Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXVI: It's All Happening

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We have to protect girardi bc of the NMC. We want Vegas to take Holden over our other exposed players.

I think Montreal wants to resign radulov despite that quote from Bergeron. They may also take a run at kovalchuk. That makes Galchenyuk expendable and one of their more sensible trade chips when you factor in their desire to go for it now, cap, and performance. Not saying he's bad, but he's not a center answer, redundant at wing if the chips fall right for them and not good with the defense.
 
You keep tossing out this trade as if it makes sense for Sharks... It doesnt... Also, Bergman isn't very good so so him being on an ELC doesn't really matter.
Bergman is solid value for a 2nd round pick that he was. Probably ready for a cup of coffee this year. Not a reach/likely fail like Kovacs, Tambellini, etc. Not saying obvious guarantee, but odds are better than not.

The Sharks have no interest in Nash. He doesn't fit their needs at all. I don't know who penned this fable, but it's a fable.

Don't be so sure.

I'd rather have Jeremy Roy than Bergman. Cap relief might be in the form of Mikkel Boedker.

I've mentioned Nash to SJ for Boedker + prospects in the past.

A similar variation of this deal which had more b'c it was for more than just last yr of Nash and had immediate cap issues was approved overwhelmingly by both fan bases.
No reason to expect this, which seeks less, would not be acceptable to SJ. Sharks wanna put the band together for the last hurrah, and getting Nash to go w/Thorn-meister and Marleau is short term sense. They can afford at present to eat the 7m dif, and that is fine for us in lieu of Sharks sending more assets.
Did/do not want Boedker unless required as cap dump, which it is not here.


Sergachev just got Drouin.
Imagine what we can get for Skjei...
We should move McD + Zuc as RangerBoy noted b'c now, w/only 2 years each on the terms of their deals, is the time to sell high.

Skjei should not be dealt 'cause we would have to replace him.:amazed:

That said however, even w/McD dealt, I would move Skjei in a deal for MacKinnon. bonafide exception to the rule, gives us counterplay vs sid + banged up Gino.


Going to have to be more than that. MacKinnon is Crosby/McDavid light at 21 years old. Going to take a haul to Sakic to get him.

This pretty much and you know what that makes us? The 2016-2017 Avalanche but hey at least we "tank" for a generational talent but then we probably don't win the draft lottery.
Skjei and buch should be untouchable especially the former considering this defense doesn't have the luxury of giving up their best young defenseman who's cost controlled

They're not similar.
Mackinnon is much quicker with the puck on his stick. He has legitimate end to end ability every time he touches the puck. Short of McDavid, no one in the league is faster in this regard.

Drouin does not have that ability. Mackinnon is a superior player and I don't really see how this is even a discussion.

JD has become a top 3 overrated player on this site in the last 2 pages.

IMO, it would take massive overpayment of
Stepan + Skjei + Buch
for
MacKinnon
a 2nd and two 3rds.


Random thought here but Kreider-Zib-MacKinnon would be a line I'd love to see

If we actually pony up for MacK, he better be playing center

IMO, while we can kick the tires with an open mind, no ?, Kreider + MacK as elite bookends would be beyond beyond awesome.
The only ? is the best C.
Zib is fast enough, and possibly strongest w/a great shot.
Miller is tough enough, but faster

If we do my deal and get Sam Reinhart, eventually he may be the best fit.


I know most of you might think this is a dumb question but doesn't Stepan's NTC kicking in make him harder to deal? Do other teams think he's worth trading for? He had a terrible year last year and am wondering if that hurt his trade value.
My understanding is it is as restrictive as a NMC, but it doesn't kick in until whatever that date is, I think July 1, and if he is traded before that, which Rangers are fully empowered to do, it means that clause was never activated. It also means that since it was not in force when Rangers move him to a trade partner, that partner is likewise not beholden to recognize the clause.

So if he is traded now, it is no big whoop for us or the acquiring club.
If the inmates get control of the asylum and he goes on or past that date, he will have WAY too much control/leverage.

Buh-bye DS
 
Derek Stepan is incapable of skating like Connor McDavid. He is not physically capable of it, wouldn't beat McDavid in a skating race in 20 tries, unless McDavid fell down.

Its one thing to be a little faster on one shift or a little slower. That comes and goes depending on many things, but only great skaters can skate great, even if its one play.

didn't you mean 'even if'?:laugh::laugh::laugh:


We have to protect girardi bc of the NMC. We want Vegas to take Holden over our other exposed players.

I think Montreal wants to resign radulov despite that quote from Bergeron. They may also take a run at kovalchuk. That makes Galchenyuk expendable and one of their more sensible trade chips when you factor in their desire to go for it now, cap, and performance. Not saying he's bad, but he's not a center answer, redundant at wing if :yo:the chips fall right for them and not good with the defense.

Ruling please? I would think whole pt of buying G out now instead of trying to trade him on July 1 is to recover a protection space.

I would think G is a total UFA right now, not Ranger property, not obliged to have to protect.
Correct?
 
