Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXV: Marc Staal... Come on Down!!!

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If there was really a thing called magic and Rangers could rid themselves of the 30+ defensemen club I was looking at what is left over and I like it. There would be some major growing pains to deal with, but it can't be worse than what was already there.

We'll have to see what the prospects look like in camp and assume if NYR could get rid of the others, they could sign Smith.

McDonagh - Skjei
Graves - Smith
Bereglazov - Zborovsky
Kampfer/Pionk/Pedrie
 
Yes, and do you know what else changed? They got a bunch of new players in Hagelin, Kessel, Murray, Guentzel, Sheary, Bonino... Their team clicked and Sullivan deserves credit but to claim Sather made a mistake to let him go, is just wrong. Hindsight is 20/20, sure but Sullivan wouldn't have won anything here

Not to take anything away from Sully -- what coach winning don't have a good roster? -- but coaching with like 2 of the best 2 centers in the league differs a lot from not having those type of centers.

A successful team requires a lot, and one dysfunctional area would sink a team.

A -- huge -- aspect for any team is to have an ability to get up ice and be able to take the game to the other team. Having Crosby and Malkin, who both are fantastically good at driving the puck up ice, to a large extent more or less relieves the coach from having to take responsiblity in these areas. What Sully really deserves credit for is to be able to protect their blueline while not giving up too much offense.

But in the end the job description would be extremely different in NY compared to Pittsburgh. Think winning with Crosby and Malkin has no bearing on how a coach would do for a team like ours.

What on gods name has Torts done after being fired here? He is starting to have a really really deep team in CBJ -- haven't won a single PO series yet with them. Failed miserably in Vancouver. His job for the US in the world cup was a complete joke.
 
I remember seeing a tweet earlier today that said we aren't meeting the required rules for the expansion draft right now? And if so, we might be seeing some moves in the next 12-24 hours?

We will sign Puempel last second, unless we find a free back-up option.

We won't sign OL or Fast, Vegas is held back by only being able to pick 10 free agents in the expansion draft.

I can't believe that Pumper is exhorting Gorts for more than a couple of hundred K. What is he going to ask for, 3m? Would be down right dishonest and any agent would really burn his bridges. Bush-league.

OTOH, we have no reason to budge before the very last second.
 
Remember that before the ED assets that doesn't have to be exposed is in huge demand, and for many teams its tricky to pick up assets that have to be protected.

Some deals make more sense to make after the ED than before it.
 
Lost in all the Arniel/Ruff discussion out of Freidman's 30 thoughts, was this suggestion (I'm hoping he made this up):

As half the league swoops around Sami Vatanen, the Ducks are conscious of cap concerns. I’m not sure they wish to take a ton of salary back. Certainly, from a purely hockey point of view, a Vatanen-Jonathan Drouin deal makes sense, but not sure the Ducks can fit a new deal for the talented forward. They’ve got lots of options, tough.


I really hope that's just him spitballing, and not based on discussion here's hearing regarding the prices of Dmen. We can thank the Oilers for completely destroying the Dman market if so.
 
If the Girardi "news" (NTC) is true, we have 15 teams we could ask for a deal.

Therefore we have to buy-out Staal and then trade G when FA-time comes.

This is possible guys.
 
Good luck with that haha why are folks on here so obsessed with hoping the Ducks get screwed over? I will reciprocate by hoping the Rangers figure out their defense and win the East next year.

Nothing personal against Ducks, we just really want Josh Manson :)
 
Mock drafts have Liljegren falling, hopefully this is a indication of what will happen at the draft, target Buffalo, florida, or Carolinas first, add it draft Valimaki, if Liljegren is there at 16 trade 21st and Raanta to Calgary at grab him, trade for Trouba.. time for me to wake up from my dream...

Skeji-Trouba
Valimaki-Liljegren

future top 4
 
Good luck with that haha why are folks on here so obsessed with hoping the Ducks get screwed over? I will reciprocate by hoping the Rangers figure out their defense and win the East next year.

I harbor no true ill-will, but it's been a pet peeve of mine seeing how optimistic Ducks fans are that they'll get out of expansion with ease. That's all. And, I'm proud of Rangers fans for the understanding that we're screwed, and sort of buying into that despair.

Do you have an alert on posts that feature the word 'Duck', btw? You're always the first to quote me when I bring up the team :)
 
Nothing personal against Ducks, we just really want Josh Manson :)

Haha fair enough, at least you guys have a reason for it, for some folks it's just pure hate. PS yesterday Murray was quoted about wanting to get a Manson extension done soon, called him one of the pillars of our blueline or something like that.

I harbor no true ill-will, but it's been a pet peeve of mine seeing how optimistic Ducks fans are that they'll get out of expansion with ease. That's all. And, I'm proud of Rangers fans for the understanding that we're screwed, and sort of buying into that despair.

Do you have an alert on posts that feature the word 'Duck', btw? You're always the first to quote me when I bring up the team :)

Well as the person who started the "Ducks are in great shape for expansion", I think that really is the case. It really is just giving the team an excuse to deal from it's strength in puck moving D to add a young forward asset, something fans around here having been pushing for years anyway. All indications from the insiders are that Vatanen brings back a good young forward, and that's likely beneficial to the team expansion or not.

On Bieksa, I just see no reason not to believe he's going to waive. He has no reason not to, it helps the team for which he's trying to win a stanley cup, and in all reality there is zero risk of an expansion team wanting a 36 year old declining yet expensive bottom pairing D.

I think people were too quick to lump the Ducks in with teams like Minnesota, who are going to lose a good player even if they make a trade, without realizing that just one trade means a massive difference in what the Ducks are liable to lose to Vegas. If making moving one player who can be replaced from within, means we only lose a depth piece to Vegas, while adding some help up front and possibly saving a bit of cap space in the process...I fail to see any issue with that other than seeing Vats go because he's a beauty.

