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Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXIX: Countdown to the draft (and the other draft)

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FLYLine27 said:
Because apparently he "cant skate". So he must be a bust.

Just like Tavaras couldn't either when he was drafted, so they said.


Funny thing is, Stepan is probably one of the worst skating forwards we have on this team.
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Have you watched Strome? It's not like Tavares', and Draisatl's, skating at all. They're both great athletes but had skating stride and acceleration issues. Strome's skating is all kinds of busted and he's soft. All the skill and smarts in the world, but his athleticism is sorely lacking.

Let alone the fact that he's gotten by in his career by being bigger than everyone else. I'm not sold on him at all.
 
Synergy27 said:
The one thing I don't buy in all of this Stepan smoke is that Phoenix is ready to compete. Why are they "cashing in" assets right now anyway?
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They might be losing Doan and don't really have a veteran presence to help the kids. They can't just throw them to the wolves like the Oilers did to RNH, Yak, and Hall.
 
Mac n Gs said:
They might be losing Doan and don't really have a veteran presence to help the kids. They can't just throw them to the wolves like the Oilers did to RNH, Yak, and Hall.
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That, and Stepan is signed for 4 more years. That gives them some guarantees as well. If they trade for a guy who is UFA in 2 years, what will happen then? 4 years for a 27-year old 1C is something they can build around
 
Mac n Gs said:
Have you watched Strome? It's not like Tavares', and Draisatl's, skating at all. They're both great athletes but had skating stride and acceleration issues. Strome's skating is all kinds of busted and he's soft. All the skill and smarts in the world, but his athleticism is sorely lacking.

Let alone the fact that he's gotten by in his career by being bigger than everyone else. I'm not sold on him at all.
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I take all the "expert analyses" here with a grain of salt, but if this is true, Strome can't be a meaningful part of a return for Stepan. But Arizona might not even be our best bet. We're all in the dark here.
 
Trxjw said:
I think after all of the busted players that they've had to deal with, they'd probably rather keep the guy who has shown he can do something at the NHL level. I think Strome has a bit more upside, but is more of a risk.

I don't remember reading anything about Duclair, but who knows? It's a buy low opportunity to add more speed on the wings. Speed that scored 20 goals a season ago.
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I agree re: Dvorak Vs. Strome.

Strome+Duclair+7 carries too much risk for me. I acknowledge that theres a bunch of upside there, but Strome is far from a sure thing (plus he isn't the type of player who you can slot into a bottom 6 role if the offense doesn't translate, its really top 6 or bust with him) and while Duclair is 2 seasons removed from a 20 goal year, hes also a year removed from a 5 goal one (he didn't tear up the A when he was sent down either.)
 
Honestly, not that enthused with getting #7.

Makar and Pettersson are the only two players I'd be happy with there. Tippett, Glass, Vilardi are all big piles of "meh" for me. Rasmussen I would maybe draft in the 2nd, most overrated player in Rd 1.

Would much rather have Fischer/Deangelo + #23.
 
Avery16 said:
I take all the "expert analyses" here with a grain of salt, but if this is true, Strome can't be a meaningful part of a return for Stepan. But Arizona might not even be our best bet. We're all in the dark here.
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Can you imagine the trade for Stepan being with a different tam altogether? That would be hilarious.

Honka + Honka + 3OA + 29OA for Stepan and Raanta :laugh:

Geoff Gorden said:
I agree re: Dvorak Vs. Strome.

Strome+Duclair+7 carries too much risk for me. I acknowledge that theres a bunch of upside there, but Strome is far from a sure thing (plus he isn't the type of player who you can slot into a bottom 6 role if the offense doesn't translate, its really top 6 or bust with him) and while Duclair is 2 seasons removed from a 20 goal year, hes also a year removed from a 5 goal one (he didn't tear up the A when he was sent down either.)
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Some people have a soft spot for Duclair solely based on the fact that we drafted him. He is basically Nigel Dawes at this point. He had a good season 2 years ago but doesn't seem to be able to put it together.

NickyFotiu said:
This team will not be the same without a Glass. Come on!!! :handclap:
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I don't want another one. I already fear we will re-sign Tanner
 
FWIW Stepan would bring to the Coyotes something that they haven't had in a long time--a mid-20's center who can provide scoring and leadership--who has played in big games. I can imagine as well that there is pressure on Chayka. His team needs to reach up to another level. His team can't continue to be a pushover or he'll be out of a job and he's not really the most experienced guy in the first place. If he can't show some success it's not likely he'll get another one. This could be a big year for him.
 
