Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXXIII:Stepping up next? A Top Ten pick???

[NYR Viper]

This is what i was going to say, though I believe he was looking for $7MM on a multi-year deal.

Bidding will likely be high on him with the week UFA class.

Radulov was rumored to want 6 years.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Regarding the Stepan deal, I think we're all focusing too much on the 7OA and not thinking about how much they valued Deangelo. The kid has absolutely unreal speed and skill from the backend and can be a force out there. Gorton said they wanted a young defenseman, and he got one.

Lias Andersson is a damn good pick, and I'm saying that with the hopes we took Middlestadt. Kid is stocky, can skate, and has unreal hockey IQ. We're overlooking that with both Andersson and Chytil. They're both fast, skilled, and incredibly intelligent. You need smart players that can think the game. It's what allows players to just go out there and play instinctively and is why some of the best are the way they are, on top of their skill. I'm interested to see where Gorton takes this team this summer because I think he's just getting started.

Regarding RNH, dude is soft as butter and is worse than Stepan. Nash holds more value if we either retain 50% or wait until the deadline. Getting RNH doesn't move the needle forward for us. Now regarding Shattenkirk, while it looks like that's what Gorton wants to do, I'm still wary about giving him a 7 year deal. I think he's really damn good, but I'm worried about such a big investment in him, and then paying McDonagh, Skjei, Hayes, Miller, Vesey all down the road. We need to be smart and calculated. Keep building for the future.

 

[NYR Viper]

How old was Brassard when he came over? RNH

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Radulov was rumored to want 6 years.

Yeah that wouldn't be good. He'll be 31 when the contract starts. No thank you.

 

[NickyFotiu]

For now we are down 3 nhl players from last season. Now is time for Gorton to bring some back via trade or FA. Hopefully he can make some great moves soon.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

How old was Brassard when he came over? RNH

What was Brassard's cap hit when he came over? Gorton just said a big reason we moved Stepan was for the cap flexibility, so, again, why are we trading for a worse version who makes just as much?

 

[NYR Viper]

What was Brassard's cap hit when he came over? Gorton just said a big reason we moved Stepan was for the cap flexibility, so, again, why are we trading for a worse version who makes just as much?

It's about projection and maximizing assets. RNH doesn't have nearly the miles on his body either. And Edmonton is looking to shed cap.

 

[Do you want ants]

Pretty comical that the people who wanted to trade Stepan BC he was "old" and had a 2 year NTC (until 29), want to sign Thornton and Boyle as 2 year stop gaps (same as Stepan full NTC).

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Pretty comical that the people who wanted to trade Stepan BC he was "old" and had a 2 year NTC (until 29), want to sign Thornton and Boyle as 2 year stop gaps (same as Stepan full NTC).

The NTC is for the full 4 years but the last 2 are limited (submits list of 15 teams).

 

[DutchShamrock]

Pretty comical that the people who wanted to trade Stepan BC he was "old" and had a 2 year NTC (until 29), want to sign Thornton and Boyle as 2 year stop gaps (same as Stepan full NTC).

1 year stop gap and that's because not much is available. We couldn't wait a year because of the nmc. Maybe nothing becomes available and Tavares stays put. It's a gamble. The goal was always change the core.

 

[JayMan82]

What was Brassard's cap hit when he came over? Gorton just said a big reason we moved Stepan was for the cap flexibility, so, again, why are we trading for a worse version who makes just as much?

The NMC kicking in, also where is game was trending. I feel like both Brass/Step trades had optimal timing. Imagine trading Brassard with the regular season he had this year?

 

[Do you want ants]

The NTC is for the full 4 years but the last 2 are limited (submits list of 15 teams).

I'm aware of that. I mentioned 2 years BC those 2 seasons we couldn't trade him without his blessing.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I'm aware of that. I mentioned 2 years BC those 2 seasons we couldn't trade him without his blessing.

Still extremely limited for the last 2 years. I would guarantee you every team in the Metro would be on the list he would accept a trade to. Now your limited to 8 teams.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Rumors of Hamonic potentially going to Flames or Leafs. Snow still asking too much.

 

[bernmeister]

Trade McDonagh for Mackinnon and call it a day

roll with Mackinnon, Zib, Hayes
hope new top 4 can get it done
Draft d next year or package one of miller/kreider/hayes for dman (way easier to get LD the RD)
don't rush Andersson

Skjei-Shatty
Smith-DeAngelo
Staal-Berg
Holden

or try and trade staal to FLA for Bjugstad hoping he can turn it around

don't see Marc waiving, but that would be the winner.
Bjug gets min responsibility 4C for 1 yr before we likely dump him

Of all the UFAs Bonino's game is best suited for the Rangers; speed, faceoffs, PKer, playoff performer, winner. If Nash isn't dealt, can you imaging a shutdown 3rd line of Grabner/Bonino/Nash? He's also 29 so if they give him 4 years, he wont be ancient.

If Nash is being dealt however, 50% retained for Marcus Kruger, 2nd, and Ottawa's 3rd. Kruger is a UFA in two years.

Bonino for UFA $ only must be seriously considered, but not more than 1-2 yrs. Rather slightly overpay for most guys we don't lock up in the younger core, w/overpay allowing us to go shorter term and max roster flexibility.

Shattenkirk costs nothing but money which we have plenty of. Guy put up 50 pts last year. 50! And he's not redden. Kid can skate all day long. Guys like him and mcdonagh can play till they are 35 with the legs they have.

Righty offensive dmen that can skate don't grow on trees. He needs to be signed.

