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Speculation: Roster Building Thread 2019-20: Part XXVIII

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Thirty One said:
Yeah, he won't be good at 50. He's no Kreider.
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How dare you disparage the good God damn name of Chris Kreider.

The man is our version of Chuck Norris.

He leaps out of pools, he is a specimen among specimen who chews on hockey sticks and shits out goals.

Chris Kreider doesn't direct play, play fears him.

Chris Kreider doesn't shoot at goalies, the goalies know better than to stand in his way.

A bench once up and moved itself rather than allow Chris Kreider to have to sit out a shift.

Chris Kreider nets 28 goals a year because he doesn't want to embarass anyone by scoring 30.

You know those 50 games every year where you have to check if he dressed? That's part of his own, individual collective bargaining agreement with the NHL.

You know why they built that bridge at MSG? So that more people could see Chris Kreider.

Chris Kreider once walked into the crowd at intermission, touched an elderly fan in a wheelchair, and that man proceeded to sprint up and down the aisles.

Chris Kreider will never age, because age fears Chris Kreider.

The NHL is thinking about retiring the 19th pick in the draft in honor of Chris Kreider.

When Chris Kreider sneezes, he is so revered that other people say God Bless You and do the sign of the cross.

Chris Kreider doesn't wear a helmet for safety, he wears it to lock in the awesomeness.
 
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Kovalev27 said:
was going to say but things in life change. Last time he was asked if he wanted to leave hank was the starting goalie playing every night and the team just started a rebuild. 2 years later he’s glued to the bench and he’s been thru what will be 3 seasons without playoffs. For a guy that’s famous for being a competitor I can’t imagine how sitting on the bench next year (and he will) is going to hit the spot. If he wants to keep playing he needs to leave now.
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Yeah, I get all that, but that Carp quote makes it seem like there's a chance he asks for a trade but doesn't agree to be moved to any team.
 
The condescension re: Kreider is ridiculous. It's not unreasonable to think he could continue to be a top six winger for the majority of a 6-7 year deal. It's not unreasonable to be skeptical of that either. And while sports-talk loves its comparisons and its trends, the truth is that there isn't a 'comparable player' to Kreider and there are rarely players who's career trajectories actually line up with averages. If the Rangers re-sign Kreider, it will be a calculated risk, one that they're making with a lot of information. And the inverse is true, too. I'll have my concerns if we re-sign Kreider, but I will say at least that I'll be far happier to take the chance with him than I was with Staal, Girardi, or even Trouba.
 
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Bruner4329 said:
Just like the way they talk about ADA and think he is the next Leetch. Paying $6 million a year for a defense man that has played all of 180 games in his career is insane.
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6m in 2020 is only 7.3% of the cap. That's the equivalent of 4.1m in 2010.

It's best if you look at CH% instead of raw dollars
 
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Staal was a disaster signing before the contract was even drawn up. He was clearly in steep decline and they extended him anyway. He has gone from bad to worse to sub NHL level to maybe the worst player in the league at his position.

Kreider won't be a disaster on that level, but the middle/end of that contract can interfere with them keeping younger, better players and the beginning of it will for sure eat up space that can be used towards improving other areas.
 
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TheDirtyH said:
The condescension re: Kreider is ridiculous. It's not unreasonable to think he could continue to be a top six winger for the majority of a 6-7 year deal. It's not unreasonable to be skeptical of that either. And while sports-talk loves its comparisons and its trends, the truth is that there isn't a 'comparable player' to Kreider and there are rarely players who's career trajectories actually line up with averages. If the Rangers re-sign Kreider, it will be a calculated risk, one that they're making with a lot of information. And the inverse is true, too. I'll have my concerns if we re-sign Kreider, but I will say at least that I'll be far happier to take the chance with him than I was with Staal, Girardi, or even Trouba.
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In fairness, but not a total defense of the response, I think the perceived condescension is directly tied to the vaulted status he has received in recent weeks that stands in stark contrast the majority conversations over the last 5 or 6 years.

I think Kreider could be a path to reaching a desired outcome for this team. I'm not as convinced he is the path to that outcome. And I definitely think the...sales pitch, or whatever we want to call it, surrounding the desire to keep Kreider has kind of taken on a life of its own.

But that's always been the Kreider conversations on here. Some people would you have think he's a second liner who isn't worth much, and others would you have believe he is outstanding piece that we would struggle to live without. And the truth is probably in the middle --- which is seldom good enough for a lot of people. You're either a believer, or a heretic.
 
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Edge said:
In fairness, but not a total defense of the response, I think the perceived condescension is directly tied to the vaulted status he has received in recent weeks that stands in stark contrast the majority conversations over the last 5 or 6 years.

I think Kreider could be a path to reaching a desired outcome for this team. I'm not as convinced he is the path to that outcome. And I definitely think the...sales pitch, or whatever we want to call it, surrounding the desire to keep Kreider has kind of taken on a life of its own.

