Speculation: Roster Building Thread 2019-20: Part XXVIII

[RGY]

I don’t have Kravstov anywhere. I mentioned he or Kakko have experience playing LW, so instead of signing a LW we can try and promote from within.

But thats just it Kupo...youre assuming one of them can just take on that role in the top 6. Kakko is 18 and it really shows. Is he going to back next year at 19 and be ready for that role? Or even the following year? Year 3 of his career. That will be year 4 or 5 of the rebuild depending on who you ask. I dont see the Rangers FO being content with getting much weaker in the top 6 with a bunch of maybe’s and unknowns over the next year or so when they could have re-signed Kreider and had him here to take on the tough responsibilities while insulating them. Kravstov will be lucky if he is in the top 9 next year let alone a top 6 spot.

You move Strome. You move Buchnevich. You move Skjei. Start moving the chess pieces around rather than stocking the cupboard with big sell offs. Maybe you package Buchnevich and Skjei for someone that fills a big hole. 2 NHL players for 1. Kreider will serve this team and organization better in the years to come then the aforementioned above.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

The way Milan Lucic aged has nothing to do with how Chris Kreider will.

The extremely low number of players similar to Kreider who were good well into their 30s is a good indicator. I said it last week: If someone can give me 3 recent examples of players similar to Kreider who were as impactful at 35 as they were at 29, change my mind.

I don't see Kreider lasting long enough for the Rangers to benefit from his skillset when they are contending. Fans always think their player will "buck the trend" so to speak. Fans always think "It won't happen to their player".

 

[RangerBoy]

The TSN list is compiled by…writers, not GMs or scouts.

The writers who speaks other GMs and agents, etc.

 

[RangerBoy]

The Rangers shop window now:
- top rental winger
- cost-controlled, young scoring winger
- cost-controlled, young starting goalie
- signed project-able defenseman
- inexpensive, excellent rental defensive winger
- assorted sundries

Dave Maloney was on Toronto radio last Wednesday. He does not see the Rangers moving a goaltender this season. Unless the Rangers get a bonafide player who jump into their lineup or is close to jumping into the lineup, the Rangers are finishing the season with three goaltenders.

Maloney: Don't think Rangers should be in a hurry to move a goalie

 

[egelband]

Dave Maloney was on Toronto radio last Wednesday. He does not see the Rangers moving a goaltender this season. Unless the Rangers get a bonafide player who jump into their lineup or is close to jumping into the lineup, the Rangers are finishing the season with three goaltenders.

Maloney: Don't think Rangers should be in a hurry to move a goalie

Yeah. That stands to reason. Georgiev may be a long-term option for a team but most teams will be making those decisions in the offseason. Also a bigger pool of potential trading partners. I’m sure the Rangers would prefer to get this settled ASAP but really they don’t have to. And Hank is still a huge wildcard. I still maintain having Hank for two more years backing up Igor makes good sense. And there might even be another fun playoff run in that span if all goes really well.
Georgiev could be someone’s starter and it would be cool to get him that opportunity. Unless Igor falls on his face, no one will feel bad about letting G go be a starter with the Sharks, for example.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Sounds like Adam Huska after going into witness protection

 

[Synergy27]

The extremely low number of players similar to Kreider who were good well into their 30s is a good indicator. I said it last week: If someone can give me 3 recent examples of players similar to Kreider who were as impactful at 35 as they were at 29, change my mind.

I don't see Kreider lasting long enough for the Rangers to benefit from his skillset when they are contending. Fans always think their player will "buck the trend" so to speak. Fans always think "It won't happen to their player".

I’m having a hard time coming up with three players similar to Kreider period. That’s the allure of keeping him.

 

[Irishguy42]

The three-goalie rotation isn't actually a problem until Gorton doesn't trade one of them at the draft/during the off-season.

Until then, it's not really an issue.

 

[pld459666]

What if, in handling a larger workload, Georgiev reveals himself to not be an elite starter, but just a great backup that has hit his prime? What if Shesty isn’t ready to play 50 games a season? We don’t know these things. We’ve only seen either play mostly against less dominant teams, behind a team and under a coach that is playing tighter than they’re used to with Hank.

Those issues are absolutely real and could happen.

That's still not a reason to keep the lesser and aging goalie.

