Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXXI: Trade Everyone For Everything

[Trxjw]

No, its not.

This team needs big changes. It'll continue to be mediocre, otherwise.

They can still make big changes even if it doesn't start tonight. The youth movement supposedly sputtered out last year on draft day as well, then they dealt Brassard weeks later.

 

[eco's bones]

We will sit back and do nothing as other teams in the Metro continue to get even stronger. Cool.

Seems like I read this kind of comment every year around this time.

 

[NYR Viper]

So you'd rather we make a deal, even if it's a bad deal, because other teams are doing stuff?

I don't think he was saying that but for a team pretty clearly on the back-side of their window one would think management would be aggressive enough to find a deal for someone. Nash. Zuccarello. Stepan. Kreider. Staal. Holden. Raanta. None of these guys are going to move?

 

[Gardner McKay]

No, its not.

This team needs big changes. It'll continue to be mediocre, otherwise.

That's my guess as well.

We will sit back and do nothing as other teams in the Metro continue to get even stronger. Cool.

Too many high risks. Apparently getting younger is doing nothing but using your draft picks

We aren't going to make any trades.

Did I just get warped back to 2016? Same exact things being said because there wasn't a slew of trades. Then what happened? We got Zibanejad. Patience people, patience.

So you'd rather we make a deal, even if it's a bad deal, because other teams are doing stuff?

I know right? They would take the 7th + Crouse and call it a day because other teams have made deals, when in reality, that would be a bad deal for us.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Seems like I read this kind of comment every year around this time.

Yup, usually accompanied by bogus reasons why Carolina/NYI/Florida (until this offseason) are going to be awesome and so much better than the Rangers.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Not really. This team outplayed and dominated the sens who were one goal away from reaching the cup finals. And this was with Girardi, and staal playing top minutes.
Replace Girardi with Shattenkirk on top pairing and boom the team is a contender

That is the other thing. If I had the time (which I don't), I would go through every roster building thread, every player discussion thread, every GDT and PGT, and pull out the thousands of posts stating how Girardi and Glass are holding this team back. Girardi. Glass. Glass. Girardi. Glass. Girardi.

Both are gone and people still complain. Nothing is good enough.

 

[GregSirico]

We will sit back and do nothing as other teams in the Metro continue to get even stronger. Cool.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I have no confidence in this GM, thats why.

 

[GAGLine]

I don't think he was saying that but for a team pretty clearly on the back-side of their window one would think management would be aggressive enough to find a deal for someone. Nash. Zuccarello. Stepan. Kreider. Staal. Holden. Raanta. None of these guys are going to move?

None of them need to move today. People need to learn to be patient.

 

[FLYLine27*]

So you'd rather we make a deal, even if it's a bad deal, because other teams are doing stuff?

I don't recall saying that.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I have no confidence in this GM, thats why.

Gorton hasn't given you a reason to not have confidence. This is just you wanting to complain.

 

[GregSirico]

I have no confidence in this GM, thats why.

What has he done to make you think that?

 

[bl02]

Again all we can hope is that guys like skjei and buch and vesey get better. Guys like bereglazov and graves get better.
We are seeing how hard it is to make a trade and how many gm's are trying to rob Gorton blind.
It was inevitable teams like the flyers and islanders and jackets get better. They've been garbage for so long they've built up enough young assets and youth. And really only the flyers scare me going forward. If they play it right they should be the best team in the division in 3-4 years but then again it's the flyers .

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Gorton hasn't given you a reason to not have confidence. This is just you wanting to complain.

gorton not firing av immediately after benching buchnevich is why

 

[GAGLine]

I don't recall saying that.

It was implied. Gorton is very clearly trying to make deals, but hasn't found one he likes yet. If he had, he would have taken it. The implication is that the only offers he's gotten are bad ones from his perspective. You are clearly upset that the Rangers haven't done anything while other teams are getting better, so what else am I to think but that you'd rather take a bad deal than no deal at all?

There are still 8 1/2 hours before the draft starts and another 7 1/2 days before free agency starts, and even then, that only affects Stepan. Brass was traded for Zib on July 18th.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

What has he done to make you think that?

Stuff!!!!!!!

 

[JimmyG89]

So status quo is buying out someone who played nearly 1000 games on this team and was an alternate captain?

Status quo was signing Pionk, Bereglazov and Pedrie to try and get younger on defense?

If anything happens, the Rangers will trade after free agency begins. That's their track record. Nash trade was after July 1. Zibanejad was too.

Unless they are getting draft selections of the player (Talbot, Hagelin) they don't usually make a player for player transaction until a team becomes desperate.

