Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXIX: Countdown to the draft (and the other draft)

[Mac n Gs]

A, soon to be, 38 year old who had a torn ACL/MCL just months ago? No thanks

That's exactly why I'd want him. It would be a one year deal most likely and he's probably the best stop gap available. Maybe he can teach Kevin Hayes to actually play to his size and not be ten seconds slow on every play

 

[Leetch3]

Do we need to sign both Shatty and Smith? If we invest 6 mill in Shatty I might be more inclined to look for a topline forward. That is assuming Step or Nash is gone.

it doesn't need to be those 2 but we 1000% need to get 2 top 4 guys that aren't named Staal or Holden to play with McDonagh and Skjei...getting both guys this summer though might be easier said than done though

 

[Filip Chytil]

There's a difference between saying Stepan is worth so and so, and saying we should only trade him for so and so.

This isn't a team trying to get rid of a player. The Rangers can keep Stepan and go to war with the same group of forwards, and improved defense. With Klein retiring, I wouldn't be surprised if our team would look a bit like this:

Nash-Stepan-Zuccarello
Kreider-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Miller-Hayes-Vesey
Grabner-Lindberg-Fast

McDonagh-Shattenkirk
Skjei-Smith
Staal-Bereglazov
Holden

Lundqvist
FA goalie to replace Raanta


There is no harm in turning down proposals and keeping Stepan. I don't think Gorton trades him UNLESS it's an overpayment, which is what I've been saying all along.

Agreed. It will take an overpayment in Gorton's eyes.

But I question whether ARI is that team. Chayka is a good negotiator. And when push comes to shove, would he really be prepared to overpay? I know, I've seen and read all the reasons why Stepan is a good fit in ARI. And I agree with them. But do those reasons warrant an overpayment?

I would imagine either a playoff team/Cup contender would more likely overpay for Stepan than a team like ARI. Yes, he's useful to any team including ARI. Players like Stepan don't grow on trees. But to the point of an overpayment from Chayka?

So the question is, are the reasons as to why Chayka should deal for Stepan strong enough to the point where when it comes to it, he'll feel it's necessary to pull the trigger on the deal despite it being an overpayment? Perhaps what Chayka and Gorton view as an overpayment differs.

 

[GAGLine]

That's exactly why I'd want him. It would be a one year deal most likely and he's probably the best stop gap available. Maybe he can teach Kevin Hayes to actually play to his size and not be ten seconds slow on every play

If he was willing to play on a 1 year deal, SJ would sign him. I think he wants 3. He may come down and take 2, but the odds of him signing with anyone but SJ is probably small.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Are you talking about that whole "We'd consider trading ovechkin in a legitimate hockey deal" ********?

Id look in to it. If Espo, Gretz, Messier, and Jagr can be traded so can OV.

 

[Griffinbw]

Id look in to it. If Espo, Gretz, Messier, and Jagr can be traded so can OV.

Would take major overpayment. No thanks. Washington was just stressing that major change was needed, more of a metaphor than a hint they were willing to trade Ovi.

 

[Griffinbw]

If he was willing to play on a 1 year deal, SJ would sign him. I think he wants 3. He may come down and take 2, but the odds of him signing with anyone but SJ is probably small.

Unless he takes a 1 year buddy deal here for a cup...

 

[NickyFotiu]

it doesn't need to be those 2 but we 1000% need to get 2 top 4 guys that aren't named Staal or Holden to play with McDonagh and Skjei...getting both guys this summer though might be easier said than done though

While it would be nice to have both Id rather have a topline forward and a top pairing defensemen if possible.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Unless he takes a 1 year buddy deal here for a cup...

Sign Thornton and Marleau to a 1y/1m deal

 

[NickyFotiu]

Would take major overpayment. No thanks. Washington was just stressing that major change was needed, more of a metaphor than a hint they were willing to trade Ovi.

Why would they stir that hornets nest if near impossible? Never hurts to ask. Who saw the Bruins trading Thornton? Even the Sharks didn't expect it. We have 2 offensive pieces we could trade in Nash and Stepan. Lets ask what Washington would want instead of assuming.

 

[Griffinbw]

Sign Thornton and Marleau to a 1y/1m deal

While we're at it get Jagr too

Could fill a retirement home

 

[silverfish]

Why would they stir that hornets nest if near impossible? Never hurts to ask. Who saw the Bruins trading Thornton? Even the Sharks didn't expect it. We have 2 offensive pieces we could trade in Nash and Stepan. Lets ask what Washington would want instead of assuming.

It starts with McDonagh and Kreider and doesn't end there.

 

[NickyFotiu]

It starts with McDonagh and Kreider and doesn't end there.

We have no way of knowing that. When the Bruins traded Thornton SJ didn't even ask for Thornton. They asked for Samsonov. It was the Bruins that offered Thornton. We should ask and see where it goes. We should ask about every good player. We should have asked about Drouin.

 

[rvdnsx]

While we're at it get Jagr too

Could fill a retirement home

Miller-Thornton-Nash
Kreider-Zibanejad-Zuccarello
Vesey-Hayes-Jagr
Grabner-Lindberg-Buchnevich

McDonagh-Shattenkirk
Skjei-Smith
Staal-Bereglazov/Pionk

Lundqvist
Kinkaid

 

[silverfish]

We have no way of knowing that. When the Bruins traded Thornton SJ didn't even ask for Thornton. They asked for Samsonov. It was the Bruins that offered Thornton. We should ask and see where it goes. We should ask about every good player. We should have asked about Drouin.