Re: why Arizona does this now:

In addition to the excellent answers above, there are also two other facts that coulntribute: a) OEL is about to enter the second to last year of his contract, and will then be an UFA. If you're going to convince him to stick around, you need to start winning soon, preferably this year. b) If I'm not mistaken, one of the owners just bought out his partners. This isn't a new guy coming in, this is a guy who's been through the rebuild and just ponied up a lot more money. My guess is he wants to see a return on that investment sooner rather than later.
 
There's also that Polliver Declan-Clarkson guy out there in the desert that's up for a big contract in two years. They might wanna start showing a bit of urgency and winning attitude if he's gonna stay. That's obviously a bit obtuse of me to say, but it's most likely something that's looming in Arizona. I can only imagine the media hype around OEL if he goes into the 18-19 season and the Yotes don't look like they're making a jump soon.

Ok, clearly BRF and I are telepathic or something :laugh:
 
BrooklynRangersFan said:
Re: why Arizona does this now:

In addition to the excellent answers above, there are also two other facts that coulntribute: a) OEL is about to enter the second to last year of his contract, and will then be an UFA. If you're going to convince him to stick around, you need to start winning soon, preferably this year. b) If I'm not mistaken, one of the owners just bought out his partners. This isn't a new guy coming in, this is a guy who's been through the rebuild and just ponied up a lot more money. My guess is he wants to see a return on that investment sooner rather than later.
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c) the Pacific is straight trash, with a few good moves they could get themselves in playoff contention. The Ducks and Oilers will be the top dawgs in that division, but that 3rd seed is up for grabs. Flames, Kings and Sharks still have some gaping holes and all three are incredibly top heavy and the Canucks are probably going to be one of the worst, if not the worst team in hockey this upcoming year.
 
if we get 7th overall. Whats the issue with reaching for someone we want?
So if we could get someone at say 15 why trade down and risk them getting picked before hand. Only trade down if we are certain we can get WHO WE WANT. not best guy available at the spot
 
Dallas IMO is the team that needs to step up to the plate here. Stepan would be perfect for them. They need to make some moves if they plan on getting back to the playoffs again in the Central. Beyond Benn and Seguin, they have a whole lot of nothing.
 
NickyFotiu said:
If we get Glass we can give him #15 to confuse some folks and save folks who bought jerseys some money.
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Like we did with Boyle?

Capt McDonut said:
if we get 7th overall. Whats the issue with reaching for someone we want?
So if we could get someone at say 15 why trade down and risk them getting picked before hand. Only trade down if we are certain we can get WHO WE WANT. not best guy available at the spot
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I am all for trading down if the player we want will be on the board a few picks later. Add a 2nd rounder by trading down.

bobbop said:
They aware nowhere even close to being able to compete.
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But adding Stepan is a big step towards being a play-off team
 
JT Kreider said:
Dallas IMO is the team that needs to step up to the plate here. Stepan would be perfect for them. They need to make some moves if they plan on getting back to the playoffs again in the Central. Beyond Benn and Seguin, they have a whole lot of nothing.
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They already have Seguin and Spezza as their top 2 centers, doubt they want their 3rd line center making 6.5
 
JT Kreider said:
Dallas IMO is the team that needs to step up to the plate here. Stepan would be perfect for them. They need to make some moves if they plan on getting back to the playoffs again in the Central. Beyond Benn and Seguin, they have a whole lot of nothing.
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3OA, Gurianov, Honka, Faksa, maybe Tufte... They have some interesting assets to trade for. Maybe for Zuccarello, since they already have center depth
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
3OA, Gurianov, Honka, Faksa, maybe Tufte... They have some interesting assets to trade for. Maybe for Zuccarello, since they already have center depth
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Benn is primarily a winger now and Seguin spent a ton of time on the wing last year too, though I suppose you could always shift Seguin back to C.

Spezza is is 34 and signed for 1 more year.

They are very top heavy, but unfortunately anything that they have that would interest me are players that they probably need to fill out their roster.

I'd love Honka, but we missed the boat on getting him when management decided to hang onto Yandle. Guryanov intrigues the hell out of me, but I can't see Dallas moving him.

I would prefer him to Strome though, even if he isn't a center.
 
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