but more if he is even really available. I'm not trading Skjei, buch, 2018 1st, and a top prospect or 2. It's probably not enough and I'm sorry, but I don't want to be the avs in a few years.

It's funny, those videos and the talk of his skill level remind me of Nash in Columbus. Awesome highlights, on a bad team, but I was always surprised how his points were low. Always excuses to explain it. Sometimes all the skill in the world doesn't translate into points and certainly not wins. I get that Nash was older when he came here but it's still cautionary for me.
 
DutchShamrock said:
People also need to realize what the avs will want. Duchene is still there because Sakic, while delusional, is asking for high picks and young impact players. MacKinnon will be the same but more if he is even really available. I'm not trading Skjei, buch, 2018 1st, and a top prospect or 2. It's probably not enough and I'm sorry, but I don't want to be the avs in a few years.

It's funny, those videos and the talk of his skill level remind me of Nash in Columbus. Awesome highlights, on a bad team, but I was always surprised how his points were low. Always excuses to explain it. Sometimes all the skill in the world doesn't translate into points and certainly not wins. I get that Nash was older when he came here but it's still cautionary for me.
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Points were low? Compared to whom, a Crosby? .81ppg throughout his time in Columbus. Definitely above average.

MacKinnon's at .68
 
We need Smith and Shattenkirk larry brooks is nuts if he thinks we're going full rebuild with hank mcdonagh Zucc and Nash still here

Mcdonagh Shattenkirk (two guys that can play for years because of their skating ability)

Skjei Smith

Staal DeAngelo

Makes us infinitely better than we were last year.

I'm getting the sense this Andersson kid is penciled in to play center too. Although Nieves will be in the mix as well. I don't think we sign a 4c

The real question will be center ice and do we spend some money on bonino hanzel or do we know something about thorntons situation? I think he's the ideal stop gap short term pick up to play with Nash and Zucc
 
Sakic is asking so much for Duchene that he's thinking about keeping him. I can't imagine what he'd want for MacKinnon who is younger and has a higher ceiling.
 
Clown Fiesta said:
Points were low? Compared to whom, a Crosby? .81ppg throughout his time in Columbus. Definitely above average.

MacKinnon's at .68
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Low compared to expectations. He had a great 4 year run, nothing to scoff at, where he was between 60 and 80 pts. His other 6 years were under 60.

I'm not suggesting he was a disappointment. The point was the skill, like MacKinnon that is supposedly world class, doesn't translate to world class results or team succes.
 
So sign Smith today or what ? No 2nd and 3rd because of that deal

Need a RD to go w Deangelo
LD set w McD, Skjei and doubt they can move Staal.

If they can keep Holden and if not do another deal for a Rd?
 
RNH. The Rangers were linked to him last offseason. He's proven he can be more than he is currently. 24 years old. 4 years left on his deal. He won't be expensive as he's coming off a down year with 41 points where he was used in more of a shut down role. Edmonton is going to need cap space for McDavid next offseason. If they wait until then teams will bend them over.
 
Vitto79 said:
So sign Smith today or what ? No 2nd and 3rd because of that deal

Need a RD to go w Deangelo
LD set w McD, Skjei and doubt they can move Staal.

If they can keep Holden and if not do another deal for a Rd?
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I would like to see Holden moved for a mid round pick today. Sign Shattenkirk and Smith. D would be much better then last season.
 
NYR Viper said:
RNH. The Rangers were linked to him last offseason. He's proven he can be more than he is currently. 24 years old. 4 years left on his deal. He won't be expensive as he's coming off a down year with 41 points where he was used in more of a shut down role. Edmonton is going to need cap space for McDavid next offseason. If they wait until then teams will bend them over.
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What is the cost though? 2nd round pick next year +?
 
DutchShamrock said:
Low compared to expectations. He had a great 4 year run, nothing to scoff at, where he was between 60 and 80 pts. His other 6 years were under 60.

I'm not suggesting he was a disappointment. The point was the skill, like MacKinnon that is supposedly world class, doesn't translate to world class results or team succes.
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Nash has done better as a two way player IMO, he was billed as an offensive dynamo and paid like one too, can't fault him for that really. Hindsight and all, I would never want Nash as my go to guy for offense. I said that when we got him, he was supposed to be a 2nd line two way complimentary threat with Richards and Gaborik supplying the real threat.

With MacKinnon I see a guy who could probably handle being "the guy" but might flounder too. I think you're right to question that.

As far as this team goes, we're in a bad spot. Not committing to an actual rebuild is the wrong move IMO. Our window is all but closed. I don't think you commit to Shattenkirk and then "rebuild", frankly I wouldn't commit to him even if we weren't rebuilding.

I'm worried we'll sign Thornton and try make a run next year when in reality if we go full rebuild we'd be competitive in 3-4 years. Bandaid fixes aren't going to be a fun experience for us fans.
 
RGY said:
This this this
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Also frees up another $1.5MM or something like that in cap space.

If they think Anderson needs another year in the SHL sign Thorton for a 1 year deal and Boyle. When he's healthy go with:

Kreider - Zbad - Buch
Miller - Hayes - Zucc
Vesey - Thornton - Nash
Grabner - Boyle - Fast

Depth is there PP should improve with DeAngelo and Shattenkirk. PK will still be an asset with Boyle, Grabner and Fast.

No Girardi and one could hope Staal truly playing third pairing minutes.

And still have a ton of cap space for next off-season to resign the RFAs and may be take a run at Tavares if he hits UFA, which I believe they will take a major run at him if he does.
 