Sure, but we can surmise what sort of value it would take the Capitals to begin listening to an offer from NYR about Ovechkin.

My opinion is that the package starts with McDonagh and Kreider. The Capitals have no reason to ask for less. Especially with a division rival.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Sure, but we can surmise what sort of value it would take the Capitals to begin listening to an offer from NYR about Ovechkin.

My opinion is that the package starts with McDonagh and Kreider. The Capitals have no reason to ask for less. Especially with a division rival.

Thats your opinion. It may or may not be correct. If we just assume and dont ask we will never know just like we had no idea Thornton would be traded so cheaply.

 

[NYR Viper]

Yeah the allure of dealing Stepan to Arizona could very well be the fact that they clear enough money in one move to go out and throw a deal at Shattenkirk. Still not a fan, but I can see the logic there. Zibanejad and Hayes as your top two centers is probably more palatable than Holden and Smith as your top two RD.

It makes sense to make that move now. Shattenkirk in is a player who is young for a UFA. Yes I realize his contract will end at 34-35 while Stepan's is ends at 30. I still think Shattenkirk can continue being a productive offensive defenseman in this league until that point.

I think I would probably leans towards the Arizona deal if it was Strome + ARI 1st + Crouse and then sign Shattenkirk and Smith

 

[Miamipuck]

Oh dear god, no no no to OV. What it would take is a non starter. That's something Neil Smith would do, the crappy end of era Neil Smith.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Oh dear god, no no no to OV. What it would take is a non starter. That's something Neil Smith would do, the crappy end of era Neil Smith.

1. We should ask about every good player not just assume. Assuming no deal can be done without asking is the worst thing we can do.

2. We dont have any players that are off limits to the right deal.

 

[silverfish]

Thats your opinion. It may or may not be correct. If we just assume and dont ask we will never know just like we had no idea Thornton would be traded so cheaply.

The trades really aren't all that comparable.

Jumbo was 26 when he was traded. It was mid-season. The Bruins were on a path to nowhere. They needed to kickstart a bit of a rebuild and get some assets at the same time. At the time, Stuart, Primeau, and Sturm were commodity pieces. He didn't go cheap.

Meanwhile.

Ovechkin is 31, and the Caps are in a huge 'win now' mode, as they should be.

The only comparable part of these deals is that Thornton was MVP caliber then, just like Ovi is now.

 

[Inferno]

caps are not trading us AO...within the division...not happening.

id love AO on this team, but it would never ever happen barring free agency or a trade out west then a trade back here.

 

[True Blue]

So looking the 75 mil cap and some rough math. If Klein retires well have in the vicinity of 16.2 mil in space.

Zib at say 5x5.5
Smith at 4x4.5
**** at 6x6
Leaves us with 200k still need to fit in fast or Lindbergh as I think one of them are picked in the ed.
Plus need money for berez or pink.

Which leads me to believe that the step smoke is all about us landing shatty

That is not a lot of flexibility on the cap and there are some players that will need to be resigned. Not to mention the deadcap hit for Girardi.

 

[NickyFotiu]

The trades really aren't all that comparable.

Jumbo was 26 when he was traded. It was mid-season. The Bruins were on a path to nowhere. They needed to kickstart a bit of a rebuild and get some assets at the same time. At the time, Stuart, Primeau, and Sturm were commodity pieces. He didn't go cheap.

Meanwhile.

Ovechkin is 31, and the Caps are in a huge 'win now' mode, as they should be.

The only comparable part of these deals is that Thornton was MVP caliber then, just like Ovi is now.

Omg almost every Ranger fan on Earth was in shock at that time how Joe went so cheap and wanting to know why we didnt get in on it. SJ were shocked themselves. They didn't even ask for Joe. We traded for Jagr. We traded for Messier. The only sure way not to get a deal is to assume they are impossible. A good GM will ask not assume.

 

[I Eat Crow]

If Stepan goes to Arizona, the Rangers are going to get futures in return. Arizona needs to reach the cap floor. With Smith traded, they'll have $15 million to go even if they bring Doan back one more year.

The Rangers will get 2-3 of the 7th overall, 23rd overall, Dvorak, Domi, or Fischer. That's minimal salary coming back to the Rangers. The value in doing such a deal for the Rangers is to re-stock the prospect cupboard and to free up cap space to sign a guy like Shattenkirk.

If Stepan is traded and Lindberg is lost to expansion, the Rangers have no choice but to dip into free agency to find a checking center or two.

I wouldn't hesitate to bring Brian Boyle back at all if he'll accept a deal for under two million/year for a couple of years.

Bonino would be a great target but will be overpaid because he won two Cups in a row with Pittsburgh. Martin Hanzal would be a great under the radar signing. He went up against the Western Conference's top centers for years with Phoenix and did a great job. He'd be an ideal top 9 checking line center that would be able to slide up and down the lineup in case of injury. He'd be a bargain if he'd sign for under $4 million.

 

[silverfish]

Omg almost every Ranger fan on Earth was in shock at that time how Joe went so cheap and wanting to know why we didnt get in on it. SJ were shocked themselves. They didn't even ask for Joe. We traded for Jagr. We traded for Messier. The only sure way not to get a deal is to assume they are impossible. A good GM will ask not assume.

Okay. We're discussing two different things here.

Of course there's no harm in asking Washington what they want, duh, but if the whole point of this conversation wasn't to then try and 'predict' what it would actually take to get Ovi out of Washington and onto NYR, then there's no point of discussing this at all.

Gorton should call every team about every player in the NHL and AHL and prospects.