Filip Chytil
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Wow, sorry, haven't been following the last 48 hours, so didn't know what you meant by that.
Man, people today are just....I'll refrain from completing that one.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXVII: Derek Stepan Trade-A-Palooza
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Wow, sorry, haven't been following the last 48 hours, so didn't know what you meant by that.
Man, people today are just....I'll refrain from completing that one.
JT Kreider
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Well the bolded is absolutely true. I'm just basing that off every team that has won a Cup since the Penguins first in '09.
Anthony5967
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I mean you can keep drafting 20 and down, go right ahead and never get the superstar anyway. Where is the star this franchise has gotten last 10 years with a pick??
silverfish
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I think if Stepan didn't play roughly 60% of his 5v5 TOI with Staal or Girardi on the ice, he could easily hit 60+ points.
Stepan struggled to make plays with the puck on his stick in the playoffs, was clearly out of shape.
It's amazing how people will see what they want to see.
It's amazing how people will see what they want to see.
JT Kreider
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And what about all the other years this group failed to get over the hump and win the Cup.
I can agree with some arguments to trading Stepan, this sure as hell isn't one of them. This is just a bad narrative that needs to die.
We've had a bottom 5 D in the league (when adjusted for usage) for most of those years, for crying out loud.
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Fitzy
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I honestly think it's that very good teams just most often happen to have a franchise center. So the argument has an endogeneity problem.
I don't see the theoretical basis behind why a solid center core of 3 2nd line-type centers and a 4th line Brian Boyle type would necessarily always lose in a series to a team with Crosby or Toews playing 1/3rd of the minutes in a game.
DutchShamrock
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Forget OEL. You have to understand team needs and the reason they even kick the tires on a specific player. The point of Stepan is to be competitive sooner. Draw free agents in, get crowds at the game, get an arena deal. Trading their best player and most reliable defenseman accomplishes none of that.
They have built up a ton of young assets, they will look to cash some of that in, get stability with a stepan type and be competitive in a chaotic division.
If Gorton isn't happy with that return, we don't make a trade but please stop with the OEL pipedream.
They have built up a ton of young assets, they will look to cash some of that in, get stability with a stepan type and be competitive in a chaotic division.
If Gorton isn't happy with that return, we don't make a trade but please stop with the OEL pipedream.
GregSirico
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I think that's true, but I also do feel like we have a lot of 'very solid' players but no superstars (Kane, Crosby, Malkin, Ovi) who can just take over a game if needed. For the last decade we always relied on the strength of the team being the sum of it's parts with Hank being the backbone, maybe having a play making RHD to paid with Mac and a stud offensive player to lean on (Nash has been solid, but not that) is something we have been missing?
Not my point
He struggled during the playoffs, I have no idea why but I'd venture to say that it was in his head.
There was nothing in his game that suggested that he was out of shape. He wasn't any weaker along the boards, he didn't have trouble keeping up, he just didn't do the right things when he had the puck on his stick. Your fitness level isn't going to change that.
I'm down with trading Stepan if the value is right.
Boruto
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asset management though. You might not get 1 super star but you can get a Skjei, a Kreider, a Stepan, and a Miller. At least say, 2 of those with a handful of 1st round picks and some lesser pieces like a Lindberg or a Fast. They all make up a team and constitute the wealth of asset a franchise needs to peddle and stay afloat without signing UFAs like a drug addict.
I don't get how Rangers fans still don't grasp just how detrimental it's been to this team having Girardi and Staal playing top 4 minutes.
We've had a BOTTOM 5 defence in this league when adjusted for usage, how the f do you then go blame the 1C who plays a solid 2-way game and scores ~55 points?!?!?!?!?!?!?
We've had a BOTTOM 5 defence in this league when adjusted for usage, how the f do you then go blame the 1C who plays a solid 2-way game and scores ~55 points?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Amazing Kreiderman
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Sorry. But you were the 3rd one in 15 minutes to ask me that, when it was quite obvious that it was just a summary, not my personal opinion
One of the reasons the Coyotes have urgency today is that they can offer teams room to maneuver for expansion draft. That disappears at 3PM.
JT Kreider
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When you have a franchise player at the top, the rest falls into place.
It's why a team like the Patriots are such a well-oiled machine and churn out players left and right every year.
It's why a team like the Penguins can pull no-name guys like Sheary, Guentzel, Rust, Cole and even Schultz out of nowhere and turn them into highly effective players.
We could have easily won with the F core if we built a decent D to support them instead of playing G+Staal in top 4 roles.
LaffyTaffy
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I dont hate Stepan in any way, i actually love the guy. I just really want to capitalize on the current market and sell high. Be it Stepan Kreider or Zucc. Of those three i would simply rather sell Stepan. We need to keep making shakeup moves like Brass for Zib, its crucial to keep moving forward.
Anthony5967
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I agree for sure. But you'll end up like we are now. No cup but one of the better playoff teams in the last 6 years.
Boruto
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Our offense is perfectly fine. The centers did a bad job this year in the 12 games they played. If you can somehow prove to me that having Sidney Crosby on this team would help Staal-Holden and Dan Girardi fall into place, I'll Fedex you a hanger steak.
GregSirico
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I don't think people are blaming Stepan for what he is. I'm also not saying you can't win with him, you absolutely can, but I think what's needed on whatever line he plays is a dynamic player who can pot goals. We have a lot of 'very good players' but no super stars. It's just a different model.
silverfish
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If the magic bullet to winning a cup is needing 'an elite 1C' and nothing else, why isn't every team that doesn't have an 'elite 1C' tanking every year to try and get the #1 pick in the draft?
That's literally all it takes. Franchise center. This is an easy thing to solve.
Blow your team up. Suck for two years. Draft in the top-3 twice.
Why isn't that happening more often?
Maybe it's not that easy?
LaffyTaffy
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Is Gorton working phones all day or are we just sitting tight and waiting to see if we need to make a move with VGK? Have you heard any rumblings that differ from whats being spewed on twitter?
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