Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXVI: It's All Happening

[NickyFotiu]

I understand why some people want to trade Stepan but I believe Hayes should stay on the 3rd line and Oscar on the 4th line.

Oh by the way we will win in the next 5 years. Probably in the next 3 years.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Hayes works best in a top-9 setting where he gets the sheltered matchups and offensive zone usage, not sure what AV sees because he clearly doesn't agree with me or the numbers.

 

[RGY]

He's much better then a #4 D-man, he's a borderline #2-#3 imo and i'd happily trade Hayes/Miller for him.

That is your opinion.

 

[Griffinbw]

My biggest issue with that group isn't points, it's the defensive game, who takes the tough matchups?
Do we keep burying Hayes in a role he sucks at?

It takes us from having a very well balanced C group to having a badly balanced and in general a weak C group.
It would be a massive gamble and imo a very bad gamble.
If we're trading a C then we need to replace that C.

Statistically, Lindberg is a stud defensively.

The other two? Atrocious

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Love Tanev, if a package around Hayes or Miller is enough then we should definitely be in on him.

Doesn't really fit the get "younger" part of the "get younger and faster" mantra.

 

[Ghost of jas]

It would appear Florida is going to have issues with protcting D-men. I wouldn't give up a piece as valuabe as Miller or Hayes for Demers. I'd offer Graves, and maybe another prospect, and take back Demers. The Rangers are a team with a valuable spot open on D during the expansion draft and I expect Gorton to use it to his benefit.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Statistically, Lindberg is a stud defensively.

The other two? Atrocious

What numbers are you looking at? Because i don't think Lindberg is a stud at all defensively, he's like ok/good.
Zbad is fine defensively too, getting better. Hayes is a black hole atleast when it comes to pure shot metrics.

 

[HonestGabe]

Crazy hypothetical...

-Skjei, 2017 1st, 2018 1st for MacKinnon (this one would kill me but I would do it if Stepan brings back a young defenseman)

-Stepan for Jonas Brodin, Alex Tuch

-Nash for Roussel, 29th overall

-Staal, 29th overall, Raanta to Vegas. Rangers retain $1 million

-sign Shattenkirk (6x6) & Smith (4x4)


Kreider MacKinnon Buchnevich
Miller Zibanejad Zuccarello
Vesey Hayes Grabner
Roussel Lindberg Fast
Puempel/Nieves

McDonagh Shattenkirk
Brodin Smith
Holden Bereglazov
Kampfer/Graves

Hank
UFA

lol none of this ever happens but would it really be HF if we didn't have crazy proposals every now and then?

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Doesn't really fit the get "younger" part of the "get younger and faster" mantra.

I don't really care, it fits my mantra of getting a good D to supplement our forwards. Also JTM and Hayes are both kinda/slightly overrated and will likely get paid more then they should.

Hayes more so then Miller but still.

 

[silverfish]

If we're calling Florida, I'd much rather it be about Pysyk than Demers.

Though, I often wonder how much better last year's team would've been had they listened to me and bought G out, and signed Demers

 

[RGY]

It would appear Florida is going to have issues with protcting D-men. I wouldn't give up a piece as valuabe as Miller or Hayes for Demers. I'd offer Graves, and maybe another prospect, and take back Demers. The Rangers are a team with a valuable spot open on D during the expansion draft and I expect Gorton to use it to his benefit.

This is somewhat more sensible, however....

Graves is inching closer to making it to the NHL. He is a big body and is a pretty decent prospect. I think within the next year or two he will be way more valuable than Jason Demers while also being cheaper. Just stay the course.

Cant they protect 9 skaters and 1 D instead? Skjei is exempt. McDonagh is the only D I would protect.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

"Stepan for Jonas Brodin, Alex Tuch",

That's imo atrocious value for Stepan, i wouldn't touch this with a ten foot pole.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

This is somewhat more sensible, however....

Graves is inching closer to making it to the NHL. He is a big body and is a pretty decent prospect. I think within the next year or two he will be way more valuable than Jason Demers while also being cheaper. Just stay the course.

Cant they protect 9 skaters and 1 D instead? Skjei is exempt. McDonagh is the only D I would protect.

No, it's either 7-3-1 or 8-1.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

No incentive for Panthers to trade Demers/Pysyk for scraps or pure prospects, it's cheaper to make a deal with Vegas to not take Pysyk/Petrovic.

 

[Ghost of jas]

So, it's better to give away assets, than get assets back?

 

[RGY]

So let them do that. I'd rather invest money elsewhere and let Graves, Bereglazov, Pionk, etc fight it out then pay $4.5 million to Demers for the next 4 years which ends when he is 32.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

I'd be happy with getting Demers, cheaper and less risky then Shattenkirk. Less offense though obviously but we'd manage i think.

