Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXVII: Derek Stepan Trade-A-Palooza

[UAGoalieGuy]

If the Coyotes have serious interest in Stepan, along with other teams, Dvorak and the #7 would be a good deal.

Of the Rangers could get Makar at #7 they would kill two birds with one stone.

Think that should be the basis of the deal and the Rangers add something small like Raanta on their side.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Stepan for Dvorak+7OA is a deal I would accept. It would be a good way to build towards the future and be competitive this year.

Arizona gets a 1C who plays all positions, signed for another 4 years and can sign Hanzal as a FA to add to their center depth.

Rangers can draft Liljegren/Makar and with the 21OA maybe grab Yamamoto/Brannstrom. That would be a great off-season

 

[SnowFort]

I would absolutely support getting Dvorak+7OA. Which probably means Arizona would not agree...

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I would absolutely support getting Dvorak+7OA. Which probably means Arizona would not agree...

Doesn't matter what their fans think it's what their GM thinks.

Rangers aren't in a position where they have to,move Stepan and other teams have interest as Well.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

If #7 is the main piece coming back then i'd wait with this trade until draft day and have a specific target in mind for #7 (Pettersson). If that target is not there, no trade.

 

[Vitto79]

Stepan doesn't need to get traded before the few day roster freeze, the Rangers have like 2 weeks (minus an hour) from right now to trade him, could be at the draft, could be after the draft, could be not at all

Yea but AZ has tons of protection space . Move him for an Entry Level contract and protect Fast

 

[SnowFort]

Doesn't matter what their fans think it's what their GM thinks.

Rangers aren't in a position where they have to,move Stepan and other teams have interest as Well.

Let's hope it starts a bidding war then. Should kick Stepans value up a notch.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I would absolutely support getting Dvorak+7OA. Which probably means Arizona would not agree...

The majority of people on HF boards will always value a prospect/rookie over a 27-year old, 7 year veteran who also played in the Olympics, WCH and a Cup final and 2 conference finals.

For his age, Stepan is massively experienced and he brings that with him. 1 bad post-season doesn't erase that

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Let's hope it starts a bidding war then. Should kick Stepans value up a notch.

It should. I think an off-season of adding:

Dvorak
Makar (#7)
Brannstrom (#21)
Shattenkirk
Smith

Subtracting:

Girardi
Holden

Is a win of an off-season and speed up a retool. If they can somehow move Staal would make it,even better.

 

[cheech70]

I think it make sense for deal to happen before ed lists are submitted in order to protect Lindberg.

 

[SnowFort]

The majority of people on HF boards will always value a prospect/rookie over a 27-year old, 7 year veteran who also played in the Olympics, WCH and a Cup final and 2 conference finals.

For his age, Stepan is massively experienced and he brings that with him. 1 bad post-season doesn't erase that

Oh believe me, I would never write a post on the main trade board. People there are vicious. I go on there and read sometimes, and people's opinions and beliefs will never stop baffling me.

I hope Chayka thinks the same way, and if he is after Stepan I think he already knows that he will have to offer something good.

 

[NYR Viper]

Strome
Crouse
1st

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

The teams in the East and their 1c:

PIT: Crosby
WSH: Backstrom
CBJ: Wennberg as a 22 year old in his 2nd season outscored Stepan's career best point total
NYI: Tavares
NJD: Stepan is better than their 1C._ for now
CAR: Stepan is better than Rask
PHI: Giroux

BOS: Bergeron
BUF: Eichel
DET: Stepan is better than Larkin.. for now
FLA: Barkov
MTL: Galchenyuk break out is coming and it seems most non-NYR fans take him over Stepan
OTT: Turris
TBL: Stamkos
TOR: Matthews

There, I broke it down for you myself. There is one team in the entire East that I take Stepan over their 1c.

Stepan is definitely better then Galchenyuk and Turris, on top of those you mentioned... Also, Zibanejad is better then most of those other teams 2Cs, which means we're a good team in the C department... Add that Hayes is an above average 3C and we're suddenly very good at C...