But that's always been the Kreider conversations on here. Some people would you have think he's a second liner who isn't worth much, and others would you have believe he is outstanding piece that we would struggle to live without. And the truth is probably in the middle --- which is seldom good enough for a lot of people. You're either a believer, or a heretic.
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He's been an interesting player for sure. It seems like his name has come up in trade talks since before he even played a game. First he was gonna get moved for Nash the year before Nash got here. Then is was going for Eric Stall, Jacob Trouba, Puju and the list goes on and on. You're right, the truth lies somewhere in the middle but we've seen this team without him in the lineup, and they're a much different looking team. They're just too one dimensional without a player like him in the top 6. The year he went out with the blood clot, the team was firmly in the playoffs before he got hurt. Once he missed time, they nosedived. Was it all him? Probably not, but you can't say he didn't greatly contribute to their falling in the standings. The biggest issue for me is, there is no replacement for him. You can say we don't have to have his replacement today, which is fair, but you're making the team much worse without having him or his replacement the next two seasons. And why get Panarin if that was always the plan?
 
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My point being, most players even the really good/great ones have some sort of decline in production at about age 32-33, sometimes that starts a little earlier or later, but trying to gamble on that not happening or predicting when it will happen is a tough one. Which is why we see many of those gambles go poorly league wide. The GMs know this, which is why we heard last July/UFA time at least one of them anonymously said something like, he knew he was handing out some future bad contracts.

I think looking about 2-4 years down the road, the Rangers are probably going to need to gamble, not so sure they really need to do so anymore than they already have right at this juncture. Yet I also am not them, so who knows.
 
Bruner4329 said:
Just like the way they talk about ADA and think he is the next Leetch. Paying $6 million a year for a defense man that has played all of 180 games in his career is insane.
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The first time this team manages to secure a young scoring defenseman, some fans dont want to pay him?

How have the Boyles, Yandles, Shattenkirks, and Reddens worked out? Because we've gone that route already.

Again, if you're moving ADA, because of all this great defensive depth, I hope we're getting a "Taylor Hall" coming the other way
 
Pawnee Rangers said:
He's been an interesting player for sure. It seems like his name has come up in trade talks since before he even played a game. First he was gonna get moved for Nash the year before Nash got here. Then is was going for Eric Stall, Jacob Trouba, Puju and the list goes on and on. You're right, the truth lies somewhere in the middle but we've seen this team without him in the lineup, and they're a much different looking team. They're just too one dimensional without a player like him in the top 6. The year he went out with the blood clot, the team was firmly in the playoffs before he got hurt. Once he missed time, they nosedived. Was it all him? Probably not, but you can't say he didn't greatly contribute to their falling in the standings. The biggest issue for me is, there is no replacement for him. You can say we don't have to have his replacement today, which is fair, but you're making the team much worse without having him or his replacement the next two seasons. And why get Panarin if that was always the plan?
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He's a very good player, who I wish was two years younger at this same juncture.

I always perceived getting Panarin as upgrading his position, not necessarily shelling out $20 million for a pair of wingers into their 30s.

But what you're describing has been my concern from the get-go with Panarin. In order to properly utilize him, there's a domino effect of moves that takes hold --- including the possibility of resigning Kreider.

If someone were to back me into a corner right now, I'd say that the Panarin signing, and all that it brings, is a strong candidate to either be the move that people point to as the start of this team winning a championship, or the moment we tried to get too cute with a hybrid model and why we ultimately fell short of our initial hopes.
 
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Edge said:
He's a very good player, who I wish was two years younger at this same juncture.

I always perceived getting Panarin as upgrading his position, not necessarily shelling out $20 million for a pair of wingers into their 30s.

But what you're describing has been my concern from the get-go with Panarin. In order to properly utilize him, there's a domino effect of moves that takes hold --- including the possibility of resigning Kreider.

If someone were to back me into a corner right now, I'd say that the Panarin signing, and all that it brings, is a strong candidate to either be the move that people point to as the start of this team winning a championship, or the moment we tried to get too cute with a hybrid model and why we ultimately fell short of our initial hopes.
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If you can get him for less than 7, I think you do it. Worry about the last two years of his contract 5 years from now. Him and Panarin on the left side for the next 5 seasons with Zib, Chytil, Kakko and whoever else can do a lot of damage.
 
Some thoughts today:

Boston & TB may not only be fighting each other in the standings, but also for the services of Kreider. As a fan I'd rather see him go to west to Colorado, St. Louis, Edmonton or Dallas. (Though I suspect one of them is on Chris's NO list)

How much sense does Arizona - Georgiev make? I'm not sure if there is much interest for Georgie anywhere really. Wait for the draft, or until Lundqvist cracks and asks to be dealt and you keep him (unlikely).

They are on the fence and could be sellers or buyers (or both?) - Would Chicago be interested in trading for Strome to unite the brothers for not only this season but beyond? Dylan is RFA.

Burnside (Athletic, pay-wall) threw Buch's name into the Calgary hat. Oddly, I could see the Caps being a fit as well.

Buffalo Sabres continue to be in the lottery running each and EVERY year. God.

I could see DeAngelo go to the Canes if the Rangers decide to move him.

Just give Lafreniere to Detroit. I'd honestly sign up for that knowing the Devils have another good shot at #1.

Will GM's wait for Kreider to set the market? If dealt, the teams who are lining up for his services should push the envelope to get him on their roster so while 1st round picks and top prospects are being thrown around, a GM like Rob Blake might benefit in waiting to sell off a second-tier prize in Toffoli.
 
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