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Speculation: Roster Building Thread 2019-20: Part XXVIII

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GAGLine said:
Probably, but the only reason he is likely to be traded sooner rather than later is because of Lundqvist still having a year left on his contract. If Hank's contract were ending this year, I think there's no doubt that we would re-sign Georgiev and then make the decision on trading him at some later point.
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I believe that Gorts and JD have already sat down with Henrik and had "the talk" as things have changed dramatically since the start of the season. That could be the reason they haven't pulled the trigger on a Georgy deal.

IMO, I believe Henrik retires.
 
cheech70 said:
Keep watching ADA...he is playing very good hockey..give him a LD that cam complement him and watch out.
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We have good up and coming defense men. Quite honestly that is where our youth depth is but we do not have many if any consistent goal scorers that are close to being ready. You start trading a CK and how do you replace 25-30 goals and a top six line player. You can't keep plugging 3rd and 4th liners that will get you maybe 5-8 goals a year. ADA is more replaceable within the organization.
 
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zephyr said:
Maybe it's just me, but I'm not giving a long term deal and $5M raise to a player based on one year of work.

As mentioned above, he still has a lot to prove....
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So we're just completely discounting last season where he produced at .5 ppg and that he has gotten better every season since being traded here?

I think he has proven exactly what he needed to in order to earn $6 million a year.
 
Bruner4329 said:
We have good up and coming defense men. Quite honestly that is where our youth depth is but we do not have many if any consistent goal scorers that are close to being ready. You start trading a CK and how do you replace 25-30 goals and a top six line player. You can't keep plugging 3rd and 4th liners that will get you maybe 5-8 goals a year. ADA is more replaceable within the organization.
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How do you replace a guy who is currently FIFTH in scoring amongst all defensemen?

Fun Fact, DeAngelo is pacing to out produce Kreider's best NHL season.
 
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Mac n Gs said:
Are they comfortable letting him push his upcoming contract right to UFA? I'm expecting to see a 2-year deal to help retain at least one year of team control, while also allowing them to make a decision on a long-term deal for Fox.
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I'm not totally sure on that.

I think there's a desire to lock him up longer term, but that might not be in the cards.

I think they want more than two years, but I don't know what that sweet spot is for both parties.
 
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Gardner McKay said:
So we're just completely discounting last season where he produced at .5 ppg and that he has gotten better every season since being traded here?

I think he has proven exactly what he needed to in order to earn $6 million a year.
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And it was a season of two halves where he took a significant step forward after the new year, so we're seeing a continuous trajectory of development.
 
mschmidt64 said:
It appears that Carolina should be the team we should be targeting to send Kreider to.

They have centers (Suzuki, Jamieson Rees, maybe even Jack Drury), they have wingers (Puistola, Bokk), and they even have a nice LD prospect in Bean that we could use. All kinds of possibilities there and I don't even know if you have to demand a draft pick if they would give you two of those names.
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could of drafted Drury over the 2nd round G Lindblom ?
 
If Hank gets traded, I could see a potential deal with him and Kreider going to Colorado...

To COL: Chris Kreider (50% ret.), Henrik Lundqvist (50% ret.)
To NYR: 2020 1st, Tyson Jost, Shane Bowers, cond. 2021 3rd (becomes 2nd if Kreider re-signs or they win Cup in either year, becomes 1st if both happen), Philipp Grubauer.

I used the model of Ryan Millers trade from Buffalo to St. Louis for this. I think in everyone's opinion it's fair to say Kreider > Ott, while Lundqvist likely has similar value to Colorado based on the trade off of an extra year of term compared to the advanced age.

Miller + Ott returned Stewart, Carrier, Halak, 2015 1st and 2016 cond. 3rd

Maybe asking for Bowers is a little bit extreme, but figure that COL would value Kaut higher and I know Newhook and Byram are not on table.

Maybe we get Compher instead of Bowers but that subtracts 2 everyday roster forwards from COL which is unlikely for a contending team. Maybe Kamenev + another pick instead?
 
True Blue said:
Could also see more term, if I had to guess. $6 x 5 or something like that.
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$6x5 was floated by a few people over the last couple of months. I think the Rangers would be okay going down that path.

