Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXIX: Countdown to the draft (and the other draft)

[Trxjw]

The problem with using the Carter deal as a comparable is that he was a much better player than Stepan at the time of the trade, and Voracek wasn't quite living up to the expectations the Jackets had for him.

Looking at the Coyotes, they don't have a player like Voracek. Domi is a core piece. Dvorak played very well in his first season. Duclair under performed, but why would the Rangers deal Stepan for a winger? The only reason I could think of is if the trade is made on the draft floor and there's a guy the Rangers love at #7. Even then, their top center to get a player who might be 2 or 3 years away? Seems far fetched.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I would do the Dvorak+7th+<insert third player asset>

Throw in Raanta and have them add in their second rounder for this year (35th I believe)

Draft Petersson or Glass with the 7th pick, Brannstrom/Timmins with the 21st and Yamamoto/Lipanov with the 35th

 

[Ghost of jas]

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Keller is the most highly valued Coyote. Period. Future star.

The Strome/Dvorak debate is a good one. I like both players but they are different. I'd take my chances with either of them + #7 and a third asset.

What type of asset would Rantaa being added to the deal would come the other way?

IMO, Stepan & Rantaa for Strome or Dvorak, a good prospect, 7OA and 35OA is the deal that gets it done for Gorton.

 

[Mikos87]

Sounds a lot like how people spoke about Tavaras when he came into the league..

Strome is more Matt Duchene/Derick Brassard in that regard... coaches love players like that... guys that prepare for their match-ups.

Eric Staal is a good comparison.... we all know what a fit Eric Staal can do... we also know what an out of shape Eric Staal can do.... so there's your catch-22 with the kid.

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Keller is the most highly valued Coyote. Period. Future star.

The Strome/Dvorak debate is a good one. I like both players but they are different. I'd take my chances with either of them + #7 and a third asset.

Yeah I think Keller is very gifted, and has a chance to be the 3rd best player from his draft year. I think that package helps both teams.

ARI cannot win in the next two years if their icing an under-22 squad at center... not against those guys in the Pacific.

Personally I'd trade Dvorak over Strome if I was ARI, 7th and DeAngelo/Wood. That's more than a fair deal.

ARI would have Step, Keller, Strome down the middle. Which is awesome depth.

 

[Trxjw]

If the NYI deal with Vegas is just to cover Cizikas and Bailey, then I'm offering Stepan to VGK for Dumba and Brock Nelson. Ranger management loved Nelson and tried to trade back into the end of the first round to try and get him. He's been a productive player. I don't get to see the Islanders as much as some of you do but I've always been impressed. Dumba, I think we all know by now. Quality for quality. A trade that makes both the win now and get younger crowd happy.

Where else would Vegas get this kind of skill?

Well, they could go to Edmonton. They also would like a RHD and have a 55ish point two-way center they could move in RNH. Say they take Eakin and Dumba, then flip them to Edmonton for RNH and Eberle. Two thirds of a very strong 2nd line right there.

 

[Savant]

If the NYI deal with Vegas is just to cover Cizikas and Bailey, then I'm offering Stepan to VGK for Dumba and Brock Nelson. Ranger management loved Nelson and tried to trade back into the end of the first round to try and get him. He's been a productive player. I don't get to see the Islanders as much as some of you do but I've always been impressed. Dumba, I think we all know by now. Quality for quality. A trade that makes both the win now and get younger crowd happy.

Where else would Vegas get this kind of skill?

That's what I am thinking as well. Stepan gives Vegas their 1C under team control and McPhee has seen a lot of him and knows Stepan's value. Plus they will probably draft high enough in the near future to get someone to get Stepan to the second line. Vegas doesn't have another chance to get a player like Stepan. Rangers can pick some assets and maybe get another first round pick (maybe the Isles first) in the process.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

I don't think we're ever getting Dvorak + #7, i hope i'm wrong though but i don't see it.
I don't think Stepan is as valuable as any of those other comparables, think he's like one asset less valuable then the Carter/Staal/ROR's of this world.

As i said, hope i'm wrong but i'm trying to be somewhat realistic here.

 

[Trxjw]

I like that Dvorak came through the London program. His fitness is very high.

Strome has one of the highest hockey IQ's out there.... same with the hands... but is he athletic enough is the question? He doesn't play a power game, and doesn't have top end wheels.

Kid's super smart, and can break down d-zone structures. Unlike Kreider who has a very high IQ off the ice, but is rather limited on the ice, DStrome is smart on the ice.

Boppob can chime in, but methinks they value Keller a lot more than Strome.

Strome wasn't a Chayka guy either.

All good points. The other thing is I think Dvorak is more of a Tippet sort of player. He has more of a complete game, and he's at least somewhat of a known quantity. Strome is a wild card. He could be a 70 point center, or he could be Kevin Hayes.