 

[Tossed Medal]

The extremely low number of players similar to Kreider who were good well into their 30s is a good indicator. I said it last week: If someone can give me 3 recent examples of players similar to Kreider who were as impactful at 35 as they were at 29, change my mind.

I don't see Kreider lasting long enough for the Rangers to benefit from his skillset when they are contending. Fans always think their player will "buck the trend" so to speak. Fans always think "It won't happen to their player".

Justin Williams , Patrick Marleau , Gary Roberts , Eric Cole .

 

[pld459666]

We have good up and coming defense men. Quite honestly that is where our youth depth is but we do not have many if any consistent goal scorers that are close to being ready. You start trading a CK and how do you replace 25-30 goals and a top six line player. You can't keep plugging 3rd and 4th liners that will get you maybe 5-8 goals a year. ADA is more replaceable within the organization.

60 point defenders are very very tough to replace

 

[pld459666]

I think the Rangers works go to arbitration before he just walks.

Not on a (as proposed) 3 year contract.

At maturity, the player is a UFA

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Justin Williams , Patrick Marleau , Gary Roberts , Eric Cole .

Marleau had 6 seasons over 70 points. Kreider never even hit 55. Not at all in the same tier
Gary Roberts retired before Kreider wasn't even drafted. Not really a "recent example", and his production dipped immensely after 30
Erik Cole had 2 good seasons after 30, and that was after 3 years of injuries and mediocre perfomance

Williams is actually a good example, but him being the only one, just makes it obvious how rare it is. I just don't feel comfortable betting on something that, historically, isn't likely to work out well

 

[Kovalev27]

But at 35 his contract would be ending sooooo 7 years takes you to 35. To expect prime production thru the end of that contract is unrealistic it’s the 5 years bulk of the contract that you worry about

 

[Tossed Medal]

Marleau had 6 seasons over 70 points. Kreider never even hit 55. Not at all in the same tier
Gary Roberts retired before Kreider wasn't even drafted. Not really a "recent example", and his production dipped immensely after 30
Erik Cole had 2 good seasons after 30, and that was after 3 years of injuries and mediocre perfomance

Williams is actually a good example, but him being the only one, just makes it obvious how rare it is. I just don't feel comfortable betting on something that, historically, isn't likely to work out well

Impactful is not only points . The rangers can not replace what Kreider brings to the team . Kreider’s last years of his contract might not age well but you absolutely need what he provides as part of the transition from rebuild to trying to contend . Let’s not discount Zibanejad’s production and next step he’s taken predominantly playing with CK . If Zib is your 1C and he’s found success playing with CK , and the NYR power play is actually a factor again with CK . The way we draft in the first round and the hit or miss factor of prospects I’ll go with thr sure fire player who still has good years ahead of him over the 18 year old mystery box

 

[LaffyTaffy]

A few more bad losses for SJS and I hope they pull the trigger on a Georgiev trade that sends us Labanc.

 

[pld459666]

The extremely low number of players similar to Kreider who were good well into their 30s is a good indicator. I said it last week: If someone can give me 3 recent examples of players similar to Kreider who were as impactful at 35 as they were at 29, change my mind.

I don't see Kreider lasting long enough for the Rangers to benefit from his skillset when they are contending. Fans always think their player will "buck the trend" so to speak. Fans always think "It won't happen to their player".

What comforts me somewhat is that much like Panarin, the limited miles on Kreiders legs lends me to believe he will be effective later in his career

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Speaking of goalies, what are we going to do with Wall? There's a very good possibility that he doesn't sign with us seeing as how his path to the NHL would be severely blocked over the next few years. Could he be a throw in as part of a package?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

What comforts me somewhat is that much like Panarin, the limited miles on Kreiders legs lends me to believe he will be effective later in his career

I wouldn't call 80 games a year on average since turning pro "limited miles". Kreider entered the league at age 21. Panarin entered the league at age 24. When talking about a 29-year old's "limited miles", that's a huge difference

 

[Edge]

What comforts me somewhat is that much like Panarin, the limited miles on Kreiders legs lends me to believe he will be effective later in his career

I'm not quite sure I see that correlation.

When Panarin signed he was 27 with 322 games under the hood (349 with playoffs).

When Kreider signs his next contract he will be 29 with 540 games under the hood (about 620 with playoffs).