I don't know if they can get there on the years. I think ADA is going to want that shot another big contract in his 20s.
 
Bruner4329 said:
Still don't get it. We are going to throw big time money on a player who has played 180 games in his career and is a minus player for his career and still has too many brain cramps night in and night out. We complain about how our past contracts lead us to cap hell and yet we promote throwing money at a guy who IMO still has a lot to prove.
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How many young defensemen have you seen putting up the numbers that DeAngelo is? For that matter, how many such names have you seen over 10 years, young or not? At some point, you see what you have, learn to live with the defensive warts and find him a Lindgren clone to partner with.
 
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Edge said:
$6x5 was floated by a few people over the last couple of months. I think the Rangers would be okay going down that path.

I don't know if they can get there on the years. I think ADA is going to want that shot another big contract in his 20s.
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If he signs a 5 year deal, won't his next contract be before he turns 30?
 
Going long term with players who will have RFA years starting that contract is fine, they can not have clauses in those years, if they need to trade them they usually can as long as the player does not fall off a cliff, which it does not look like DeAngelo will.
 
GoAwayStaal said:
How do you replace a guy who is currently FIFTH in scoring amongst all defensemen?

Fun Fact, DeAngelo is pacing to out produce Kreider's best NHL season.
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And yet we have people who, if they had a choice would spend dollars on an extension for Kreider and trade ADA.

For YEARS, this board has clamored and begged for the Rangers to find a legit offensive threat on defense. Now we have him and... we want to trade him?
 
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mschmidt64 said:
It appears that Carolina should be the team we should be targeting to send Kreider to.

They have centers (Suzuki, Jamieson Rees, maybe even Jack Drury), they have wingers (Puistola, Bokk), and they even have a nice LD prospect in Bean that we could use. All kinds of possibilities there and I don't even know if you have to demand a draft pick if they would give you two of those names.
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If we're looking at Kreider to CAR, considering recent rumors here is what a Hank + Kreider deal to CAR could look like, imo:

Once again using the Miller scenario, any trade involving Hank would return a goalie. I'd expect Mrazek to be that guy, as CAR could run Hank + Reimer until season end and that Nedlejodivic kid could come up next season.

I would expect to see the Rangers target Toronto's 1st, as they have Boston + Tampa in their future while Carolina could go on a run with Hank and face a beatable CBJ/PIT/WSH (who they beat last year) before Tampa/Boston juggernauts.

Would also expect to see a conditional 3rd (2021) that becomes a 2nd if Kreider resigns or they win Cup this year, or a 1st if both happen (Cup win could be 2020/2021).

Could get any one of Bokk/Suzuki/Gauthier, but would expect the Rangers to either target Gauthier (closer to ready) or Bokk.

As for a roster player, wouldn't be surprised to see Brock McGinn come back as a roster player
 
kinger8998 said:
If Hank gets traded, I could see a potential deal with him and Kreider going to Colorado...

To COL: Chris Kreider (50% ret.), Henrik Lundqvist (50% ret.)
To NYR: 2020 1st, Tyson Jost, Shane Bowers, cond. 2021 3rd (becomes 2nd if Kreider re-signs or they win Cup in either year, becomes 1st if both happen), Philipp Grubauer.

I used the model of Ryan Millers trade from Buffalo to St. Louis for this. I think in everyone's opinion it's fair to say Kreider > Ott, while Lundqvist likely has similar value to Colorado based on the trade off of an extra year of term compared to the advanced age.

Miller + Ott returned Stewart, Carrier, Halak, 2015 1st and 2016 cond. 3rd

Maybe asking for Bowers is a little bit extreme, but figure that COL would value Kaut higher and I know Newhook and Byram are not on table.

Maybe we get Compher instead of Bowers but that subtracts 2 everyday roster forwards from COL which is unlikely for a contending team. Maybe Kamenev + another pick instead?
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I don’t think nyr can retain on both Kreider & Hank. They’ve already retained names & Boston retrain on Belesky. Iirc a team can have retention on 3 players going either way
 
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