Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXVIII: Down to the wire!

[ManUtdTobbe]

Wait what?! Stepan has never had less then 40 points in a season and has had 50 give Times including the last 4 straight seasons.

Staals best season was 40 points 1 time prior to being dealt.

You have to factor in age and overall play too, Staal is one of the best play drivers in the NHL, he's a defensive BEAST... Stepan is solid defensively but it's not really close.

Staal was also playing behind Crosby-Malkin in Pens, not like he got much offensive ice time and freedom... Gotta use some perspective people...

I know we're NYR fans but atleast try to look at it a little bit objectively...

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

You have to factor in age and overall play too, Staal is one of the best play drivers in the NHL, he's a defensive BEAST... Stepan is solid defensively but it's not really close.

Staal was also playing behind Crosby-Malkin in Pens, not like he got much offensive ice time and freedom... Gotta use some perspective people...

I know we're NYR fans but atleast try to look at it a little bit objectively...

Last time I checked offensive production was always valued more in trades then defensive capabilities.

Stepan is also,very good defensively.

Draws on the other hand....

 

[XX]

What i'm saying is that DeAngelo is a head case, i don't see him being the "nhl ready asset" we're looking for honestly.

I'd think we'd prefer Fischer over both D-men maybe too.

Don't think Hickeys rights do much, maybe as a throw in sweetener.

7+Wood+Hickey+2018 conditional 2nd from the Smith trade?

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

7+Wood+Hickey+2018 conditional 2nd from the Smith trade?

Swap Wood or Hickey with Fischer and maybe, value wise it's good but it really doesn't do much for NYR except give us cap space...

Like i said, i think it's more likely that Gorton will look for that NHL ready asset (Strome/Dvorak/Chychrun), if Chayka doesn't break and offer that up then i don't think we'll have a deal.

It's possible they find a deal with #7 being the main piece but i don't think Gorton will make that deal, we'll see in a few weeks

Edit: Gorton will push for one of those roster ready pieces, Chayka will be hesitant and try to build a deal around something else (#7 i guess?). We'll see if one of them breaks, otherwise nothing happens.

 

[E-Train]

7+Wood+Hickey+2018 conditional 2nd from the Smith trade?

I'm keeping Step if this is the deal. I don't know if happens by July 1st, could go either way.

 

[XX]

Like i said, i think it's more likely that Gorton will look for that NHL ready asset (Strome/Dvorak/Chychrun), if Chayka doesn't break and offer that up then i don't think we'll have a deal.

Prior to Strome's postseason, I would have put him in the available column, but he was great and he's living in the valley this summer to train with Keller. I don't see it. I sure as hell don't see you guys getting Dvorak. I think everyone is underestimating his value (more upside than Sutter ever had) and the attachment the team has to him. I think your odds of getting Strome are better than Dvorak. Chychrun is a complete nonstarter, he can't be moved until OEL is signed, if at all.

If Gorton wants pure value then 7 is a good start and I can see the Coyotes taking the roster player in that scenario but I don't see them giving up on any of their core bluechips to go along with it. Fischer is an organizational need, you'd have better luck asking for Perlini or Duclair back.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Prior to Strome's postseason, I would have put him in the available column, but he was great and he's living in the valley this summer to train with Keller. I don't see it. I sure as hell don't see you guys getting Dvorak. I think everyone is underestimating his value (more upside than Sutter ever had) and the attachment the team has to him. I think your odds of getting Strome are better than Dvorak. Chychrun is a complete nonstarter, he can't be moved until OEL is signed, if at all.

If Gorton wants pure value then 7 is a good start and I can see the Coyotes taking the roster player in that scenario but I don't see them giving up on any of their core bluechips to go along with it. Fischer is an organizational need, you'd have better luck asking for Perlini or Duclair back.

This is all fair, it will come down to who breaks of Chayka or Gorton. Or if neither breaks

I don't think a deal will be made where both fanbases are happy/content. One fanbase will be angry if we make a deal here is my guess.