Sather before and Gorton now have that track record. Don't be surprised if that's the same thing that would happen with another player this offseason. Teams get desperate to get better now and a market will open and narrow down when other free agents fill in the gaps on teams.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Gorton hasn't given you a reason to not have confidence. This is just you wanting to complain.

I've laid out the reasons, really poor deadline moves, got basically nothing for Talbot, got little for Hagelin, hasn't upgraded the right side of the defense, etc.

They aren't fake reasons. You might disagree, but lets not act like a team that has went backwards the last two years in results is a team thats undisputedly going in the right direction.

 

[TheBPA]

I actually have full confidence in Gorton. Some solid trades, but more importantly good use of UDFA signings that everyone seems to take for granted after they happen.

I can't really think of any bad moves he's made. And that includes extending Vigneault.

 

[nevesis]

 

[TheBPA]

I've laid out the reasons, really poor deadline moves, got basically nothing for Talbot, got little for Hagelin, hasn't upgraded the right side of the defense, etc.

They aren't fake reasons. You might disagree, but lets not act like a team that has went backwards the last two years in results is a team thats undisputedly going in the right direction.

Based on results alone, they actually improved this year compared to last year.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I've laid out the reasons, really poor deadline moves, got basically nothing for Talbot, got little for Hagelin, hasn't upgraded the right side of the defense, etc.

They aren't fake reasons. You might disagree, but lets not act like a team that has went backwards the last two years in results is a team thats undisputedly going in the right direction.

Putting things on him that didn't happen under his watch, nice.

And they went from losing in the 1st round to losing in the 2nd. That isn't backwards. Im worried that they may spin their wheels because the FO overvalues certain guys, but lets not act like his short resume here is filled with failures. Almost everything hes done over the last calendar year has been positive.

 

[Mrpuck]

I've laid out the reasons, really poor deadline moves, got basically nothing for Talbot, got little for Hagelin, hasn't upgraded the right side of the defense, etc.

They aren't fake reasons. You might disagree, but lets not act like a team that has went backwards the last two years in results is a team thats undisputedly going in the right direction.

While you're not wrong to think this way. I was disappointed in those returns as well for Talbot and Hagelin. But you need to realize trading requires a partner. It's hard to criticize the man, when those very well may have been the best offers available.
I am sure he was pressing Dallas on Talbot, and Dallas is the one who held out and didn't pony up which looking back I am sure they regret with how well Talbot played since the trade.

 

[BBKers]

PLAYERS UNDER CONTRACT WITH NEW YORK RANGERS ORGANISATION 2017-2018 (38)
NEW YORK RANGERS SQUAD (18)
[table="head;width=4200]Nr|Pos |Player| Caphit |Contract Status|Team 2016 |Drafted/Acquired |Age 2017
1| F | J.T. Miller |$2.750.000 |RFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #15 NYR (2011) |24
2| F | Kevin Hayes |$2,600,000 |RFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #24 Chicago (2010)- signed w/NYR as UFA |25
3| D | Brady Skjei (ELC) |$925,000* |RFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #28 NYR (2012) |23
4| F | Jimmy Vesey (ELC) |$925,000* |RFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R3 #66 Nashville (2012)- signed w/NYR as UFA |24
5| F | Matt Puempel |$725.000 |RFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #24 Ottawa (2011) - waiver claim 2016 |24
6| F | Rick Nash (NMC) |$7,800,000 |UFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #1 overall Columbus Blue Jackets (2002) - acquired through trade|33
7| D | Kevin Klein |$2,900,000 |UFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R2 #37 Nashville Predators (2003) - acquired through trade|33
8| D | Nick Holden |$1,650,000 |UFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |Undrafted - acquired through trade |30
9| F | Michael Grabner |$1,600,000 |UFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #14 Vancover Canucks (2006) - signed w/NYR as UFA |30
10| G | Anti Raanta |$1,000,000 |UFA 2018 |New York Rangers/NHL |Undrafted - acquired through trade |28
11| D | Ryan McDonagh |$4,700,000 |UFA 2019 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #12 Montreal (2007) - acquired unsigned through trade|28
12| F | Mats Zuccarello (NTC) |$4,500,000 |UFA 2019 |New York Rangers/NHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |30
13| F | Pavel Buchnevich (ELC)|$925,000* |RFA 2019 |New York Rangers/NHL |R3 #75 NYR (2013) |22
14| D | Alexei Bereglazov (ELC)|$925,000* |RFA 2019 |Metallurg Magnitogorsk/KHL|Undrafted (started w NYR) |23
15| F | Chris Kreider |$4,625,000 |UFA 2020 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #19 NYR (2009) |26
16| G | Henrik Lundqvist (NMC)|$8,500,000 |UFA 2021 |New York Rangers/NHL |R7 #208 NYR (2000) |35
17| F | Derek Stepan (NMC => NTC)|$6,500,000 |UFA 2021 |New York Rangers/NHL |R2 #51 NYR (2008) |27
18| D | Marc Staal (NMC => NTC)|$5,750,000 |UFA 2021 |New York Rangers/NHL |R1 #12 NYR (2005) |30[/table]