It's not about ONE position, ffs.

 

[Boruto]

I think it make sense for deal to happen before ed lists are submitted in order to protect Lindberg.

I still think management protects Fast over Lindbergh most days. Way more established, reputable as a PK hustle 4th liner that puts up points. I think if Raanta and Lindbergh are available, Lindbergh is safe.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Oh believe me, I would never write a post on the main trade board. People there are vicious. I go on there and read sometimes, and people's opinions and beliefs will never stop baffling me.

I hope Chayka thinks the same way, and if he is after Stepan I think he already knows that he will have to offer something good.

Don't take it to the main boards because they will think Dvorak is worth Zuccarello+Kreider+Stepan haha. Montreal fans have said Sergachev is the best defensive prospect in the league, but right after trading him, they were saying Juulsen, Mete and Lernout are better hahahaha

 

[Mikos87]

Dvorak + 7th would be awesome depending whose on there.

I like Wood & Fischer too... but Dvorak is going to be a very strong player in the league... two-way game and all.

ARI needs NHL players and contracts.

 

[Boruto]

has Arizona traded a high pick before? They're still rebuilding and you don't see too many high picks traded in those situations

 

[GAGLine]

I'm wondering if we could end up with 2 picks in the 1st and come away with 2 of Makar, Liljegren and Foote. That would certainly set up the right side of our defense for a long time.

 

[E-Train]

Don't take it to the main boards because they will think Dvorak is worth Zuccarello+Kreider+Stepan haha. Montreal fans have said Sergachev is the best defensive prospect in the league, but right after trading him, they were saying Juulsen, Mete and Lernout are better hahahaha

It's an insane asylum over there.

 

[GAGLine]

has Arizona traded a high pick before? They're still rebuilding and you don't see too many high picks traded in those situations

They have both #7 and #24. I could see them parting with at least one of them. Maybe they'd be willing to part with #7, along with a swap of #24 for #21, as part of a deal for Stepan.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

It's an insane asylum over there.

I proposed Stepan + 2nd for Galchenyuk + Juulsen + 1st and they replied by saying Galchenyuk was a 3rd OA pick and is worth more than Stepan because of that.

 

[E-Train]

I proposed Stepan + 2nd for Galchenyuk + Juulsen + 1st and they replied by saying Galchenyuk was a 3rd OA pick and is worth more than Stepan because of that.

I know. I saw that one and many others. It doesn't help that non-regular posters here always post Ranger deals that are awful and are brutally ridiculed. When a reasonable Ranger deal is posted it still gets ripped. What a joke.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Dvorak+7OA for Stepan? People are absolutely dreaming if the think ARZ would even consider that for a minute. Did Stepan turn into a star player overnight because last I checked he isn't and isn't going to get that type of return back.

At best maybe Dvorak and their 24th.

The reason being that we are not actively shopping him. This isn't like Toronto wanting to trade Kessel, or Spezza having a NTC and deciding where he wanted to go. We don't have to trade Stepan and yes, he is a good 1C with a fair AAV for what he brings.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

He won't. We don't have the cap room to be buying out all these players and wasting our cap. Dannys 2nd-3rd years are a 3M hit.

If anything he will somehow get traded.

When are people going to learn that buyouts aren't cap losses, we GAIN cap space.
When the player you are buying out is ~replacement level then you gain cap space and you become a better team.
You can easily replace him with a player that cost less then the difference between the cap hit and the cap penalty.

Unfortunately it'll be 3, they have to get over that 3.6 cap hit year 3 for DG then it goes down to 1.1. Not impossible however to swallow both.

Why not? "dead cap space" is such a dumb argument when the players ur talking about buying out are ~replacement level quality.

 

[NYR Viper]

Dvorak+7OA for Stepan? People are absolutely dreaming if the think ARZ would even consider that for a minute. Did Stepan turn into a star player overnight because last I checked he isn't and isn't going to get that type of return back.

At best maybe Dvorak and their 24th.

I'm sure those are the pieces The Rangers are asking for. Whether they get them...