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Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXV: Marc Staal... Come on Down!!!

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ManUtdTobbe said:
We probably could have gotten a pick from someone but it would have been a late pick and we're not sure Gorton was even looking to trade him, i think this is good for us.

Good luck to Klein if this is what he wants to do.
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Yeah, this is good logic. Tradeoff is fine. He's off the team, which is good.
 
silverfish said:
Doesn't make sense to me. Obviously everyone has different priorities, and maybe he's done with the NHL life and is more suited for retirement/one-year in Europe or something like that...

I have a hard time believing the Rangers wouldn't be able to trade him to a team that could use him, though. It's not an ugly contract. One year left at $2.9m.

But hey, if that's what he wants to do, that's what he wants to do. Who am I to judge.
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Maybe the Rangers have tried looking and there aren't any takers. Not that difficult to believe, actually.
 
buyouts, retirements, expansion drafts, trades, free agency. This is shaping up to be the most exciting off season yet. So if the lists have to be submitted by Saturday, does that mean the trades will be announced before then? I can't see how the lists can be made public and it's like, oh, by the way, your team traded and acquired all these players and there are all these under the table deals with LV that no one knows about.
 
3M would go a long way to helping our cap situation this year.. so would buying out Staal and trading Holden as well tho...
 
Think this mean Girardi stays for at least one more year. He can plug in on the 3rd pairing and pk.

I think it's much more important to move staal, somehow.

-longer contract
-bigger cap hit
-plays on the d side that is an organizational strength
 
Still no real rumors or trades. Seems like the insiders claims of major movement is ********. I know many think it may be more likely later in the week but my question is, why? Teams have been talking for weeks. If something were happening don't you think there would at least be murmurs? Small deals?
 
bleedblue94 said:
Think this mean Girardi stays for at least one more year. He can plug in on the 3rd pairing and pk.

I think it's much more important to move staal, somehow.

-longer contract
-bigger cap hit
-plays on the d side that is an organizational strength
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This shouldn't change anything at all. Girardi is as much of a problem with or without Klein. The plan to buyout Girardi has been in the works since 1-2 years ago. Gorton wanted to grind another year off of Girardi's contract while waiting patiently for the right side to be loaded with capable replacements before he buys out Girardi. There's no point of buying out Girardi if management doesn't think anyone is capable of truly taking over his vacant spot for the long haul. Now we have bear gloves and Pionk that could use that vacant spot to become a part of the core going forward. Klein was already gone last December if management knew about the condition of his back. They were also prepared to have Klein exposed and picked by LV last summer.
 
NYR Viper said:
Still no real rumors or trades. Seems like the insiders claims of major movement is ********. I know many think it may be more likely later in the week but my question is, why? Teams have been talking for weeks. If something were happening don't you think there would at least be murmurs? Small deals?
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no one wants to show their hand. Revealing deals with Vegas affects leverage a lot. Every GM is under some kind of pressure due to the expansion draft. Having removed the pressure or having a different pressure point can spin some real interesting twists in negotiations. ANA is under pressure with protecting their D. The organization plus Bieksa's agent were both mum about even a tiny detail of whether or not he's been asked by the Ducks to waive his NMC. There's a deal in place with LV to somehow protect Manson from being picked. This changes the way the Ducks can deal with 29 other teams.
 
Roster freeze is June 22nd... Buyout period starts June 15th. also the lists for expansion have to be in by that date I believe?
 
What would it take to get VGK to take Staal? I know Staal can say "I don't wanna go" but if the NYR tell him he will be a 7th d or play 15 mins would he accept that?
 
Lundsanity30 said:
Roster freeze is June 22nd... Buyout period starts June 15th. also the lists for expansion have to be in by that date I believe?
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Protection lists are due Friday, IIRC. Lists will be revealed in Saturday.

Or was it due Saturday, revealed Sunday...
 
Anthony5967 said:
What would it take to get VGK to take Staal? I know Staal can say "I don't wanna go" but if the NYR tell him he will be a 7th d or play 15 mins would he accept that?
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Friedman said LV and CBJ have been working on something to take Clarkson and his $5.25M cap hit that lasts for 3 more season with a NMC/NTC which is almost identical to Girardi except for $250,000 AAV and potentially a different NTC from Girardi's 15 team no-trade list. The LV bad contract open house for a 1st round pick rumors is likely stemming from this type of discussion with Columbus and a few other teams. Now imagine Staal's contract. $5,700,000 compared to Clarkson's $5,250,000. Staal has 4 years left instead of 3. Staal has NMC for all of his remaining 4 years and Clarkson only have 3 years of NMC/NTC. LV is likely willing to just sit on those contract until they end since they're not looking to truly be competitive for 3 years anyway.

CBJ's 1st is right around our value for our 1st. Ours will probably be higher than theirs next year but Staal's contract is much worse. I don't think Vegas is going to give us the same value as CBJ for a worse contract and bank on the fact that we're likely going to finish lower on the standings and end up with a low 20 pick instead of a high 20 pick.

Staal, NYR 1st, NYR 3rd/4th?
 
Irishguy42 said:
Protection lists are due Friday, IIRC. Lists will be revealed in Saturday.