$2,611,111

TOTALS
SALARY CAP: $75,000,000 (presumed)
BUYOUTS (Dan Girardi): $2,611,111
SALARY HIT: $59,300,000
SALARY HIT WITH BUYOUT:$61.911.111
CAP SPACE: $13,088,889 ($3,272,222 per player)
10 FWD - 6 D - 2 G (3 more fwds)
AVERAGE AGE ~ 27.0 years

CONTRACTED 2017/2018 BUT LIKELY ASSIGNED TO AHL/ECHL/ELSEWHERE (20)
[table="head;width=4200]Nr |Pos |Player| Caphit |Contract Status |Team 2016 |Drafted |Age 2017
19|F |Adam Tambellini (ELC) |$803.333* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R3 #65 NYR (2013) |23
20|F |Adam Chapie (ELC) |$800.000* |RFA 2018 |Greenville Swamp Rabbits/ECHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |26
21|F |Cristoval Nieves(ELC) |$755.000* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R2 #59 NYR (2012) |23
22|F |Steven Fogarty (ELC) |$750.000* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R3 #72 NYR (2011) |24
23|F |Malte Strömwall (ELC) |$742.500* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R7 #198 Calgary (started w NYR) |24
24|D |Ryan Graves (ELC) |$656,667* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R4 #110 NYR (2013) |22
25|D |John Gilmour (ELC) |$633.333* |RFA 2018 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R7 #198 Calgary (2012) - signed w/NYR as UFA|24
26|D |Steve Kampfer |$650,000 |UFA 2019 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R4 #93 (2007) Anaheim - acquired through trade |29
27|F |Vinni Lettieri (ELC) |$925,000* |RFA 2019 |Univ. of Minnesota/NCAA |Undrafted (started w NYR) |22
28|D |Neil Pionk (ELC) |$925,000* |RFA 2019 |Univ. of Minnesota-Duluth/NCAA |Undrafted (started w NYR) |22
29|G |Chris Nell (ELC) |$925,000* |RFA 2019 |Bowling Green/NCAA |Undrafted (started w NYR) |23
30|F |Robin Kovacs (ELC) |$803.333* |RFA 2019 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R3 #62 NYR (2015) |21
31|G |Brandon Halverson (ELC)|$803.333* |RFA 2019 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |R2 #59 NYR (2014) |21
32|D |Vince Pedrie (ELC) |$767,500* |RFA 2019 |Penn State Univ./NCAA |Undrafted (started w NYR) |22
33|F |Ryan Gropp (ELC-S) |$839.166* |RFA 2020 |Seattle Thunderbirds/WHL |R2 #41 NYR (2015) |21
34|D |Sean Day (ELC-S) |$775,833* |RFA 2020 |Windsor Spitfires/OHL |R3 #81 NYR (2016) |19
35|F |Dawson Leedahl (ELC)|$749,167* |RFA 2020 |Regina Pats/WHL |Undrafted (started w NYR) |21
36|F |Timothy Gettinger (ELC-S)|$736,667* |RFA 2020 |Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds/OHL|R5 #141 NYR (2016) |19
37|F |Gabriel Fontaine (ELC-S)|$736,667* |RFA 2020 |Rouyn-Noranda Huskies/QMJHL |R6 #171 NYR (2016) |20
38|D |Sergey Zborovskiy (ELC-S)|$734,166* |RFA 2020 |Regina Pats/WHL |R3 #79 NYR (2015) |20
[/table]

* - has additional bonus money in contract
ELC - denotes player on Entry Level Contract
NTC - denotes No Trade Clause in Contract
NMC - denotes No Movement Clause in Contract
@ - signed to an AHL deal with Hartford Wolfpack

UFAs (Unrestricted free agents) - 6
[table="head;width=3800]Nr|Position |Player| Cap hit 2017| Team 2017 |Age 2017 | Signed 2017=>|Caphit 2017 =>
1| D | Brendan Smith |$2,750,000 |New York Rangers/NHL |28||
2| F | Tanner Glass |$1,450,000 |New York Rangers/NHL |33||
3| D | Chris Summers |$600.000 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |29||
4|D | Tommy Hughes |$600,000 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |25||
5|F | Marek Hrivik |$600,000 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |26|€urope?|
6|F | Chris Brown |$575,000 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |25||[/table]

