Speculation: Roster Building Thread 2019-20: Part XXVIII

[I Eat Crow]

Trading Lundqvist or Lundqvist retiring would open up some space for Gorton to work this summer. He can give DeAngelo a new contract with that money alone, even if the Rangers retain on a Lundqvist trade.

Have said it, but Gorton should be active in UFA this summer looking for bottom six depth options, even if he has to overpay a bit to get them. I'd bring Fast back and sign a Clifford-like player. Girgensons, Czarnik, Nosek, Grimaldi, and Nieto are some other interesting options. I'd absolutely love to get Erik Haula on board, but I think he'll command too much money.

 

[Kovalev27]

continues to improve YOY

probably finishes around 30 pts as the third line center this year in 70 or so games. He’s on about a 36 pt pace thru 82.

next year I think he’s a 45 50 pt player if he gets pp time. (I’m still floored watching Lemieux out there instead of Fil) as a 21 year old. Expect his two way game to continue to improve as well. Great young player just continues to improve

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Retaining on Kreider just allows more teams to potentially trade for him. If Kreider gets traded to the Bruins, the team retaining on Kreider allows the Bruins to add other players assuming they want to. I don't think retaining 50% or not is going to make the offer drastically different

I believe Georgiev's value will never be higher than it is today. Trading him is the easiest path forward for the goalie situation. Once the summer hits, and if Henrik isn't traded/retires, Gorton's leverage is gone. They cannot go into the season with 3 goalies again, and teams will know this. Right now they have plausible deniability because Henrik's potential fate is months away.

Also trying to squeeze Henrik out just feels wrong. I don't know

 

[Avery16]

Retaining on Kreider just allows more teams to potentially trade for him. If Kreider gets traded to the Bruins, the team retaining on Kreider allows the Bruins to add other players assuming they want to. I don't think retaining 50% or not is going to make the offer drastically different

I believe Georgiev's value will never be higher than it is today. Trading him is the easiest path forward for the goalie situation. Once the summer hits, and if Henrik isn't traded/retires, Gorton's leverage is gone. They cannot go into the season with 3 goalies again, and teams will know this. Right now they have plausible deniability because Henrik's potential fate is months away.

Also trying to squeeze Henrik out just feels wrong. I don't know

feels wrong and probably won't be effective. Now imagine starting a season with THAT going on in the locker room.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

Mangiapane looks like a good player from my advanced in-depth scouting of watching them 2 or 3 times on TV

 

[Gardner McKay]

I thought he’d have been dealt by now which continues to make me believe they have zero interest in trading him and are pushing hank out

While I am certainly not discounting this as a possibility, I personally have never bought into the theory of "since X didn't happen by now, Y must be true" when it comes to trades... especially in a situation as complicated as this.

I think Gorton was likely close with Toronto, couldn't get his price and Toronto went with Campbell instead. Now, he is waiting to see what happens. I don't think it is a forgone conclusion that Georgiev will or won't be traded. Same for Hank. I think Gorton has a very complicated situation in front of him, is attempting to do the best he can with the cards he was dealt, and is going to wait it out as long as possible to see if someone gets desperate.

 

[Kovalev27]

By the way not sure if it was missed yesterday but add Darnell Nurse to the list of super talented young Dmen signing 2 or 3 year bridge deals to get them to the next big pay day. Nurse McAvoy Werenski in the last 6 months alone. Not long term deals.

this is probably where Tony ends up. Which works really well for us imo. We can see where Fox is where Lundkvist is maybe Tony is dealt at that point for a stud forward. But not beforehand.

 

[Edge]

By the way not sure if it was missed yesterday but add Darnell Nurse to the list of super talented young Dmen signing 2 or 3 year bridge deals to get them to the next big pay day. Nurse McAvoy Werenski in the last 6 months alone. Not long term deals.

this is probably where Tony ends up. Which works really well for us imo. We can see where Fox is where Lundkvist is maybe Tony is dealt at that point for a stud forward. But not beforehand.

I think 3 years and about $18 million is a pretty good guess on ADA's next contract.