I've been bouncing around a few teams forums a lot lately looking for any links to Ducks related rumors, and like to chime in sometimes while I'm around. I find there's better conversation to be had in the team forums than on the main board where everything turns into a pissing contest.
 
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I can't believe that Pumper is exhorting Gorts for more than a couple of hundred K. What is he going to ask for, 3m? Would be down right dishonest and any agent would really burn his bridges. Bush-league.

It might be 2-way vs 1-way. If I'm Puempel, I would make sure to get a 1-way deal. He has some leverage right now. Why not use it? He'd be stupid not to. I'm sure that's what his agent is telling him.

If they can't get a deal with Puempel, they will probably have to sign Glass, assuming he would agree to it. It's not like Vegas is going to take him, but he may be wary of getting stuck in the minors again.
 
Puempel is in a great negotiating spot, if i'm Gorton i just offer him a 1-way $1.025m 1 year contract. That's the maximum amount you can bury in the AHL next season.

That's a win/win for everyone imo. I doubt Puempel would decline that and it wont hurt NYR at all.
 
Well as the person who started the "Ducks are in great shape for expansion", I think that really is the case. It really is just giving the team an excuse to deal from it's strength in puck moving D to add a young forward asset, something fans around here having been pushing for years anyway. All indications from the insiders are that Vatanen brings back a good young forward, and that's likely beneficial to the team expansion or not.

On Bieksa, I just see no reason not to believe he's going to waive. He has no reason not to, it helps the team for which he's trying to win a stanley cup, and in all reality there is zero risk of an expansion team wanting a 36 year old declining yet expensive bottom pairing D.

I think people were too quick to lump the Ducks in with teams like Minnesota, who are going to lose a good player even if they make a trade, without realizing that just one trade means a massive difference in what the Ducks are liable to lose to Vegas. If making moving one player who can be replaced from within, means we only lose a depth piece to Vegas, while adding some help up front and possibly saving a bit of cap space in the process...I fail to see any issue with that other than seeing Vats go because he's a beauty.

I've been bouncing around a few teams forums a lot lately looking for any links to Ducks related rumors, and like to chime in sometimes while I'm around. I find there's better conversation to be had in the team forums than on the main board where everything turns into a pissing contest.

This is all very fair, but I think your glasses are a little more rose-colored because you're a fan of the team.

The way I like to think about it is to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. Mainly, being that there are probably what, 20 teams where one trade can make a massive difference. So it's easy to go "tunnel-vision" and say, well, my team need only do this to avoid losing a good player in expansion, and we can make a trade to make our team better.

But imagine, instead, of just looking at your team, you looked at the 19 other teams that also felt that way. There's no way that 20 teams are going to be able to wheel and deal to avoid losing a big piece. Imagine reading every single trade all those teams needed to make. You'd read a post that long and say "no way all this happens, a few of these teams aren't going to get out of expansion without hurting".

Further, what can be said about Bieksa can also be said about Staal and Girardi, right?

On Bieksa, I just see no reason not to believe he's going to waive. He has no reason not to, it helps the team for which he's trying to win a stanley cup, and in all reality there is zero risk of an expansion team wanting a 36 year old declining yet expensive bottom pairing D.

Just replace '36 year old' with '33' and '30'. There's no chance LVGK selects Staal or G, but everyone understands that the Rangers both will not ask them to waive, nor would they if asked, most likely, even though it's the "right" move, it's not going to happen.

So. For my personal pettiness, I'm hoping Bieksa doesn't waive. But, it's not like I'd be heartbroken if you're right, and the Ducks are the kings of expansion either, as again, I harbor no ill-will towards your franchise.
 
So Pittsburgh won another Cup. Wonderful. I have seen the Devils go from a Mickey Mouse organization to winning 3 Cups. Should have been four. Fifth Cup for Pittsburgh. The Rangers have won once.
 
This is all very fair, but I think your glasses are a little more rose-colored because you're a fan of the team.

The way I like to think about it is to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. Mainly, being that there are probably what, 20 teams where one trade can make a massive difference. So it's easy to go "tunnel-vision" and say, well, my team need only do this to avoid losing a good player in expansion, and we can make a trade to make our team better.

But imagine, instead, of just looking at your team, you looked at the 19 other teams that also felt that way. There's no way that 20 teams are going to be able to wheel and deal to avoid losing a big piece. Imagine reading every single trade all those teams needed to make. You'd read a post that long and say "no way all this happens, a few of these teams aren't going to get out of expansion without hurting".

Further, what can be said about Bieksa can also be said about Staal and Girardi, right?



Just replace '36 year old' with '33' and '30'. There's no chance LVGK selects Staal or G, but everyone understands that the Rangers both will not ask them to waive, nor would they if asked, most likely, even though it's the "right" move, it's not going to happen.

So. For my personal pettiness, I'm hoping Bieksa doesn't waive. But, it's not like I'd be heartbroken if you're right, and the Ducks are the kings of expansion either, as again, I harbor no ill-will towards your franchise.

Everything I've read from the more credible insiders/talking heads makes me confident that there's a strong market for Vatanen. Those same folks are also speaking of the Bieksa situations as an inevitability. It's tough to not be fairly optimistic about the entire situation, when the only talk of the Ducks being painted into a corner that I've seen at all has come from other teams fans.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/insider-trading-teams-are-lining-up-for-vatanen~1141351 (Ducks stuff starts just after the 1:00 mark)

Lebrun almost perfectly echoes what Ducks fans have been saying all along, I just don't see a reason to think we are about to get screwed over.
 
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