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Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXVIII: Down to the wire!
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Irishguy42
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Yeah but according to HFNYR, that's an awful situation to be in. Whereas on HFANA and the main boards, losing Vatanen for free (plus another player in the actual draft, unless Ducks do picks+ to Vegas so they pick Manson instead, which I doubt) means the Ducks are in "great shape" for expansion.
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Irishguy42
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Either Vatanen himself for Vegas to not pick Manson, or picks+ to pick Vatanen instead of Manson.
Either way, Ducks aren't in great shape. Baffling.
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They are going 8S instead of 7F/3D right?
Perry (NMC)
Getzlaf (NMC)
Kesler (NMC)
Rakell
Bieksa (NMC)
Lindholm
Fowler
Manson
Exposing (among others) Silfverberg and Vatanen
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Change is good.
Agreed. Their choices were lose one of their D for [the best price they could get], and then lose E. Staal in the Expansion Draft for nothing - or - lose one of Brodin/Dumba/Scandella for nothing (or the bribe paid to LVGK not to pick them + yet another player lost).
I don't understand how they came out with the latter option.
Perhaps no one offered them enough expansion draft exempt value...?
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I'm no GM, and the main board is no indication (because everybody LOVES overvaluing their own players, acting arrogant about it, and then crying the blues when they're going to lose one because their organizations weren't amicable/correct about their player evaluations and market), but it seems like hubris is going to cost Anaheim a player like Vatanen/Silfverberg, Minnesota is going to lose a Brodin. Islanders are likely to lose a player of good value. I get the expansion draft was put into place so that Vegas could be competitive almost instantaneously and there were some real quality players at risk of being selected, but a few organizations had an opportunity to make apples/oranges, pure hockey trades in order to put themselves in a better position coming out of the draft, and they failed.
Negotiations at the highest level are real tough, but it wouldn't necessarily shock me if after the fact we found out that a few GMs had some real, plausible, fair offers on the table and passed, and ended up losing said player anyway.
I happen to think Gorton and the Rangers are in a much better spot than people give them credit for. I didn't mind Gorton kicking the tires on Stepan, and he still might be moved, but I do think the organization has a real surplus of forwards, and that one could be moved for a defenseman/cap space during these next two weeks. They don't have an elite one, maybe Nash, but many teams would love to have Stepan, Kreider, Zucc, Nash, Hayes, Miller, Zibanejad, Lindberg/Fast (one will be selected), Grabner, Buchnevich moving forward. That, and it seems the Rangers are much better suited developing good two-way forwards as opposed to defenseman.
Still think our best method of improving the D is trying to shed cap space by retaining money on Staal/Nash, or moving one of Miller/Hayes straight up for a similar-aged defenseman. We shall see.
Negotiations at the highest level are real tough, but it wouldn't necessarily shock me if after the fact we found out that a few GMs had some real, plausible, fair offers on the table and passed, and ended up losing said player anyway.
I happen to think Gorton and the Rangers are in a much better spot than people give them credit for. I didn't mind Gorton kicking the tires on Stepan, and he still might be moved, but I do think the organization has a real surplus of forwards, and that one could be moved for a defenseman/cap space during these next two weeks. They don't have an elite one, maybe Nash, but many teams would love to have Stepan, Kreider, Zucc, Nash, Hayes, Miller, Zibanejad, Lindberg/Fast (one will be selected), Grabner, Buchnevich moving forward. That, and it seems the Rangers are much better suited developing good two-way forwards as opposed to defenseman.
Still think our best method of improving the D is trying to shed cap space by retaining money on Staal/Nash, or moving one of Miller/Hayes straight up for a similar-aged defenseman. We shall see.
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I think this too. I want to think it's because there are deals lined up post draft, like take a that guy from Anaheim and flip him to me for this asset. But after the hype train today fizzled, I think gms just realized they had more than one asset to protect or the returns were too low.
Tawnos
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You don't need great. You just need someone who can competently spell Lundqvist for 30-35 games (no L-U-N-D-etc jokes, please).
A guy with a 0.916 save percentage in 81 games the last two years is pretty much proven to be that kind of guy.
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Anyone have a link to the leaked protected lists? Not seeing anything on the main board aside from the fact that Neal is going to be exposed by the Press.
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Irishguy42
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Isn't Anaheim way more ****ed than we're realizing?
Teams are going to see the protection lists, see that Anaheim is leaving Vatanen and Manson exposed. And then what? The teams that want these guys have every right to call up McPhee and say: "Select Manson, and we'll send you X player or X draft pick". Then, McPhee can call Anaheim and say: "I've got the Rangers here, they're willing to send us JT Miller if we select Manson from your squad".
The Ducks have two choices. Beat the offer, or lose Manson for nothing.
This is a damn nightmare, dude.
Rangers are so set for expansion it's great. Finally, something we have over other teams
Teams are going to see the protection lists, see that Anaheim is leaving Vatanen and Manson exposed. And then what? The teams that want these guys have every right to call up McPhee and say: "Select Manson, and we'll send you X player or X draft pick". Then, McPhee can call Anaheim and say: "I've got the Rangers here, they're willing to send us JT Miller if we select Manson from your squad".
The Ducks have two choices. Beat the offer, or lose Manson for nothing.
This is a damn nightmare, dude.
Rangers are so set for expansion it's great. Finally, something we have over other teams
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Isn't Anaheim way more ****ed than we're realizing?
Teams are going to see the protection lists, see that Anaheim is leaving Vatanen and Manson exposed. And then what? The teams that want these guys have every right to call up McPhee and say: "Select Manson, and we'll send you X player or X draft pick". Then, McPhee can call Anaheim and say: "I've got the Rangers here, they're willing to send us JT Miller if we select Manson from your squad".
The Ducks have two choices. Beat the offer, or lose Manson for nothing.
This is a damn nightmare, dude.
Rangers are so set for expansion it's great. Finally, something we have over other teams
Ducks fans seemed pretty convinced they were in great shape. They even went out of there way to make that thread on the trade board breaking it down.
silverfish
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I've had multiple conversations with huesy saying that his optimism was, well, at a high level.
Nothing that they needed to happen happened.
Bieksa is still there.
Vatanen wasn't traded for a good forward piece.
HatTrick Swayze
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Yet another example of trade world certainty becoming anything but.
You'd think one of these days, we'd see some humility.
You'd think one of these days, we'd see some humility.
Isn't Anaheim way more ****ed than we're realizing?
Teams are going to see the protection lists, see that Anaheim is leaving Vatanen and Manson exposed. And then what? The teams that want these guys have every right to call up McPhee and say: "Select Manson, and we'll send you X player or X draft pick". Then, McPhee can call Anaheim and say: "I've got the Rangers here, they're willing to send us JT Miller if we select Manson from your squad".
The Ducks have two choices. Beat the offer, or lose Manson for nothing.
This is a damn nightmare, dude.
Rangers are so set for expansion it's great. Finally, something we have over other teams
In theory yes, but this won't happen for the same reasons offer sheets don't happen... The motherbleeping Old Boys Club... I hate it...
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