Toggle sidebar

Speculation: Roster Building Thread 2019-20: Part XXVIII

  • Xenforo Cloud will be upgrading us to version 2.3.5 on March 3rd at 12 AM GMT. This version has increased stability and fixes several bugs. We expect downtime for the duration of the update. The admin team will continue to work on existing issues, templates and upgrade all necessary available addons to minimize impact of this new version. Click Here for Updates
Status
Not open for further replies.
NYSPORTS said:
He played in one all-star game b/c the real all-star didn’t attend. Why is that?

He’s going to get paid a fortune and I hope Glen Sather is too busy on a golf course smoking cigars to pick up the phone and insist on resigning Kreider for a fortune.
Click to expand...

hanks played in what 2 all star games? This is your argument to knock the guy down a peg?
 
NYSPORTS said:
Eric Cole is probably the best comparison IMO. I don’t see Cole’s production worth what Kreider would be paid.

Marleau is a good call yet Kreider never put up his numbers by age 29

Gary Roberts’ peak production was at 27. His stats on the decline rivaled Kreider’s output in his prime.

Williams is a good one yet weighs in at 185lbs so he’s a different player.

overall, Kreider is a risk and the ROI is stacked against his type historically.
Click to expand...
No one is saying that it is not a risk, but who cares about what numbers who put up? That is what one calls a strawman argument. Seeming to debate a point, while actually debating a completely different one. The questions are not about whether or not Kreider can take his play onto a different level. The question on the floor is simply for how long can he maintain his? AK asked for market comps and received them.

And Justin Williams weighing 185 pounds is also a pretty big strawman. Has Justin Williiams maintained his level of play? The answer yes. What would be a reason that Kreider cannot? That he is heavier? Who cares? His extra weight is not drinking 6 packs and eating potato chips. His extra weight is a sign that just how good a shape he is in.
 
  • Like
Reactions: belford22, eco's bones and RGY
aufheben said:
I wouldn’t. They got #26OA and a good prospect. That’s basically what this board wants for Kreider except Zucker wasn’t a rental. Galchenyuk is terrible, even if he turns it around in Minnesota, he’s a UFA could sign somewhere else. Maybe Kreider is that much better than Zucker that it evens out but I don’t know.
Click to expand...
Gal still has good potential, he’s supposingly be playing with a groin injury most of the season.

wild got a lot for a player who has been a bit underwhelming his last 2 seasons.
 
NYSPORTS said:
He played in one all-star game b/c the real all-star didn’t attend. Why is that?

He’s going to get paid a fortune and I hope Glen Sather is too busy on a golf course smoking cigars to pick up the phone and insist on resigning Kreider for a fortune.
Click to expand...

Lol all the bad contacts this franchise acquires, Kreider is the least of our worries. Let's get rid of Kreider and keep Smith and Hank....

They would have to get blown away with a deal to move Kreider. Anything less and this team is running in place.

Kreider may not be all that could be, but he means alot more to the NYR than some of you realize.
 
  • Like
Reactions: belford22, RGY and Pawnee Rangers
True Blue said:
No one is saying that it is not a risk, but who cares about what numbers who put up? That is what one calls a strawman argument. Seeming to debate a point, while actually debating a completely different one. The questions are not about whether or not Kreider can take his play onto a different level. The question on the floor is simply for how long can he maintain his? AK asked for market comps and received them.

And Justin Williams weighing 185 pounds is also a pretty big strawman. Has Justin Williiams maintained his level of play? The answer yes. What would be a reason that Kreider cannot? That he is heavier? Who cares? His extra weight is not drinking 6 packs and eating potato chips. His extra weight is a sign that just how good a shape he is in.
Click to expand...

I literally just took you off ignore and here comes the straw arg within 5 min? For real?

it’s actually laughable the kid has been a Ranger his entire career, they never anointed him the Captain and within two weeks of the trading deadline in a year he’s facing free agency the Rangers finally say “hey, let’s talk”.

In the meantime, the sense of urgency is so great they’re probably still checking their schedules to meet and hammer this one out lol.

Come back to earth people
 
NikC said:
Lol all the bad contacts this franchise acquires, Kreider is the least of our worries. Let's get rid of Kreider and keep Smith and Hank....

They would have to get blown away with a deal to move Kreider. Anything less and this team is running in place.