And so does smith for that matter. Very impressive playoff. Just a glue guy that takes over Girardis pk mins.

Klein leaving not concerned.
Can the Rangers trade Holden or Staal today?
Bereglazov prob not here to play in the AHL.

Shatty overpay 1 yr only like 7.25 see how it goes
No max multiyear for guys who can be gone in mid 30s, esp whose principal game is based on wheels.

I wonder if Ilya Kovalchuk now becomes a Ranger on a 2-3 year contract...and Nash goes today.

What's Kovalchuk looking for and what are they Devils asking price?

Do not want Kovy. next.

Gotta be honest, my friends. I wake up this morning and I'm still not happy.

Thought we should've got more for Stepan, and am underwhelmed by our pick at #7. Not that I necessarily think GMJG screwed up - I think events broke poorly for us. The moves were directionally right, but due to the ticking clock on Stepan's NTC and the fact that no one in front of us went off the board one iota, we went from having (IMO a reasonable) expectation of Dvorak/Strome + Pettersson/Glass + Hickey to DeAngelo + Andersson. Big step down in value and not nearly the boost to our rebuild on the fly that I was hoping for. Which is not to say I don't like who we picked up (well, off ice issues aside for DeAngelo), just that they won't be as impactful as I had hoped. I fear we're looking at mediocrity, and maybe we should think about more wholesale changes in the immediate future.

We would have been insulated from the developments you describe [accurate IMO other than Dvorak/Strome was unreasonable expectation of what Stepan would command] had people listened to me and not the win now crowd and we dealt Stepan earlier. Earlier, he had same production but cost less, so his value was more, and argument he had not yet plateaued was slightly more credible, contributing to selling price. Thank God he was finally moved and not retained any longer where he would dictate to us under a new restrictive clause. Ef that!

Obviously we would have scored huge if we got one of those first 6 guys.
I thought we were going for Liftgren sp?, but factoring in all risk, Gordo thought this was best overall strategy.
Have to trust that at this pt
I do see that while his ceiling seems lower, Andersson will get here faster and show solid value. Maybe not as dazzling as JT Miller, but he will be a productive asset we can use, and as his value increases, sell at a profit.

We have lots of work to do, still, but I would not worry just yet.
Future is brighter than darker.
If we do not make stupid decisions going forward.
build
build
dominate
cup
LGR

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

It wouldn't be terrible to have Hayes learn from Thornton for a year. But it has to be a 1 year deal.

 

[Do you want ants]

Rumors of Hamonic potentially going to Flames or Leafs. Snow still asking too much.

From the leafs they were saying JVR with extension and 1st.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If Hamonic is worth 2 1st round picks (which is what Snow wants for him) what is McDonagh worth? 5?

 

[GAGLine]

It wouldn't be terrible to have Hayes learn from Thornton for a year. But it has to be a 1 year deal.

If Thorton was willing to sign for 1 year, he would already be signed by SJ.

 

[Trxjw]

1 year stop gap and that's because not much is available. We couldn't wait a year because of the nmc. Maybe nothing becomes available and Tavares stays put. It's a gamble. The goal was always change the core.

But what is he a stop gap for? That's the question. Unless Zibanejad takes a huge step forward, there's no #1C waiting in the wings for this team right now.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

If Hamonic is worth 2 1st round picks (which is what Snow wants for him) what is McDonagh worth? 5?

****ing 17

Hamonic is not very good, if the Isles get 2 first rounders for him it will be insane robbery, especially after Hjalmarsson went for so little.

 

[bernmeister]

It's about projection and maximizing assets. RNH doesn't have nearly the miles on his body either. And Edmonton is looking to shed cap.

and we should bail them out?
while there is a chance they might not have enough cap down the road, for Draisatil, or if they succeed there, then they have to really squeeze rest of their roster?
why?
I want staal to edm if I consider RNH, and Marc is not going there.

Pretty comical that the people who wanted to trade Stepan BC he was "old" and had a 2 year NTC (until 29), want to sign Thornton and Boyle as 2 year stop gaps (same as Stepan full NTC).

It is not comical.
Stepan should have been moved before while his value was higher, and was on his way out now.

There was 0 chance we would keep him.
so not the same, to have legit stopgaps vs keeping a guy we could not and would not keep, and whom, as I have repeatedly said, apparently correctly, was worth more to us in return than production from keeping

Of course, Thornton is NOT a viable stopgap.
BB have always liked but 1 yr only pls
Bonino similar short, short term
Do not want to inhibit chance for Nieves/other youth acquired down the road to not have chance to succeed

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I mean if you look at the Larsson/Hall trade last year, top end D are very highly valued. McD could get a kings ransom if they wanted to move him.

 

[bernmeister]

The problem was Stepan and the drop off in his play. We dodged the Callahan bullet and now we dodged the Stepan bullet. In this era, we absolutely cannot get stuck with NMC/NTC declining assets.

Outside of the top 3, everything else is a gamble so I don't mind a safe pick and a stretch like what happened in this first round.

PREACH THIS WITH A STICKY!

Would rather sign Radulov for 2 x 6. He looked good in season and playoffs and wouldn't cost anything. We save another 1.8 mil on swap.

This is what i was going to say, though I believe he was looking for $7MM on a multi-year deal.
Bidding will likely be high on him with the week UFA class.

pass on Rad-meister, esp if he is long term
also this guy, too much risk he turns off his motor, not motivated.
Hell no.

 

[Kovalev27]

I want nothing to do with radulov or kovalchuk