That's a big difference --- to the tune of almost 3.5 seasons. And that's without considering that Panarin is an entire tier above Kreider --- which is a big reason we signed Panarin in the first place.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Speaking of goalies, what are we going to do with Wall? There's a very good possibility that he doesn't sign with us seeing as how his path to the NHL would be severely blocked over the next few years. Could he be a throw in as part of a package?

I’ve said it before, but there’s simply no way to assess the situation until we know what’s happening with Georgie and Hank. They could both finish the season with the team, then get traded and retire, respectively, and suddenly it’s a GREAT opportunity for a kid like Wall to join the org.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Speaking of goalies, what are we going to do with Wall? There's a very good possibility that he doesn't sign with us seeing as how his path to the NHL would be severely blocked over the next few years. Could he be a throw in as part of a package?

I’d be very surprised if he doesn’t sign.

He’s not good enough to walk onto an NHL team and play right now, and he has a clear path to play a lot in Hartford next year if he plays well.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I dont think there will be an issue signing Wall unless he just doesn't care for the Rangers organization which I doubt. It will be him and Huska in the AHL next season with (likely) Georgiev traded or (less likely) Lundqvist traded or bought out. Not even mentioning working with Allaire.

NHL:

• Shesh
• Lundqvist/Georgiev

AHL:

• Huska
• Wall

 

[RangerBoy]

But Lundqvist decided a while back that he wants to stay through the growing pains of the rebuild. His mind could be changing during this difficult stretch in which Shesterkin, recalled from dominating the AHL with Hartford and the heir apparent for years, has gone 5-1 (he will start again in Winnipeg Tuesday) and appears ready to take over the King’s throne. The Czar, or Prince, is here to stay, so Lundqvist’s opportunities to play (and those of Alexandar Georgiev) are dwindling. Lundqvist is struggling with this three-goalie situation and with not being “the man” any longer.

Will he change his mind and ask to be traded? If so, is there actually a team to which he’d waive his no-move clause? One with a need for a No. 1 goalie? One that is close to being a legit contender if it had a better No. 1 goalie? One that has cap space (though the Rangers would surely eat some of the $8.5 million cap hit Lundqvist has remaining next year)? One that really sees Lundqvist, at his age, as not only a No. 1, but a No. 1 that is that much better than its current No. 1?

Nobody knows what’s really going on in Lundqvist’s mind. If he makes it past the deadline, but it looks like Shesterkin and Georgiev will be here next season, he could also ask the Rangers to buy him out, then go make his own deal as a free agent. I think that’s the only way the Rangers will take the buyout route with their franchise icon – if he asks. A buyout would be expensive, too, with $5.5 million of dead cap space next season (a $3 million savings) and $1.5 million in 2021-22.

I’ve been saying there’s no chance Lundqvist won’t be here next year. Now I have some doubt. There might be a five to 15 percent chance. It’s up to him, I believe.

That's what Callahan about Lundqvist. He has a hard time seeing Lundqvist being 1B and the mentor. He could start someone. San Jose? He is boys with Erik Karlsson. SJ buys out Jones and signs Lundqvist in the summer. Doug Wilson has to move on from Jones. Lundqvist's sister lives in San Jose too.

Carp lists Kreider, Fast, Strome, DeAngelo, Georgiev, Skjei & Buchnevich as being available.

Chris would be dumb to take a discount to stay in New York. Shattenkirk took a discount and the Rangers dumped him after just two seasons. Some people said there is no way the Rangers will buy out Shattenkirk after taking 4 years in NY over 7 years somewhere else. We saw what happened.

Everyone expects Kreider to get 7 x 7. The Rangers would like to keep Fast but they will listen to offers.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

The extremely low number of players similar to Kreider who were good well into their 30s is a good indicator. I said it last week: If someone can give me 3 recent examples of players similar to Kreider who were as impactful at 35 as they were at 29, change my mind.

I don't see Kreider lasting long enough for the Rangers to benefit from his skillset when they are contending. Fans always think their player will "buck the trend" so to speak. Fans always think "It won't happen to their player".

Its disingenuous to say Marleau had 70 point seasons and Kreider only had 53. It’s not about comparing points, it’s about maintaining their level of play. I think Kreider has a bunch of 50+ point seasons left in the tank.