Kreider may not be all that could be, but he means alot more to the NYR than some of you realize.
Click to expand...

it’s a rebuild and likely not a playoff team next season. I believe the Rangers are budgeting for the future. This is first actual tear it down rebuild we’ve ever seen the Rangers and I believe they are doing correctly across the board.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Dijock94
NYSPORTS said:
I literally just took you off ignore and here comes the straw arg within 5 min? For real?
Click to expand...
You made a strawman post. I called you out on it. Don't like it then don't pretend to argue points that no one is arguing. Or feel free to put me back on ignore. I promise that my feelings are not hurt in the least bit.
it’s actually laughable the kid has been a Ranger his entire career, they never anointed him the Captain and within two weeks of the trading deadline in a year he’s facing free agency the Rangers finally say “hey, let’s talk”.
Click to expand...
At last check, no one is debating how many All-Star games he has been on. Can we please stick to the actual debate instead of inventing new ones?
In the meantime, the sense of urgency is so great they’re probably still checking their schedules to meet and hammer this one out lol.
Click to expand...
Contracts need not take long time to negotiate
Come back to earth people
Click to expand...
Just as soon as you come back to the actual debate.
 
True Blue said:
You made a strawman post. I called you out on it. Don't like it then don't pretend to argue points that no one is arguing. Or feel free to put me back on ignore. I promise that my feelings are not hurt in the least bit.

At last check, no one is debating how many All-Star games he has been on. Can we please stick to the actual debate instead of inventing new ones?

Contracts need not take long time to negotiate

Just as soon as you come back to the actual debate.
Click to expand...

sry you’re having issues again. After 7 months being on ignore you’re back on within 6 min.
 
True Blue said:
Or you can just try to debate the actual points that people are debating. That is an alternative, you know.
Click to expand...

I’ll opt to ignore. The name calling, the straw this, straw that, etc. You post at everybody like this. It’s not worth anybody’s time. Enjoy yourself
 
Kravty Dangles said:
We have someone...

Click to expand...


One of things that stinks about checking this at work is that all the embedded tweets are blocked, so for all my fellow corporate drones the tweet mentions that Bednar announces that Kadri is out "longish term".

I wonder if this pivots Colorado to look more at Pageau now and turns their attention away from CK....
 
  • Like
Reactions: kovazub94
Pawnee Rangers said:
Can you please add me to your ignore list as well? Thanks!
Click to expand...

I’m going to stick around and see when Kreider at $7 million per year is the going rate for a 3rd liner like you said. I can walk you through that operating income link which indicates how your prediction is not possible unless the cap raises above $120 million or the league claims bankruptcy.
 
NYSPORTS said:
I’m going to stick around and see when Kreider at $7 million per year is the going rate for a 3rd liner like you said. I can walk you through that operating income link which indicates how your prediction is not possible unless the cap raises above $120 million or the league claims bankruptcy.
Click to expand...

Can't wait.
 
Send them Strome if they need a center

ps imagine if Lias Andersson was actually a good hockey player? We wouldn’t have to worry about keeping Strome we could blow him out and run Zibanejad Chytil Lias but unfortunately when you miss badly in the draft you end up having to pay guys big money that you rather not
 
NYSPORTS said:
it’s a rebuild and likely not a playoff team next season. I believe the Rangers are budgeting for the future. This is first actual tear it down rebuild we’ve ever seen the Rangers and I believe they are doing correctly across the board.
Click to expand...

I have no problem with that. I'm embracing it as a fan, however when they talk about being competitive, playing hard, etc. And they employ a coach doesn't seem too patient with the growing pains of a rebuilding team...

You have to have some leadership, that show the way. CK is a leader in NY, and a voice in the room. Who's going to be that for the NYR when he goes.

Whatever happens, as long as the rangers are making moves to secure "franchise " talent I'll be ok with it.

This team needs bonafide studs throughout the lineup. No more goalies standing on their heads, and 1 scoring line with 1 star player
 
  • Like
Reactions: belford22
It is amusing how more optimistic we are about guys in their 30s on the front end of those potential deals than we are when they're actually playing through those years.

Maybe Kreider is an other-wordly physical specimen who bucks most trends in and around the sport.

The odds say he probably isn't, but hope springs internal when we really, really, really, want something.

If we go this way, I really, really, really, hope we're right about this.
 
  • Like
Reactions: leetch99 and mschmidt64
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Top Bottom