Or was it due Saturday, revealed Sunday...
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after Saturday no trades can happen til the 22nd after the expansion draft

so....... either not much is gonna happen or we're going to see a wave of trades this week
 
Lorb said:
Friedman said LV and CBJ have been working on something to take Clarkson and his $5.25M cap hit that lasts for 3 more season with a NMC/NTC which is almost identical to Girardi except for $250,000 AAV and potentially a different NTC from Girardi's 15 team no-trade list. The LV bad contract open house for a 1st round pick rumors is likely stemming from this type of discussion with Columbus and a few other teams. Now imagine Staal's contract. $5,700,000 compared to Clarkson's $5,250,000. Staal has 4 years left instead of 3. Staal has NMC for all of his remaining 4 years and Clarkson only have 3 years of NMC/NTC. LV is likely willing to just sit on those contract until they end since they're not looking to truly be competitive for 3 years anyway.

CBJ's 1st is right around our value for our 1st. Ours will probably be higher than theirs next year but Staal's contract is much worse. I don't think Vegas is going to give us the same value as CBJ for a worse contract and bank on the fact that we're likely going to finish lower on the standings and end up with a low 20 pick instead of a high 20 pick.

Staal, NYR 1st, NYR 3rd/4th?
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The problem I have with this logic is that Staal has played NHL hockey for the past two seasons. Poor NHL hockey, but hockey nonetheless. Clarkson is an LTIR contract that Columbus will attach a bribe to in order to be rid of.
 
Lorb said:
Friedman said LV and CBJ have been working on something to take Clarkson and his $5.25M cap hit that lasts for 3 more season with a NMC/NTC which is almost identical to Girardi except for $250,000 AAV and potentially a different NTC from Girardi's 15 team no-trade list. The LV bad contract open house for a 1st round pick rumors is likely stemming from this type of discussion with Columbus and a few other teams. Now imagine Staal's contract. $5,700,000 compared to Clarkson's $5,250,000. Staal has 4 years left instead of 3. Staal has NMC for all of his remaining 4 years and Clarkson only have 3 years of NMC/NTC. LV is likely willing to just sit on those contract until they end since they're not looking to truly be competitive for 3 years anyway.

CBJ's 1st is right around our value for our 1st. Ours will probably be higher than theirs next year but Staal's contract is much worse. I don't think Vegas is going to give us the same value as CBJ for a worse contract and bank on the fact that we're likely going to finish lower on the standings and end up with a low 20 pick instead of a high 20 pick.

Staal, NYR 1st, NYR 3rd/4th?
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It pains me to say this because you can't be somebody else and think for them but if Klein is retiring due to the injuries how can Staal sit there and think he has much left? I mean watching Pitt's speed, does he think he can keep up with that anymore? It is tough to watch.
 
Anthony5967 said:
What would it take to get VGK to take Staal? I know Staal can say "I don't wanna go" but if the NYR tell him he will be a 7th d or play 15 mins would he accept that?
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Good luck convincing Staal that Graves is ready and completely going to take control of the 3LD spot. When Boyle was left to UFA and the Sharks walked away from him, I remember Boyle said something like "Apparently, they felt _______ was ready so you know, you move on and I'm happy to be here in New York......."

I would imagine Staal has the same pride. The way Vigneault double shifted him and relied on his veteran warrior powers to protect leads, giving him 20 minutes a night when it mattered the most, I doubt he'll easily buy the "7th D man, 10 minutes a night" threat from management.
 
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I Eat Crow said:
The problem I have with this logic is that Staal has played NHL hockey for the past two seasons. Poor NHL hockey, but hockey nonetheless. Clarkson is an LTIR contract that Columbus will attach a bribe to in order to be rid of.
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There is no half measure for Las Vegas. They should know from everything that Staal close to being retired involuntarily and is no longer a serviceable NHL defenseman. There are a ton of good options on D to choose from. Teams are in a cuffle and someone young like Justin Schultz is potentially not going to be protected (maybe traded and protected by someone else but still). They're not going to have ANY use for Marc Staal at all. If Marc Staal is the 6th best option on D LV ends up with, something didn't go right for them.

Its like, if you buy a junk car to sell it for scrap metal, it doesn't matter if it's totally useless or slightly functional. You're not going to pay an extra $100 for a slightly functional car if it's going to be turned into scrap metal anyway.
 
Lorb said:
Good luck convincing Staal that Graves is ready and completely going to take control of the 3LD spot. When Boyle was left to UFA and the Sharks walked away from him, I remember Boyle said something like "Apparently, they felt _______ was ready so you know, you move on and I'm happy to be here in New York......."

I would imagine Staal has the same pride. They way Vigneault double shifted him and relied on his veteran warrior powers to protect leads, giving him 20 minutes a night when it mattered the most, I doubt he'll easily buy the "7th D man, 10 minutes a night" threat from management.
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The number one problem is/has/and will always be whether management feels Staal and Girardi need to be off this team via trade or buyout. Problem number 2 would be convincing them to accept a trade. None of us know how management views them. We can sit here and yell until we're blue in the face "zomg the wonder twins ****ing suck we need to change the d!" but if JG and AV think they're still useful then they'll still be here come October
 
Joey Bones said:
http://mynhltraderumors.com/nhl-rumors-new-york-rangers-expansion-raanta-free-agents/2017/06/11/

As per Larry Brooks, the Rangers are not expected to qualify Pirri and Clendening, but will qualify Jensen.

Also mentions that Puempel could be qualified, as well.

Calgary and Winnipeg are among some teams that have reached out to NYR about Raanta.
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Some people may be surprised at those guys not being qualified, but I said it before the season ended. I'd be surprised if they get NHL deals.

Puemps being qualified is for expansion reasons. Although the Rangers scouting staff really liked him from the 2011 draft. 2011 is looking like a really bad year in retrospect unless you're Tampa.
 
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