RFAs (Restricted free agents) - 11
[table="head;width=3800]Nr|Position |Player| Cap hit 2017| Team 2017 |Age 2017 | Signed 2017=>|Caphit 2017 =>
1| F | Mika Zibanejad |$2,625,000 |New York Rangers/NHL |24||
2| F | Brandon Pirri |$1,100,000 |New York Rangers/NHL |26|Not qualified?|
3| F | Jesper Fast(h) |$950.000 |New York Rangers/NHL |26||
4| D | Troy Donnay |$716,667 |Greenville Swamp Rabbits/ECHL |23|Not qualified?|
5| G | MacKenzie Skapski |$661,667 |Greenville Swamp Rabbits/ECHL |23|Not qualified?|
6| F | Taylor Beck |$650.000 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |26|Not qualified?|
7| G | Magnus Hellberg |$625,000 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |26|Russia?|
8| D | Adam Clendening |$600.000 |New York Rangers/NHL |25|Not qualified?|
9| F | Niklas Jensen |$600,000 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |24|Russia?|
10| D | Michael Paliotta |$600.000 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |24||
11| F | Daniel Catenacci |$575,000 |Hartford Wolfpack/AHL |23||[/table]

PLAYERS STILL UNSIGNED BUT WITH RIGHTS RETAINED BY NYR (8)
[table="head;width=3800]Nr|Position |Player| Team 2016| Height |Weight| Nationality |Shoots|DOB|Drafted
1|G |Igor Shestyorkin |St. Petersburg SKA (KHL) |6' 1"| 187 | Russia |L|December 30, 1995 |R4 #118 NYR (2014)
2|D |Tyler Nanne |Minnesota Golden Gophers/NCAA |5' 10" | 175 | USA |R|March 17, 1996 |R5 #142 NYR (2014)
3|F |Brad Morrison |Prince George/WHL |6' 0" | 160 | Canada |L|January 4, 1997 |R4 #113 NYR (2015)
4|F |Daniel Bernhardt |VIK Västerås HK/Allsvenskan |6' 3" | 191 | Sweden |L|April 11, 1996 |R4 #119 NYR (2015)
5|G |Adam Huska |UConn Huskies/NCAA |6' 3" | 191 | Slovakia |L|May 12, 1997 |R7 #184 NYR (2015)
6|D |Tarmo Reunanen |TUTO Hockey/Mestis |6' 0" | 180 | Finland |L|March 1, 1998 |R4 #98 NYR (2016)
7|G |Tyler Wall |UMass Lowell River Hawks/NCAA |6' 2" | 190 | Canada |R|January 14, 1998 |R6 #174 NYR (2016)
8|F |Ty Ronning |Vancouver Giants/WHL |5' 9" | 165 | Canada |R|October 20, 1997 |R7 #201 NYR (2016)
(9)|F |Carl Klingberg |Free agent - rights retained |6' 3" | 205 | Sweden |R|January 28, 1991 |R2 #34 Atlanta (2009)[/table]

2017 DRAFT PICKS (5)

• 1st round NYR
• 4th round Florida
• 5th round NYR
• 6th round VAN
• 7th round NYR

• We lost our 2nd round pick to Carolina in the trade for Eric Staal
• We lost our 3rd round pick to Detroit in the trade for Brendan Smith
• We lost our 4th round pick to Colorado in the trade for Nick Holden
• We gained a 4th round pick from Florida for Keith Yandle - condition was met when he signed a 7 year deal there
• We lost our 6th round pick to Nashville in the trade for Magnus Hellberg
• We gained a 6th round pick from Vancouver when we traded Emerson Etem

2018 DRAFT PICKS (6)

• 1st round NYR
• 2nd round NYR
• 3rd round NYR
• 4th round NYR
• 5th round NYR
• 6th round NYR

• We gained a 2nd round pick from Ottawa when we traded Derrick Brassard
• We then lost Ottawas 2nd round pick to Detroit in the trade for Brendan Smith
• We then also lost our 7th round pick to Ottawa in the trade for Mika Zibanejad

2019 DRAFT PICKS (7)

• 1st round NYR
• 2nd round NYR
• 3rd round NYR
• 4th round NYR
• 5th round NYR
• 6th round NYR
• 7th round NYR

 

[Irishguy42]

I actually have full confidence in Gorton. Some solid trades, but more importantly good use of UDFA signings that everyone seems to take for granted after they happen.

I can't really think of any bad moves he's made. And that includes extending Vigneault.

Staal trade is really the only blunder that Gorton has done.