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Speculation: Roster Building Thread 2019-20: Part XXVI

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Minmonster said:
If I'm Deangelo I would be very open to a bridge deal. Players like to bet on themselves and if he reaches his potential will have a tremendous amount of leverage at 26 years old
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bridge or at the very least or let him go to arbitration again. No other defenseman is ready so if the Rangers don’t get a solid offer, keep him and play the game again next year. No way I am giving him away at a discount b/c he’s more valuable to the Rangers than a discount IMO.
 
NYSPORTS said:
Dallas can rot for all I care. We could have had an extra #1 pick had they resigned Zucs. If they want Kreider they can pay through the nose.
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What is your damage..?

Dallas tried to Re-Sign Zucc. Nills went on record saying he spoke with Zucc’s agent and he wanted to test free agency.

Even if Dallas didn’t, why should it affect the return for CK? If they are offering the best value, you take it. Simple as that.
 
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Glen Sathers Cigar said:
Kind of a cryptic tweet from Tony D here. The gif is from Game of Thrones when Varys was saying goodbye to Tyrion. Probably doesn’t mean anything but you never know with Tony. Could he be saying goodbye to a teammate?

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Pretty sure it was about the daily boomer politics soap opera, the impeachment thing or whatever
 
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According to Quinns presser Hank is the #1 goalie. Does that mean Georgie is a goner and that Shesty will be the backup for the rest of the season?

Edit: After rewatching the presser with headphones, the question asked is if Quinn believes Hank can still be #1 in the league.
 
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It is nonsense to trade ADA. Only HFBoards would consider trading our best offensive DMan since Leetch. He was what we hoped Del Zotto would be. With Fox and ADA??? I'd rather trade Miller and Lundkvist For a top center for a cup run in 2 years if it came to it. I would rather trade Trouba than Fox and ADA.
But, let's see if some team is crazy enough to offer him a large RFA contract and NYR gets major compensatory picks.
This team is so close to perennial contender status with the young pieces it has now. The defense will shore up in their end. It's already improved through the season.
The Kreider trade will hurt for sentimism but I will get over it.
Buch should also be on the block and if there is an offer gorton cant refuse, I'm sure he will take it. Fast needs to be traded as well. Players like him are not hard to find his replacement is probably already in the pipeline.
Strome is the only one I would keep. I hope someone offers him an RFA contract and makes it interesting. But in the mean time he is good to keep for another year. Crazy that he was acquired for Spooner. What a highway robbery.
I would also be begging Lundqvist to waive. He needs a shot at the grail.
Fortunately the cap problem is more or less solved in the next offseason.
 
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Not advocating or speculating, just reporting...

On NHL radio this afternoon, Mike Chambers, Avalanche beat writer for the Denver Post was talking about the team. When asked about areas that Sakic might shore up, he brought up goaltending and casually dropped Henrik’s name into the conversation. The only name he specifically mentioned.

Just sayin...

I know this has been reported before but I am a bit surprised that it is still being talked about.
 
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bobbop said:
It’s funny...for years we tried to think of every scheme imaginable to get a right hand defenseman. Now we have enough in the organization to stock two teams. No hurry from my POV to move DeAngelo. He has developed into a very nice player, much more than I ever expected him to be. If the Rangers do decide to move him, I expect nothing less than a first line player in return. Value for value.

I also had an thought...let’s say Kreider is willing to accept a Ranger contract offer whatever that may be. Is there a point when you consider trading him instead because the return is so good?

The return for Hayes is a starting point. If Kreider is moved he will bring back more. Better player, stronger market.
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Kaut + 2020 1st would have me say see you in the offseason Kreids
 
Bluto said:
It is nonsense to trade ADA. Only HFBoards would consider trading our best offensive DMan since Leetch.
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And here lies the MOTHER****ING PROBLEM.

Most fans are not saying we should or need to trade ADA.

The discussion has been, what If we could acquire a similar aged 1st line forward for him? You still have Trouba+Fox with guys like Keane+Lundkvist in the system.

That’s something you ultimately think about, especially if ADA wants a monster-contract. That’s what the real discussion has been. Nobody here realistically wants to sell him off for whatever we can get.

Moving ADA would be that rare opportunity kind of move where you’re swapping a young stud for another young stud, and you do so because the cost will be counterproductive to retain ADA, or because you’re dealing from a position of strength to fill a position of weakness.

If it were ultimately up to me, I wouldn’t look into this scenario until I try Trouba, ADA, orvFox at LD.

Leafs fans don’t want to move Nylander. But, a lot of their fans also realize they have AM, MM, and JT offensively and moving Nylander for a young stud defensively could ultimately improve the team.

That’s how I feel about ADA. **** the **** off, unless you’re offering something legitimate.
 
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Ola said:
Yeah, but TDA is only one two-year arbitration award from that exact position.
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That’s still almost 200 games away though. It’s a concern but not something you have to worry about until the summer of 2022. Nils will be 3 weeks from 22 years Of age when we’re at that point.

