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Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXV: Marc Staal... Come on Down!!!

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Tawnos said:
Why? The entire purpose of acquiring him was to expose him in the expansion draft.

In fact, his lower salary means he'd be more enticing to Vegas than Staal or Girardi... reducing (though not eliminating) the chances they'd take someone like Lindberg or Fast.
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I'd rather have Holden than Girardi and Staal.
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
I've seen people talk about dead cap space as if it's the devil.
My counter argument, do we really think it's hard to find a better player then Girardi/Staal for their cap hit - the dead cap space their buyout would give us?
I think we can find better players for league minimum, hence i think the dead cap space argument is dumb.
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Yes the dead cap space stuff is so old at this point. Obviously it would still be ideal to buyout Girardi over Staal, but if truly they hold zero value in the league and no one will even take them with a pick or prospect attached (which is erroneous if you ask me) then you have you buy at least one of them out and there is zero reason not to.
 
fm said:
Why am I seemingly the only person who's upset that the twins weren't asked to waive, since it was apparently an option?
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You'd have to think that Gorton already had some conversations with McPhee to gauge interest in Girardi or Staal. We already know they've been talking to teams about taking on bad contracts.

There also may be opportunities to move either one with some salary retention after the expansion draft, depending on which teams have a D selected by LV.

There's also a buyout period after the expansion draft, so I'm not going to panic just yet. This whole decision about potentially buying out one of Staal or Girardi is going to be very telling as to the intentions of management. If they do buyout one or both, you have to believe Gorton is still trying to win now. If not, you'd have to think the FO is OK with taking a step back for a season or two. Or, they're just insane and believe those guys can still play at NHL level.
 
Raspewtin said:
Girardi at his peak was an overplayed #4
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You always state things as if making them come out of your mouth is fact. That is your opinion. The prevailing opinion around the NHL was that at his peak, he was a legit top pairing shut down defenseman.
 
What Door said:
You'd have to think that Gorton already had some conversations with McPhee to gauge interest in Girardi or Staal. We already know they've been talking to teams about taking on bad contracts.
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You do not have to think that at all. The only people who thought that Girardi or Staal were going to be asked to waive their NMC were the people on this board who desperately wanted it to be true. The reality was and is far, far different.
 
Berserk said:
Galchenyuk. Think he could be a good get. What would it take to get him here?
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Well if you ask Habs fans, the answer is not Stepan. However, he really makes the most sense. Julien puts a strong emphasis on defense, and they're a "now" team without an established top-six center on the roster. Plekanec looks cooked, and Danault could be just a flash in the pan. So while Habs fans want a star, they might have to settle for just a viable option.

That being said, Galchenyuk might not be a center at this level. He's kind of a mess in his own end, and he's not a great skater. So to move Stepan and not get either a center or RHD back in the deal would be a mistake, IMO.

Then again, there were some concerns about Seguin's ability as a center as well and look how that turned out.
 
True Blue said:
You always state things as if making them come out of your mouth is fact. That is your opinion. The prevailing opinion around the NHL was that at his peak, he was a legit top pairing shut down defenseman.
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The main objective for a top pairing shut down defenseman should be to limit goals against and shots against, right?

He was among the worst D-men in the league (especially if you limit it to top pairing D-men) at limiting goals against and shots against during his peak, this isn't an opinion, this is facts.
 
I do not rate Galchenyuk highly. He is a C/W tweener and I'd stay away for the cost.
 
Neither Staal nor Girardi was asked to waive their NMC, which is not particularly a surprise, but there it is.
 
Berserk said:
Rather get something different than the #26 in a so-so draft but I'm thinking on it.
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Would anyone consider:

Galchenyuk + Beaulieu + 2nd?

Seems like the Habs have soured on both of these guys. Beaulieu comes in as a 24 year old defender who still has some upside and plays with a bit of an edge.
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
The main objective for a top pairing shut down defenseman should be to limit goals against and shots against, right?

He was among the worst D-men in the league (especially if you limit it to top pairing D-men) at limiting goals against and shots against during his peak, this isn't an opinion, this is facts.
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Again, from the perspective of most NHL professionals, he was a legit top pairing shut down defenseman. Trying to justify your standards by utilizing the so-called advanced stats is fine, but there are times it does not allow you to see the forest through the trees. There are many factors that are needed to be looked at. Including, like it or not, what it actually happening on the ice.
 
If Dan and Marc waived their NTC would we have been able to protect Grabner, Fast, or Oscar by going 8-1 under the expansion draft rules? If that was possible I'm surprised we did not explore that route.
 
NickyFotiu said:
If Dan and Marc waived their NTC would we have been able to protect Grabner, Fast, or Oscar by going 8-1 under the expansion draft rules? If that was possible I'm surprised we did not explore that route.
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Nope. You either choose 8 skaters or 7F and 3D. If they went 8-1, you're still protecting the same 7 forwards plus McDonagh.
 
NickyFotiu said:
If Dan and Marc waived their NTC would we have been able to protect Grabner, Fast, or Oscar by going 8-1 under the expansion draft rules? If that was possible I'm surprised we did not explore that route.
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It's either 7-3-1 (7F, 3D and 1G) or 8-1 (8 skaters, 1G)
 
silverfish said:
Nope. Going 8/1 in that instance would be a 'break-even' move.

McDonagh, Nash, Stepan, Kreider, Zucc, Zib, Hayes, Miller
Hank

At 7/3/1, we protect those forwards anyway.
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Tawnos said:
Nope. You either choose 8 skaters or 7F and 3D. If they went 8-1, you're still protecting the same 7 forwards plus McDonagh.
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
It's either 7-3-1 (7F, 3D and 1G) or 8-1 (8 skaters, 1G)
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Thanks. I need to sleep more. After waking up I was thinking it was 7f-3d-1g or 8f-1d. My bad. Thanks for the correction.
 
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