Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXVI: It's All Happening

[ManUtdTobbe]

Yeah, i stand by that all 3 trades are insanely NYR biased.

 

[Lion Hound]

Surprised at the amount of trade proposals that include Brady Skjei. He checks nearly all of the boxes that you want in a defenseman in todays NHL.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Surprised at the amount of trade proposals that include Brady Skjei. He checks nearly all of the boxes that you want in a defenseman in todays NHL.

Don't think anyone WANTS to trade Skjei, but he's interesting in that, as you say, he checks all the boxes.
When you then add the fact that he's expansion draft exempt you get a player with an extremely high theoretical trade value, that's interesting to discuss imo.

 

[silverfish]

Surprised at the amount of trade proposals that include Brady Skjei. He checks nearly all of the boxes that you want in a defenseman in todays NHL.

Nobody wants to do it, but all things considered
- cost-controlled
- expansion exempt
- good

The discrepancy between his actual value and his market value will never again be as high as it is right now. Of course, all the things above make him exceptionally valuable to the Rangers as well.

It's just a market thing. Not a thing people want to do.

 

[1Knee1T]

Would you guys do Stepan for Dumba + Greenway? Could Greenway turn into a Hornqvist like player for us?

 

[bernmeister]

I haven't seen Tanev play so I can't get into value, guess that's where some of you can come in. Vancouver wants a young center back, if they would take Hayes that would work as far as positional moves. Then, assuming Lindberg isn't taken by Vegas, he can slot into the 3rd line center. Keep Stepan unless you have a 1st line center coming in.

edit: in fact, we have the open protection slot on d. Moving out Hayes opens the slot for Lindberg or Fast.

Certain things have to be acknowledged, like it or not.
RB says now is the time to move both McD + Zuc b'c of financial issues imminent, plus selling price is better now, not as vets get older

Stepan MUST be moved before that NMC kicks in.
If not we will be at his mercy if we are going to make a deal
WAKE UP AND GET REAL
Stepan gets moved for sure, for the best deal, whatever it is.
No possible justification for him to stay
Build, damn it, stop with win now mentality.

I would never, absolutely never trade Hayes or Miller for Jason Demers. Gross overpayment for a #4 defenseman

Agreed
Demers may be more but JTM-HK is way too much

It would appear Florida is going to have issues with protcting D-men. I wouldn't give up a piece as valuabe as Miller or Hayes for Demers. I'd offer Graves, and maybe another prospect, and take back Demers. The Rangers are a team with a valuable spot open on D during the expansion draft and I expect Gorton to use it to his benefit.

Not moving Graves who I suspect is on the cusp and would make the team this yr

If we're calling Florida, I'd much rather it be about Pysyk than Demers.

Though, I often wonder how much better last year's team would've been had they listened to me and bought G out, and signed Demers

SF, you're creative!
Plan: move MS for 2 righties, Pysyk AND Demers
The trick is, what acceptable payment/or even overpayment can we make to pull that off BUT DOING SO IN ACCEPTABLE CURRENCY FOR NYR

If FL drops 2 backliners for 1 that gets them down to only 3 they have to protect for xpdrft [Ekblad, Yandle, Staal]

Maybe something around
partly reduced Staal + Tambellini + Kovack + 2 3rds
for
Pysyk + Demers

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

"Stepan MUST be moved before that NMC kicks in.
If not we will be at his mercy if we are going to make a deal
WAKE UP AND GET REAL
Stepan gets moved for sure, for the best deal, whatever it is.
No possible justification for him to stay
Build, damn it, stop with win now mentality."

This is just stupid, he's got an NMC for _2_ years then it's a limited no clause and the contract ends just as he turns 31.

His contract is not an issue and not a reason to trade him.

If we can find a good deal for him then yes, trade him, but don't trade him just to trade him just because he's got a no trade clause coming up, that's stupid.

 

[McD37]

I wonder about Nash to Florida. They have need for top6 winger, have money to take full Nash cap hit. I guess Tallon likes Nash. Would something like Nash for Pysyk, 2nd, prospect make sense for both teams?