I'd rather put Zucc at C than relying on Galchenyuk replacing Stepan at c
 
that would be back to back good trades by the habs, i'm not liking this

Hjalmarsson is over 30, i think that would be a dumb trade for Habs.
Yes, Hjalmarsson is elite defensively, but for how much longer? And he doesn't provide any offense, meanwhile Galchenyuk is very good and has upside.
 
It sure seems the Habs are looking to contend right now. A team in transition like the Rangers who are looking to get younger should take advantage.
 
I've not seen any confirmation that NYR has filed the paperwork to buy Girardi out yet, hence he's still NYR property and needs to be protected.
Still have a few days to go so this can be corrected.
 
Ok so if the Stepan trade is for a center (ala Brassard deal), and we get a pick back, I'm thinking that leaves a door open to move Staal. If Staal can be traded (with a first), our backend could finish this offseason substantially better
McD-Shatty (maybe?)
Skjei-Smith

3rd pair is up in the air. I expect Bereglazov to be included after watching him a bit in the KHL. Good poise + hands. Should be great on the 3s. I'm unsure who out of our recent signees could be his partner. Day? Pionk? Days size and skating may pair well with Bereglazov. Not too familiar with Pionk.

On the other hand, if Stepan is dealt for Dumba/Vat/Trouba/???, a Staal trade could still be possible. Staal+21st for some sort of depth center possibly? Unsure who can provide and is willing to take Staal. Eakin out of Dallas possibly? Coyle? Granlund (due for a payday and Minnesota already has a ton of cap held at center)?

Thoughts?
 
Chicago loves hammer but he might be a cap casualty. Why trade him for a guy making $1.3m less? They would need to get rid of Panarin or Hossa to just eek out a team. And then return to cap hell when Galchenyuk needs a new contract.

Edit: they are $4.5m over the cap. Allegedly Kruger and tvr go to vegas, that's a hair under $4m. This trade means they need to replace 2 defenseman and put Galchenyuk at center if anisimov is the casualty. Or they are worse if Panarin goes. Hossa won't be tradeable with his cap penalty. They'll kill any cap savings trying to plug holes.
 
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im just thoroughly confused by our position right now... I know the goal is to get younger blah blah blah. but what are we doing? are we trying to do that through trades and blowing it up. or does that just mean play it conservative and build in the draft while our team stays mainly the same. Rebuild, Retool, or ReTeam?
 
I've not seen any confirmation that NYR has filed the paperwork to buy Girardi out yet, hence he's still NYR property and needs to be protected.
Still have a few days to go so this can be corrected.

The team announced they were buying him out, it's as official as it's going to get and they're not going to be protecting him
 
Nothing from Anaheim or Florida. Two teams who have defensemen in sure they don't want to lose. I find it hard to believe ANA 1st in 2018 is enough to give Vegas to not select Manson or Vatanen. Both would return more than that in a trade.
 
Which is right now.

What has galcenyuck shown to deserve a fat contract? are we supposed to believe two coaches continually put him on the 4th line because theyre dumb and hes a elite player? No theres a reason why he got the treatment he did. I look at him and only see red flags.. We can only afford to get him if its on the cheap. we can't over pay for him and his risk
 
What has galcenyuck shown to deserve a fat contract? are we supposed to believe two coaches continually put him on the 4th line because theyre dumb and hes a elite player? No theres a reason why he got the treatment he did. I look at him and only see red flags.. We can only afford to get him if its on the cheap. we can't over pay for him and his risk

Once again, unsure whether it was coaches or from above, but otherwise completely agree. No matter where he ends up he probably gets some sort of bridge. He's what? 24. Plenty of time to prove himself.
 
im just thoroughly confused by our position right now... I know the goal is to get younger blah blah blah. but what are we doing? are we trying to do that through trades and blowing it up. or does that just mean play it conservative and build in the draft while our team stays mainly the same. Rebuild, Retool, or ReTeam?

Until we see a few more deals go through we won't see the direction of many teams. It's clear what Montreal is doing. So far, that's it.
 
im just thoroughly confused by our position right now... I know the goal is to get younger blah blah blah. but what are we doing? are we trying to do that through trades and blowing it up. or does that just mean play it conservative and build in the draft while our team stays mainly the same. Rebuild, Retool, or ReTeam?

They're trying to re-make their defense IMO, but I don't know where they go with their forwards especially if they trade Stepan. I think they want to contend sooner rather than later but the offseason is still young so we'll see what gets done.

I think they do not want to get caught out in a situation where they have older guys on big contracts and they can't bring in new younger talent which is why you're hearing about Stepan being shopped. He's not old but maybe they feel they want ot keep a window open for long enough they they're conerned his age might be a factor later on
 
The team announced they were buying him out, it's as official as it's going to get and they're not going to be protecting him

Yes, they're buying him out, but what i'm saying is that we don't know if he's getting bought out before the ED.
If he's not then he has to be protected unless the NHL makes up a new rule for just this case.
I'm not sure why NYR would wait but maybe there would be a logical reason to do it, i'm not sure.
 
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