 

[Bruner4329]

Trading Lundqvist or Lundqvist retiring would open up some space for Gorton to work this summer. He can give DeAngelo a new contract with that money alone, even if the Rangers retain on a Lundqvist trade.

Still don't get it. We are going to throw big time money on a player who has played 180 games in his career and is a minus player for his career and still has too many brain cramps night in and night out. We complain about how our past contracts lead us to cap hell and yet we promote throwing money at a guy who IMO still has a lot to prove.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Still don't get it. We are going to throw big time money on a player who has played 180 games in his career and is a minus player for his career and still has too many brain cramps night in and night out. We complain about how our past contracts lead us to cap hell and yet we promote throwing money at a guy who IMO still has a lot to prove.

I'm assuming you're talking about DeAngelo

You're right he's abysmal at defense but potential 60 point defensemen are rare, and should be kept assuming the price is right

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Deangelos Defensive issues are so overblown.

 

[Kovalev27]

Deangelos Defensive issues are so overblown.

agreed

 

[NYR Viper]

I think 3 years and about $18 million is a pretty good guess on ADA's next contract.

I'm going to be upset if they just walk him to UFA

 

[cheech70]

Still don't get it. We are going to throw big time money on a player who has played 180 games in his career and is a minus player for his career and still has too many brain cramps night in and night out. We complain about how our past contracts lead us to cap hell and yet we promote throwing money at a guy who IMO still has a lot to prove.

Keep watching ADA...he is playing very good hockey..give him a LD that cam complement him and watch out.

 

[Avery16]

I'm going to be upset if they just walk him to UFA

If we move him for anything less than a 2C on an ELC, it will be a mistake.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I'm going to be upset if they just walk him to UFA

Agree. Either kick the can one more year and give the man his money next summer when a lot of cap comes off the books, sign him long term this summer and buy some UFA years, or trade him for a haul.

The Rangers can buy some UFA years with a $6 million AAV.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Keep watching ADA...he is playing very good hockey..give him a LD that cam complement him and watch out.

Matthew Robertson looks like he could be a perfect partner for DeAngelo. Wouldn't be surprised to see him get some games in New York sooner than a lot may think.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Skjei-Fox (for now, Miller hopefully takes this spot eventually)
Lindgren-Trouba
Robertson-DeAngelo

That's the ticket in two years. Lundkvist slides right into DeAngelo's spot if DeAngelo gets dealt.

 

[Kovalev27]

They won’t it’ll be a bridge deal. And they’ll decide then if they want to trade him for a heck of a return and give his spot to Lundkvist Or keep him long term.

I think he’ll get a 2 year deal

 

[Fitzy]

I'm going to be upset if they just walk him to UFA

Yeah they should be able to get a better deal on a two year arbitration award than what edge proposed.

I could see, given just one full good year, a two season bridge at around 5.

 

[Lion Hound]

Plenty of room in the bottom 6 for Marcus Foligno. Plenty of expendable assets to obtain him.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I think 3 years and about $18 million is a pretty good guess on ADA's next contract.

Are they comfortable letting him push his upcoming contract right to UFA? I'm expecting to see a 2-year deal to help retain at least one year of team control, while also allowing them to make a decision on a long-term deal for Fox.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

Still don't get it. We are going to throw big time money on a player who has played 180 games in his career and is a minus player for his career and still has too many brain cramps night in and night out. We complain about how our past contracts lead us to cap hell and yet we promote throwing money at a guy who IMO still has a lot to prove.

Maybe it's just me, but I'm not giving a long term deal and $5M raise to a player based on one year of work.

As mentioned above, he still has a lot to prove....

 

[Deleted member 23124]

Matthew Robertson looks like he could be a perfect partner for DeAngelo. Wouldn't be surprised to see him get some games in New York sooner than a lot may think.

I like Robertson....he is quietly efficient.

 

[mas0764]

It appears that Carolina should be the team we should be targeting to send Kreider to.

They have centers (Suzuki, Jamieson Rees, maybe even Jack Drury), they have wingers (Puistola, Bokk), and they even have a nice LD prospect in Bean that we could use. All kinds of possibilities there and I don't even know if you have to demand a draft pick if they would give you two of those names.