 

[bernmeister]

Nobody wants to do it, but all things considered
- cost-controlled
- expansion exempt
- good

The discrepancy between his actual value and his market value will never again be as high as it is right now. Of course, all the things above make him exceptionally valuable to the Rangers as well.

It's just a market thing. Not a thing people want to do.

100% accurate.
However, also true, is replacement cost, esp if we are more obliged to move McD. Thus should only move Skjei in a MacKinnon type scenario, which is not happening --- we think.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

no interest in brodin. he's meh to me and he's a lefty.

dumba i want. nice combo of skill, skating and edge. plus he's got a right handed bomb.

tuch is going to be a monster. hell take some time but the kid has sublime hands, actually skates really well and knows where to go and how to score when he gets there. he's legit.

i also love kunin and kaprizov.

theres a deal here with minny. step makes sense for them given their center situation and dumba slots in nicely into our top 4.

add one of those 3 above and it makes both dollars and sense.

the 6.5 AAV for step going forward wit his movement clause makes me queasy. time to move on step is now.

2 years of a full NTC and 2 years of a limited NTC for a 27 year old make you queasy? Come on.

 

[silverfish]

100% accurate.
However, also true, is replacement cost, esp if we are more obliged to move McD. Thus should only move Skjei in a MacKinnon type scenario, which is not happening --- we think.

Right. I can't believe I agree with you, bern

I'd move Skjei in a major 'ripoff' trade and only in a 'ripoff' trade. Skjei for MacKinnon. Skjei for Trouba.

Otherwise, I'm very happy to keep Skjei a Ranger for a long time.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

I wonder about Nash to Florida. They have need for top6 winger, have money to take full Nash cap hit. I guess Tallon likes Nash. Would something like Nash for Pysyk, 2nd, prospect make sense for both teams?

Obviously depends how Tallon/Florida values Nash but i'd love a deal around Nash and Pysyk/Demers/Petrovic. Doubt we'd get extra futures without retaining though, if even then.

Definitely something to explore though if ur Gorton.

 

[Procrastinator]

Surprised at the amount of trade proposals that include Brady Skjei. He checks nearly all of the boxes that you want in a defenseman in todays NHL.

Yeah. I'm quite confused aswell with all these Brady offers.

After all he is the best thing that happened to the Rangers since drafting Hank and signing zucc.

And btw way. You guys don't give enough credit to fast. I'd expose Hayes before fast. For a guy who wins the team player award 2 years in a row people surly seem to want to protect lingberg over fast. Meanwhile the guy showed more heart then 90% of the team in the playoffs. Very weird.

 

[bernmeister]

"Stepan MUST be moved before that NMC kicks in.
If not we will be at his mercy if we are going to make a deal
WAKE UP AND GET REAL
Stepan gets moved for sure, for the best deal, whatever it is.
No possible justification for him to stay
Build, damn it, stop with win now mentality."

This is just stupid, he's got an NMC for _2_ years then it's a limited no clause and the contract ends just as he turns 31.

His contract is not an issue and not a reason to trade him.

If we can find a good deal for him then yes, trade him, but don't trade him just to trade him just because he's got a no trade clause coming up, that's stupid.

disagree, I don't care how long it is, we can not allow any of these restrictions to tie Gorton's hands any more than is avoidably necessary.

Stepan WILL go. Now.

 

[offdacrossbar]

2 years of a full NTC and 2 years of a limited NTC for a 27 year old make you queasy? Come on.

if you believe that what we saw end of season and in the playoffs will continue.

yes

once he starts putting up 3C numbers, that deal will begin to resemble the nash deal and that is quease worthy.

were trying to get better, cheaper, faster and more productive.

stepan's in play for that reason.

 

[Alluckks]

If Stepan isn't moved then Bern might just lose it - proposals about Sather making payments on his house and whatnot

 

[bernmeister]

Right. I can't believe I agree with you, bern

I'd move Skjei in a major 'ripoff' trade and only in a 'ripoff' trade. Skjei for MacKinnon. Skjei for Trouba.

Otherwise, I'm very happy to keep Skjei a Ranger for a long time.