 

[Ghost of jas]

The thing about the Carter deal is that you had the whispers about both Carter and Richsrds off the ice. Those deals were not done with the whole league knowing that either player was available.

Stepan has no restrictions on his market.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Nelson is his shot and not much else. Hasn't impressed me at all in the last two years. I think we could certainly use a guy who can't shoot it like he can, but it'd have to be in a reduced role. I wouldn't want him to be a key piece in a Stepan trade.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Dvorak is the #1 realistically available piece I would want.

 

[Tawnos]

I don't think they will be so eager to trade away their best defenseman so fast.

And that defenseman will likely either be Dumba (who everyone killed me for proposing we trade Step 1 for 1 for Dumba earlier in the week) or Vatanen, who is older and kind of declined and has been injury prone the last few years.

I'd rather get some more tools like a another 1st, a top young player, and another decent prospect for Step.

I'd prefer a hockey trade to an assets trade.

 

[Trxjw]

Dvorak is the #1 realistically available piece I would want.

I think most feel the same way. Which makes me think we'd have to "settle" for Strome if the Rangers are a looking for a C in return.

 

[Savant]

I think most feel the same way. Which makes me think we'd have to "settle" for Strome if the Rangers are a looking for a C in return.

Isn't Dvorak a C?

 

[kovazub94]

Using the Jordan Staal and Jeff Carter trade templates, the price was a high #1 pick, youngish NHL roster player and a third piece.

Jordan Staal to Carolina for Brandon Sutter(11th overall in 2007),1st round pick-9th overall in 2012(Derrick Pouliot-passed over Trouba and Forsberg)and Brian Doumulin(2nd rounder in 2009-51st overall) in June 2012.



http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/a...rter-for-jakub-voracek-tradethree-years-later

Jeff Carter for Voracek(7th overall in 2007),1st round pick-8th overall in 2011(Sean Couturier)and a 3rd round pick in 2011(Nick Cousins) in June 2011. Couturier played in the NHL as an 18 year old.

Derek Stepan 6 years/$39M. Front loaded. $16M in the first two seasons paid by the Rangers. $23M remaining over 4 years. $5.75M per for Arizona. Very affordable. Better contract than Carter had and for what Staal eventually signed in Carolina. 10 years/$60M.

Brandon Hickey acquired by the Coyotes in the Mike Smith trade as the 3rd piece in the Stepan trade. I read the Calgarypuck.com forum. They believe Hickey didn't want to sign with the Flames which is why they traded him. He is from Alberta too. Is Hickey signing with Arizona? He can play out his senior year and become a free agent next August. The Rangers have ties to Hickey. Perhaps the Rangers can sign him this summer. When I read Hickey was going to Arizona in the deal for Smith,Hickey is going to the Rangers. Eventually.

#7th pick overall in 2017 and Hickey. The Rangers need an NHL piece in the trade using the Carter/Staal templates. Christian Dvorak? Max Domi?

Sign me up for 7 OA, Dvorak, and Hickey.

Whether it happens or not, excellent work by you, RB, on this analysis. The similarities are eerily. Sign me up as well.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If its Strome, Fischer has to be a part of the package.

 

[E-Train]

If its Strome, Fischer has to be a part of the package.

That's what I'm thinking.

 

[NYR Viper]

Most of the centers who have been traded had reasons for being dealt. Carter and Richards also had super long contracts with the league starting to crack down on them. That along with the partying rumors probably had some GM's questioning whether they wanted to bring them in.

ROR had major issues signing in Colorado for multiple years. He had 1 year left on his deal and he wanted a bigger role.

J Staal was a younger center but he also was less proven. He was insulated and he was only signing with a possible 2 teams.

The Rangers don't have any limitations with Stepan.

I'm hopeful Gorton can find a taker for Nash prior to the season. No reason to wait for the deadline. Retain some money if need be.

If Stepan goes, Nash should follow almost immediately.

 

[eco's bones]

Don't know if anyone has mentioned it but the cap ceiling went up to $75 mil.

 

[Trxjw]

Isn't Dvorak a C?

Yes. I meant that we'll have to settle for the less desirable center.

Something like Strome, Duclair, #7 for Stepan and #21.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

If that's the type of deal Gorton can get, then it needs to happen. Dvorak/Strome + 1st + Hickey/Crouse

It's what would make sense for this team. There are numerous examples of that type of deal

Makes me think maybe Gorton was waiting until after expansion to see if Lindberg goes to take Crouse instead of Hickey

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

How about this:

Stepan, Raanta and the #21 pick for Dvorak, Hickey, the #7, #24 and #35 picks.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Yes. I meant that we'll have to settle for the less desirable center.

Something like Strome, Duclair, #7 for Stepan and #21.

Honestly, I'd be pretty upset if that was the package for Stepan

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Can someone explain to me why Strome is a lesser piece than Dvorak?

 

[New York RKY]

I can't wait to see Stepan not traded.