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Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXV: Marc Staal... Come on Down!!!

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Anthony5967 said:
So for 10+ years he has never been a good d man?
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Girardi has been a + the last 4 seasons. Those are without a doubt his worst seasons.

Anyway, this started with a claim about Schultz ending with 30 points and being a minus player. If we have a D-man getting 30 points, I am not going to look at plus-minus. It's a flawed stat.
 
Anthony5967 said:
Fair enough
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And that season Ovechkin was -35, he had a whole bunch of his points on the PP. Plus-minus doesn't take that into account, yet people always complain about us having a ****** PP.

If we can have a top-5 PP in the league, and it results in players being -25, who cares?
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
And that season Ovechkin was -35, he had a whole bunch of his points on the PP. Plus-minus doesn't take that into account, yet people always complain about us having a ****** PP.

If we can have a top-5 PP in the league, and it results in players being -25, who cares?
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Why would a top 5 PP in the league result in someone being -25? The two have nothing to do with each other.
 
haohmaru said:
Why would a top 5 PP in the league result in someone being -25? The two have nothing to do with each other.
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I am not saying every -25 player is a minus because he is great on the PP. I was referring to the Schultz comment, and feel plus-minus isn't a good way to judge him (obviously he is a minus player) because his value isn't even strength defense.

He was a 30+ point player with Edmonton twice, while being -17 and -22. When a player adds 30 points, the last thing you should look at is plus-minus
 
The situation in Chicago is interesting. Even if they move Kruger to Vegas, they're still over the cap by about $1.5M. Some talk on the Hawks board that the "big trade" that's been floating around might actually be Panarin, and they need to add a defensemen after likely losing TvR to Vegas in expansion.
 
Trxjw said:
The situation in Chicago is interesting. Even if they move Kruger to Vegas, they're still over the cap by about $1.5M. Some talk on the Hawks board that the "big trade" that's been floating around might actually be Panarin, and they need to add a defensemen after likely losing TvR to Vegas in expansion.
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They signed Rutta, and I wouldn't count them out when it comes to Butcher.
 
FWIW, this is why I mentioned Schultz:


If he goes unprotected, maybe we try to swing a deal with Vegas or Pitt.
 
RangerBoy said:
The Rangers have become the San Jose Sharks.
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Very interesting chart. Question for people here. Would you rather have the Rangers last 12 years since the first lockout (make the playoffs 11/12 years, some long playoff runs, but no cup) or the Hurricanes (playoffs 2/12 years, lot of terrible years, but 1 cup)?
 
gump116 said:
Very interesting chart. Question for people here. Would you rather have the Rangers last 12 years since the first lockout (make the playoffs 11/12 years, some long playoff runs, but no cup) or the Hurricanes (playoffs 2/12 years, lot of terrible years, but 1 cup)?
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Cup.
 
gump116 said:
Very interesting chart. Question for people here. Would you rather have the Rangers last 12 years since the first lockout (make the playoffs 11/12 years, some long playoff runs, but no cup) or the Hurricanes (playoffs 2/12 years, lot of terrible years, but 1 cup)?
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In the 90s, we had what the Hurricanes are going through now ;)
 
GAGLine said:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2712559-2017-nhl-expansion-draft-rules-and-how-it-works



Regardless, Smith has to agree to a contract. If he refuses to sign with Vegas, he remains a UFA and can sign anywhere he wants on July 1st.
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It wasn't the fact that signing a player in the window uses the expansion draft pick from that team. You made it sound like a failure to come to an agreement by the expansion draft meant the player was then exempt from the draft. If you just meant that Vegas isn't going to take a player they couldn't sign, then I misunderstood and apologize.
 
gump116 said:
Very interesting chart. Question for people here. Would you rather have the Rangers last 12 years since the first lockout (make the playoffs 11/12 years, some long playoff runs, but no cup) or the Hurricanes (playoffs 2/12 years, lot of terrible years, but 1 cup)?
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Do we also have the Hurricanes defense and Tulsky in our FO?

Either way, the Hurricanes. Give me that Cup.
 
So I'm just assuming that the Rangers officially haven't asked anyone to waive. We won't know until Friday at the latest, but I think it's safe to assume here.
 
Irishguy42 said:
So I'm just assuming that the Rangers officially haven't asked anyone to waive.
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Really no need to. If they have a trade lined up, probably need to buyout G/Staal anyway. Not like we really hurt having to protect them anyway.

Deadline for the next set of news is noon eastern Thursday.

Thursday, June 15 - First Buy-Out Period begins.

Deadline for Clubs to ask Players with "No Move" clauses whether they want to be placed on Waivers for purposes of Buy-Outs prior to Expansion Draft (11:59 am ET).
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https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-expansion-draft-critical-dates/c-289723278
 
silverfish said:
Really no need to. If they have a trade lined up, probably need to buyout G/Staal anyway. Not like we really hurt having to protect them anyway.
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Agreed. Unless we acquire a D-man in a trade, there's no need to have Girardi/Staal waive their clause for the expansion draft.
 
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