Believe it!
We do have many difs of op, but also many pts of agreement

 

[bernmeister]

if you believe that what we saw end of season and in the playoffs will continue.

yes

once he starts putting up 3C numbers, that deal will begin to resemble the nash deal and that is quease worthy.

were trying to get better, cheaper, faster and more productive.

stepan's in play for that reason.

Thank you!

 

[McD37]

Obviously depends how Tallon/Florida values Nash but i'd love a deal around Nash and Pysyk/Demers/Petrovic. Doubt we'd get extra futures without retaining though, if even then.

Definitely something to explore though if ur Gorton.

I think Tallon may love what Nash brings whereas he may not value Pysyk as much as analytics do. Even if Pysyk(other D) is not involved, Nash to Florida makes sense. I can see them being interested in Eberle as well.

 

[bernmeister]

Crazy scenario:
Stepan to Buffalo for Reinhardt + First.
Nash to Dallas for Eakin + 16th
Hayes + 2nd to Montreal for Galchenyuk
Sign Shattenkirk
Fast lost to LV


Galchenyuk-Zibanejad-Reinhardt
Kreider-Eakin-Zucc
Vesey-Hayes-Miller
Grabner-Lindberg-Buch


McD-Shatt
Skjei-Smith
Staal-Bereglazov
Holden

Not a fit for Sabes
given the choice, they instead add and do Rein for Hanifin

The deal for Reinhart is
SR + EKane + 8OA + Wild 2nd
for
McD at half + Zuc + Halverson + 16OA*

*acquired for Raanta + 21OA

 

[TheTakedown]

This is somewhat more sensible, however....

Graves is inching closer to making it to the NHL. He is a big body and is a pretty decent prospect. I think within the next year or two he will be way more valuable than Jason Demers while also being cheaper. Just stay the course.

Cant they protect 9 skaters and 1 D instead? Skjei is exempt. McDonagh is the only D I would protect.

We need to sticky the expansion rules or something...

7F+3D+1G
OR
8S+1G

*S = skaters

 

[TheTakedown]

Right. I can't believe I agree with you, bern

I'd move Skjei in a major 'ripoff' trade and only in a 'ripoff' trade. Skjei for MacKinnon. Skjei for Trouba.

Otherwise, I'm very happy to keep Skjei a Ranger for a long time.

Yeah, I'm on board with this type of thinking too.

 

[Griffinbw]

How do you guys like Myers out of Winnipeg? Can't imagine he'd cost much considering they're currently in the 8 skaters model (protecting Byfuglien, Trouba, Enstrom, Myers)

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The Rangers need to rebuild. Bob McKenzie said "transition to a younger team". Rebuilding is not tanking on purpose. The Rangers need to be smart and patient. Don't tell me it's not possible when you hear and read Phil Jackson say the Knicks are rebuilding. They are not winning next year or the following year. Larry Brooks reported the Rangers would listen to offers for Henrik Lundqvist or they would approach him about waiving if there is/was a deal to be made or another team inquired. That was not the case in previous years. Keep the picks. Add more picks. Scout. Draft. Develop players. Smart. Patient. The quick fix route never works. It only prolongs the problem. 6-7 years for Shattenkirk. In which season of the contract does this board start complaining about Shattenkirk's bad play and what a terrible signing it has become? Elliotte Friedman said he thinks the Rangers will go young. That's the smart play. If the Rangers trade Stepan for a deal which does not include a center or it includes a young center,are the Rangers in position to win next season? Don't tell me the Rangers will sign 40 year old Joe Thornton coming off ACL surgery or trade for a one year stop gap because the Rangers aren't winning. If the Flyers had the Rangers roster and prospect list,we say the Flyers are screwed. They bite the bullet on Girardi. Addition by subtraction.

Wait what?

When did this happen.

 

[offdacrossbar]

I think Tallon may love what Nash brings whereas he may not value Pysyk as much as analytics do. Even if Pysyk(other D) is not involved, Nash to Florida makes sense. I can see them being interested in Eberle as well.

pysyk makes everyone he plays with better.

hes a solid 2nd line defender and a good 2nd option to smith signing with the laughs