Maybe #7 + The Duke (+) is something neither fanbase would hate.

 

[E-Train]

Like i said, i think it's more likely that Gorton will look for that NHL ready asset (Strome/Dvorak/Chychrun), if Chayka doesn't break and offer that up then i don't think we'll have a deal.

This is what I see happening.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

This is what I see happening.

Only middle ground i see is maybe Duke + #7 as the base, but not sure.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Gorton isn't going to trade Stepan for a pick and prospects. That does nothing for this team, which is why he'll pursue something that'll give him a young NHL-ready player back.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Stepan for Dvorak and #7OV (Tippett should be nice?), if on the table we should take it. But it won't be. Chaika is apparently a GM that makes pretty good deals and this wouldn't be one. Did you see the main trade board discussion? ARI fans would go as far as #7OV for Step straight up. Dvorak is untouchable the way they see it.

I don't want Steps NMC contract. If his skating and speed would be better, we would never even think about trading. But as his biggest flaw is the premier factor in today's game (skating), it becomes a tough tough decision. Also his motivation/fire/clutchness didn't show in the POs this year.

 

[NYR Viper]

I think I have also read that Arizona knows it may be difficult to add the right players in UFA due to location and lack of past winning. If thats the case, do they try and add a bit this summer, take a step forward, and continue the process of improving next year?

At some point they will need to decide who they want to keep long term. Not all of their prospects can play st the same time. It's not a recipe for success.

I'd be interested in Crouse as that 3rd piece in the deal. The Rangers will need a replacement for most likely Fast or Grabner if they're taken. He'd add an ice combination of size and physical play with some level of skill.

 

[E-Train]

Only middle ground i see is maybe Duke + #7 as the base, but not sure.

Really hard to tell how it could shake out between the GMs. Obviously msg board posters opinions don't matter in the least. There's posters here that don't like Strome, don't like Dvorak, etc. The louder AZ posters want to hug all of their young talent.

Don't know what a realistic deal for Step would look like.

 

[XX]

Maybe #7 + The Duke (+) is something neither fanbase would hate.

I personally don't want to see Duclair traded as his value in trade is low and his value to the team is much higher, but it seems like destiny. Tippett has ridden his ass into oblivion and doesn't have the patience for an offense first guy. I see it creating a rift with Domi too, which would be the most Coyotes thing ever - a self-inflicted wound.

I can definitely see 7+Duclair+sweeteners going down. At least he'd be going to a good team I guess.

 

[Boruto]

Stepan for Dvorak and #7OV (Tippett should be nice?), if on the table we should take it. But it won't be. Chaika is apparently a GM that makes pretty good deals and this wouldn't be one. Did you see the main trade board discussion? ARI fans would go as far as #7OV for Step straight up. Dvorak is untouchable the way they see it.

I don't want Steps NMC contract. If his skating and speed would be better, we would never even think about trading. But as his biggest flaw is the premier factor in today's game (skating), it becomes a tough tough decision. Also his motivation/fire/clutchness didn't show in the POs this year.

Step is one of the guys in the locker room that tries to get the best out of everyone and himself. Just because he sucked doesn't mean he ain't got fire and motivation.

 

[NYR Viper]

Stepan for Dvorak and #7OV (Tippett should be nice?), if on the table we should take it. But it won't be. Chaika is apparently a GM that makes pretty good deals and this wouldn't be one. Did you see the main trade board discussion? ARI fans would go as far as #7OV for Step straight up. Dvorak is untouchable the way they see it.

I don't want Steps NMC contract. If his skating and speed would be better, we would never even think about trading. But as his biggest flaw is the premier factor in today's game (skating), it becomes a tough tough decision. Also his motivation/fire/clutchness didn't show in the POs this year.