 

[Griffinbw]

Crazy scenario:
Stepan to Buffalo for Reinhardt + First.
Nash to Dallas for Eakin + 16th
Hayes + 2nd to Montreal for Galchenyuk
Sign Shattenkirk
Fast lost to LV


Galchenyuk-Zibanejad-Reinhardt
Kreider-Eakin-Zucc
Vesey-Hayes-Miller
Grabner-Lindberg-Buch


McD-Shatt
Skjei-Smith
Staal-Bereglazov
Holden

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Crazy scenario:
Stepan to Buffalo for Reinhardt + First.
Nash to Dallas for Eakin + 16th
Hayes + 2nd to Montreal for Galchenyuk
Sign Shattenkirk
Fast lost to LV


Galchenyuk-Zibanejad-Reinhardt
Kreider-Eakin-Zucc
Vesey-Hayes-Miller
Grabner-Lindberg-Buch


McD-Shatt
Skjei-Smith
Staal-Bryglazov
Holden

I think all those trades are extremely NYR biased.

 

[bernmeister]

I don't get why so many in here want to use Raanta + #21 to move up in the draft, we need to add picks not move up in a draft where every prospect in the 5-25 range is interchangeable pretty much.

Use Raanta to add picks, not to trade up... In general trading up is bad value, very few circumstances where it's good to trade up.

Trade Raanta for picks/prospects and trade down from #21 unless we get a dropper that's very high up our list available at #21.

So much logical thinking missing from these boards

that's a fair ?.
Ans:
if we get close enough, we can command a significantly better asset

I don't believe AZ even considers Chychrun but dropping less than 10 from 7 to 16 + Stepan makes it plausible.

Chychrun would be a significant add, then we can go Cody Glass or Tim Lifggjren sp?

Better net result is not illogical

 

[Griffinbw]

I think all those trades are extremely NYR biased.

How so?
Eakin has been a major disappointment in Dallas. Value in the toilet (12P in 60 games)

Reinhardt is unproven, may not get the first but I can't imagine they turn down something slightly less than that.
The Hayes trade is a major win for NYR. But MTL needs a young center, and no one else is selling (at a reasonable price, not including Colorado)

 

[offdacrossbar]

"Stepan for Jonas Brodin, Alex Tuch",

That's imo atrocious value for Stepan, i wouldn't touch this with a ten foot pole.

no interest in brodin. he's meh to me and he's a lefty.

dumba i want. nice combo of skill, skating and edge. plus he's got a right handed bomb.

tuch is going to be a monster. hell take some time but the kid has sublime hands, actually skates really well and knows where to go and how to score when he gets there. he's legit.

i also love kunin and kaprizov.

theres a deal here with minny. step makes sense for them given their center situation and dumba slots in nicely into our top 4.

add one of those 3 above and it makes both dollars and sense.

the 6.5 AAV for step going forward wit his movement clause makes me queasy. time to move on step is now.

 

[NYR Viper]

There weren't rumors of them trading for a center when their second line C went down with an injury last year. Why would there be this year?

The team would be without Stepan.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

How so?
Eakin has been a major disappointment in Dallas. Value in the toilet (12P in 60 games)

Reinhardt is unproven, may not get the first but I can't imagine they turn down something slightly less than that.
The Hayes trade is a major win for NYR. But MTL needs a young center, and no one else is selling (at a reasonable price, not including Colorado)

Because i think it's unreasonable to expect to get #16 for Nash with no retention, then you add Eakin too who while not good doesn't have negative value either.

Reinhart is unproven but it's still an early 1st + a recent top 5 pick for Stepan, very bad for Sabres.

And the Hayes trade doesn't really do anything for Habs.

 

[Griffinbw]

Because i think it's unreasonable to expect to get #16 for Nash with no retention, then you add Eakin too who while not good doesn't have negative value either.

Reinhart is unproven but it's still an early 1st + a recent top 5 pick for Stepan, very bad for Sabres.

And the Hayes trade doesn't really do anything for Habs.

Hayes trade gets the habs a center. No matter what we see, they don't see Galchenyuk as a center.

Eakin moves because of his cap hit. 2 years @4M and he's not doing anything for them. I still think he could be a solid 2C/3C, but I don't think they see that at the time.

The Reinhardt deal is also cap related. Both Eichel and reinhart are due for big deals next year. Both are primarily centers, with Ryan O Reilly already taking in 7.5 AAV on their top line. I can't imagine them being able to afford both, along with giving Lehner a deal this year.