I respect you’re looking into the future, but you’re looking a bit too far here.

If you can sign ADA to a 4-5 year deal around 6M, it’s almost a no brainer. If he has bigger hopes, you keep it short and sweet and force him to put up or shut up - and even if he puts up, his greatest value as a NYR might be his trade value with the depth we have at RD.
 
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Siddi said:
According to Quinns presser Hank is the #1 goalie. Does that mean Georgie is a goner and that Shesty will be the backup for the rest of the season?
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No the question was is Hank still a number 1 G in this league and he says immediately yes which is the right answer , no hesitation he trusts a legend in G
 
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Kupo said:
If you can sign ADA to a 4-5 year deal around 6M, it’s almost a no brainer. If he has bigger hopes, you keep it short and sweet and force him to put up or shut up - and even if he puts up, his greatest value as a NYR might be his trade value with the depth we have at RD.
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I don’t know how to put this. If DeAngelo is signing for 6 years, that deal is coming in over $6m. After being shorted this season and looking at comparables around the league that signed long-term deals during a lower cap, there is just no way he signs under $6m. I think $6.5m x 6 is realistic. See Morrissey, Dumba, Theodore. DeAngelo is having a way better contract season than any of them, all of whom got more than $5m long term.

Given the unknowns with Lundkvist and many other young players, I’m taking the risk with a bridge at 2-3 years around $4-5m and figuring it out later.
 
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Kupo said:
That’s still almost 200 games away though. It’s a concern but not something you have to worry about until the summer of 2022. Nils will be 3 weeks from 22 years Of age when we’re at that point.

I respect you’re looking into the future, but you’re looking a bit too far here.

If you can sign ADA to a 4-5 year deal around 6M, it’s almost a no brainer. If he has bigger hopes, you keep it short and sweet and force him to put up or shut up - and even if he puts up, his greatest value as a NYR might be his trade value with the depth we have at RD.
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Yeah. I find it hard to worry about two or three years out. Just avoid giving out *bad* deals and the rest should be manageable.
 
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Vitto79 said:
No the question was is Hank still a number 1 G in this league and he says immediately yes which is the right answer , no hesitation he trusts a legend in G
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As I understand it, Henrik as well as Georgiev, have great ‘fancy’ stats which indicate either would do great on a better defensive team or even better than most on an average to below average defensive team.
 
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bobbop said:
Not advocating or speculating, just reporting...

On NHL radio this afternoon, Mike Chambers, Avalanche beat writer for the Denver Post was talking about the team. When asked about areas that Sakic might shore up, he brought up goaltending and casually dropped Henrik’s name into the conversation. The only name he specifically mentioned.

Just sayin...

I know this has been reported before but I am a bit surprised that it is still being talked about.
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That would be monumental, but I wouldn't get my hopes up. Its like with the Shatty and Marleau trade talks we saw the last 12 months. There will be some speculation -- but the odds for someone to bite and trade for a vet with term that isn't playing perfectly is just really low.

Just for the record, Hank is on record saying that a NMC does not mean that you cannot be traded, if the team wants to trade you it becomes an untenable (is this the right word?) situation but with a NMC you have full control of where you are going. But that was like what 3-4 years ago when he was asked how he felt about getting a long term deal with a NMC that meant that it was guaranteed that he could stay in NY for the duration of the contract.
 
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Kupo said:
That’s still almost 200 games away though. It’s a concern but not something you have to worry about until the summer of 2022. Nils will be 3 weeks from 22 years Of age when we’re at that point.

I respect you’re looking into the future, but you’re looking a bit too far here.

If you can sign ADA to a 4-5 year deal around 6M, it’s almost a no brainer. If he has bigger hopes, you keep it short and sweet and force him to put up or shut up - and even if he puts up, his greatest value as a NYR might be his trade value with the depth we have at RD.
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I hope I am wrong, but if Gorton started to put TDAs name out there -- I certainly fear that we would be very disappointed with what the return would be. TDA from now on has all the leverage. One arbitration award for 2 years, which would give him a lot of dough given his numbers, and then he can just jump on the 100% QO for one year and he will become a UFA. Paid handsomely all the way to that point. If any team that trades for him is an attractive location, it might not have a big impact. But there aren't 31 teams in this league that are an attractive location for these players. I definitely think that there are a good 20 teams out there that would be very skeptical about their ability to keep TDA long-term. So they get a short-term asset with a big cap-hit.

I would be very postively surprised if Gorton could get an equal forward with the same ability/upside for TDA. I think we are looking at a little less than what Trouba returned.
 
Why would we even want to bring Eichel here? He's a losing player. If he's not good enough to help Buffalo win why would it be any different here? He's not a guy you win with.
 
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Vitto79 said:
No the question was is Hank still a number 1 G in this league and he says immediately yes which is the right answer , no hesitation he trusts a legend in G
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You might be right. It is so damn hard to hear the questions. I dont understand why the reporters dont have a microfone stand.
 
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