To be fair, this is a prospects site and team fanbases, especially those whose teams are rebuilding get attached to their bright future pieces. The problem is that if you look at the numbers not all will make it and not all will make it to their high projected ceilings.

Organizations at some point need to worry about putting a competitive team out on the ice. A continual rebuild does nothing for ownership I'm sure.

Strome + 7th + Crouse

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

I personally don't want to see Duclair traded as his value in trade is low and his value to the team is much higher, but it seems like destiny. Tippett has ridden his ass into oblivion and doesn't have the patience for an offense first guy. I see it creating a rift with Domi too, which would be the most Coyotes thing ever - a self-inflicted wound.

I can definitely see 7+Duclair+sweeteners going down. At least he'd be going to a good team I guess.

Yeah, something like this is the only middle ground trade i could see where neither fanbase pukes... But most likely one fanbase will puke if a deal goes down

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

To be fair, this is a prospects site and team fanbases, especially those whose teams are rebuilding get attached to their bright future pieces. The problem is that if you look at the numbers not all will make it and not all will make it to their high projected ceilings.

Organizations at some point need to worry about putting a competitive team out on the ice. A continual rebuild does nothing for ownership I'm sure.

Strome + 7th + Crouse

I'd make that trade but i hate Crouse, he's a bad 4th liner with limited upside imo.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'd make that trade but i hate Crouse, he's a bad 4th liner with limited upside imo.

I think that's an opinion. Towards the end of the season he was a nice player for the Yotes. He's not going to be a first line player but a Troy Brouwer-like player is still valuable. I don't think they get much with that third piece. Hickey's right would also be of interest. As would Duclair

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Just because he sucked doesn't mean he ain't got fire and motivation.

So his suckage came from something else than his fire or motivation? If it's exogenic, like a heart break, fine. But if it endogenic, it must be his will/fire/motivation.

Either way he literally needed to step up, but he's missing a step in order to do it against consistently fast opponents.

Strome + 7th + Crouse

This is a crazy overpayment, if you ask me. No way Chaika does this.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

I think that's an opinion. Towards the end of the season he was a nice player for the Yotes. He's not going to be a first line player but a Troy Brouwer-like player is still valuable. I don't think they get much with that third piece. Hickey's right would also be of interest. As would Duclair

I think Crouse upside is more limited then a Brouwer, think he's more likely to be a Tom Wilson.

 

[silverfish]

Not in love with what Florida decided to do. But. Tough spot.

Some of these teams' lists are gonna come out and we're all gonna realize how lucky the Rangers are to be in the spot they're in.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Staal also wanted to play with one of his brothers, and was using that as leverage against signing long-term. So, the Pens had only the Canes and Rangers to make a deal for Staal. Gorton is under no such restrictions. But, again, rose-colored Rangers glasses, whatever,

 

[Ghost of jas]

I also don't see Duclair being of interest to the Rangers, despite the fan club that still resides here.

 

[Ola]

XX- GMs in the NHL never gets anything done so overwhelming odds of course that nothing will happen between NYR and ARI. But you are underrating the price it takes to get a serviceable No 1 center/great second line center that is 26 y/o, for a few more days at least. He is what 4 years older than Max Domi, and it's not even a lock that Domi will peak much higher than Stepan is right now -- albeit that is one I would put money on.

A reasonable projection for Dvorak and a 7th overal pick never equals Stepans value. That deal that you hold as unthinkable is a lottery ticket for NYR. A decent ticket, but still.

Gorts will deal Stepan to ARI if he can get a RD in return, most likely including a third party.

ARI got two alternatives, either they move forward without giving their kids even the slightest bit of support or they go out to get that support. NHL GMs have for a long time as a rule chosen the first option with horrible results. ARI seems like a typical franchise that in 20 years won't have won a PO round if I am honest. Just very poorly managed and a management very focused on selling tomorrow instead of trying to develop. There are no shortcuts. The Hanzal trade was hard to understand IMO.