UAGoalieGuy said:
Also frees up another $1.5MM or something like that in cap space.

If they think Anderson needs another year in the SHL sign Thorton for a 1 year deal and Boyle. When he's healthy go with:

Kreider - Zbad - Buch
Miller - Hayes - Zucc
Vesey - Thornton - Nash
Grabner - Boyle - Fast

Depth is there PP should improve with DeAngelo and Shattenkirk. PK will still be an asset with Boyle, Grabner and Fast.

No Girardi and one could hope Staal truly playing third pairing minutes.

And still have a ton of cap space for next off-season to resign the RFAs and may be take a run at Tavares if he hits UFA, which I believe they will take a major run at him if he does.
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I agree with all of this. Can Andersson play in the minors when Thornton returns? Is that a bad idea?

It would be great to have him as the 1st call up.

And I would love for the D to have Smith and Shattenkirk added to DeAngelo and McDonagh.

The other thing is i dont see the Rangers fully rebuilding but rebuilding on the fly. They need leadership to replace Stepan and Girardi. Thornton and Boyle are the perfect choices.
 
RGY said:
I agree with all of this. Can Andersson play in the minors when Thornton returns? Is that a bad idea?

It would be great to have him as the 1st call up.

And I would love for the D to have Smith and Shattenkirk added to DeAngelo and McDonagh.

The other thing is i dont see the Rangers fully rebuilding but rebuilding on the fly. They need leadership to replace Stepan and Girardi. Thornton and Boyle are the perfect choices.
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He can play in the AHL but I think he may be better served playing one more year in a top line role in the SHL. Although they play on the bigger rinks so it may be better for him to play on NHL sides rinks.

I'd also want him to play in the WJC.
 
Id stay as far away as possible from a 37 year old Joe Thornton coming off ACL surgery. Not sure where all the love for him comes from, most likely not leaving SJ either
 
We probably have to target teams weak at wing. I'm not the best with prospects so I could be missing guys in the pipeline that can help. Minnesota and Florida have holes there. Panthers are weak at center. The wild have the option to put Grandlund back to center, but what are the chances they deal their captain? 1 year stop gap for us, they might need cap relief. If they swing scandella for Galchenyuk maybe a deal is there. Chucky needs a new contract.
 
NYR Viper said:
RNH. The Rangers were linked to him last offseason. He's proven he can be more than he is currently. 24 years old. 4 years left on his deal. He won't be expensive as he's coming off a down year with 41 points where he was used in more of a shut down role. Edmonton is going to need cap space for McDavid next offseason. If they wait until then teams will bend them over.
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Again, why would we trade Stepan only to acquire a worse, just as expensive version of him?
 
Clown Fiesta said:
With MacKinnon I see a guy who could probably handle being "the guy" but might flounder too. I think you're right to question that.


I'm worried we'll sign Thornton and try make a run next year when in reality if we go full rebuild we'd be competitive in 3-4 years. Bandaid fixes aren't going to be a fun experience for us fans.
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I just wouldn't go all in on MacKinnon if there are question marks. Too risky.

Thornton doesn't concern me. He isn't the make or break guy anymore. If we stink, we'll stink with him. If our guys step up and deliver, he will be the guy protecting Hayes and sheltering him from tougher assignments. Nothing more than 1 year.

Thornton's game isn't based on speed, not worried about the injury. And as was brought up after the commented post, yes, big assumption he leaves.
 
We need to continue to purge. Hank will have no choice but lift his no move clause to hopefully go to a winner before he retires. We need multiple low first round picks the next 2 to 3 years for this to
Be done right. Stay away from
Shatty. Stockpile more picks. That's the way to go.
 
UAGoalieGuy said:
I would like to see Holden moved for a mid round pick today. Sign Shattenkirk and Smith. D would be much better then last season.
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I mean going into the season with a D of McDonagh/Shattenkirk, Skjei/Smith, Staal/DeAngelo (I guess) is certainly better than what they started with last year
 
UAGoalieGuy said:
Also frees up another $1.5MM or something like that in cap space.

If they think Anderson needs another year in the SHL sign Thorton for a 1 year deal and Boyle. When he's healthy go with:

Kreider - Zbad - Buch
Miller - Hayes - Zucc
Vesey - Thornton - Nash
Grabner - Boyle - Fast

Depth is there PP should improve with DeAngelo and Shattenkirk. PK will still be an asset with Boyle, Grabner and Fast.

No Girardi and one could hope Staal truly playing third pairing minutes.

And still have a ton of cap space for next off-season to resign the RFAs and may be take a run at Tavares if he hits UFA, which I believe they will take a major run at him if he does.
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I agree with this too upfront . Thing is the ufa list stinks so bad if they don't get Boyle and Thornton it's slim pickings at C

Starting to think no Shatty w Deangelo
 
n8 said:
MacKinnnon would be the dream center to acquire. I can't see Seguin ever being available. He'd also be great. Also sick of forever having a team made up of 1B and 2nd line centers :(
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Not true.

They could move him before having to pay him boukoo bucks on the next deal.

It's not like they sniffed the second round with him after 4 years.

DAL is in a panic situation... look at their roster... that's a lottery team next year.

They don't draft or sign well.
 
bubba5 said:
We need to continue to purge. Hank will have no choice but lift his no move clause to hopefully go to a winner before he retires. We need multiple low first round picks the next 2 to 3 years for this to
Be done right. Stay away from
Shatty. Stockpile more picks. That's the way to go.
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They aren't purging though.
 
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