Speculation: Roster Building Thread 2019-20: Part XXVI

[NYR Viper]

McDavid played in the playoffs in 16-17 and his team is currently third in their division - 4 point out of first with a game in hand.

McDavid has Draisatl

 

[SA16]

Interestingly enough, Skjei was a guy who, not unlike Adam Fox, came into the league producing at a pretty high rate --- perhaps higher than most would've expected before the season began. And there was the thought it was only onward and upward from there --- we're talking about a guy who finished at 40 point pace compared to the 46 point pace Fox is currently on.

But he never hit that next level and more or less settled in the role he was originally projected to occupy before his rookie season took a lot of people by surprise. That's one of the reasons why I am hesitant to assume Fox goes onward and upward from here. Don't get me wrong, he very well could. He's a very talented kid, but he could more or less maintain his current level of play. That would be a very good thing, but not necessarily a reason to move a guy like ADA just yet either.

Having said that, I could use this example and apply it to ADA. But I do think there are some differences when talking about ADA. I think most people felt he had this kind of production in him, it was whether or not he could actually put the pieces together and get there. So it's not like this a kid who put up good, but necessarily great numbers as a junior and then suddenly found a new level. Dan Boyle was always seen as a possible end-game for him, and the season he's having is very much in the vein of a young Dan Boyle, only he's doing it sooner than Boyle did.

At the end of the day, a big contract does represent a risk for the Rangers. The question is whether that risk is worth it? In my opinion, it does.

But, we have to see what the actual demands are. I'm thinking $5-$6 million. I could be way off, and that changes the conversation a bit. So I want to find out what we're actually looking at first.

Yes but everyone who actually looked at Skjei's numbers knew the production was a fluke due to an extreme amount of secondary assists not to mention the powerplay points he had which is a role he was never going to have once he signed his contract due to Shattenkirk and DeAngelo being ahead of him on the depth chart there. So I don't think the thought was Skjei's offense was "onward and upward" I thought it was pretty clearly going to be downwards.

 

[rangers1314]

I don't think Jack Eichel's problem is that he's a losing player.

I think Jack Eichel's problem is that he's playing in Buffalo.

Now this has me thinking about that Stamkos deal Sather almost pulled off with Tampa's owner...what was it again? Del Zotto, one of Dubi/Callahan, AA plus a pick? Something like that.

 

[ecemleafs]

Jack eichel is a 23 year old superstar. Hes not getting moved unless he refuses to report next year. The nhl isn't the nba. One superstar is not going to make a team good. Just look how incredible panarin has been this year for us and look at where we are in the standings.

 

[Edge]

There's a long list of players who were considered losing players until they were [insert shock and awe] surrounded by top level talent.

Some of the names that were routinely picked on while I was growing up:

Steve Yzerman
Joe Sakic
Ray Bourque
Mario Lemieux

You want proof? Just go back and read some of the comments in old THN Yearbooks/previews of yesteryear.

One my favorite lines that stands out 25 years later?

"The Nordiques went out this offseason and acquired Wendell Clark based on the belief that the team needed a real, natural leader --- something the 25-year-old Joe Sakic is not believed to be."

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Giving ADA $7 million per to be an top end offensive Dman bothers me a hell of a lot less than giving Brady Skjei almost $5.5 million per to be a middling 2nd pairing Dman.

Or Staal 5.7 to be... Staal.

 

[Edge]

Yes but everyone who actually looked at Skjei's numbers knew the production was a fluke due to an extreme amount of secondary assists not to mention the powerplay points he had which is a role he was never going to have once he signed his contract due to Shattenkirk and DeAngelo being ahead of him on the depth chart there. So I don't think the thought was Skjei's offense was "onward and upward" I thought it was pretty clearly going to be downwards.

Well, I'm not sure the contract at the time reflected that --- nor the comments on here.

I think we, as a board, sometimes look at these things through the prism of hindsight. But there was an awful lot of belief that Skjei could hit a Ryan McD level of production.

 

[Good Intentions]

I think that's understandable.

With rare exception, there are going to very few situations where everything feels right and it's a no-brainer.

Either a guy is getting older, or he's had some injuries, or he's young and there's fear he could get comfortable, or he's had a somewhat inconsistent past, or he's still a bit of an unknown, etc.

I think all of those concerns can be very valid. But when push comes to shove, I think you gamble on young talent who is showing signs of doing good or great things. And ADA is a young talent who is showing signs of doing some elite things. And at some point, because those guys don't come around very often, you take the chance with the knowledge that you could get burned. Or you could reap the rewards for the next half-decade.

Well said, as per usual.

I hate to go back to Buchnevich (Or do I?), but in many respects ADA has all the intangibles that I criticize 89 for lacking.

If we are talking about the next 6 years, DeAngelo is exactly the (insert bleep bleep) that I want on the ice in all our division wars. This guy just has the moxie - to match with the skill. That’s a very unusual piece in the market - and as I said some time ago, I have no doubt ADA may be a total asshole - but he’s our asshole, and you want him in the middle of whatever is going down in the corners at Prudential, Wells Fargo, and whatever other shit city we go into...

 

[leetch99]

I’m always impressed when a GM goes all in. Would be a savage play to grab Hank and CK. But as you say, not really in-character.

Toss in Staal for free...actually let them all go for free and make it conditional picks paying more if they win a Cup...we get the pick of the best 2 prospects they have with less then 70 NHL games played excluding Makar in their organization . They don't lose a roster player for the playoff run and add 3 pieces for depth . Salary retention can be discussed .

Works for me and frees up over 10+ million for next season in cap space....win win . LOL...add in Smith too....can never have enough Rovers on a team in the playoffs .

NHL likely would investigate it though and nix the deal but teams can have uniform rashes and allergies and all that Cap circumvention stuff . Anyways...that is enough foolish trade talk posts for this morning from me...carry on .

 

[Lion Hound]

Brooks believes the Rangers are pairing Lindgren with Trouba to see if Lindgren can handle more responsibility which could make Skjei more expendable.

Im all for moving Skjei out. I want to see Rykov up with the big club getting his chance.

I’m not convinced that the Rangers are looking to move Skjei out though. I think the Lindgren experiment is more about lighting a fire on Brady Skjei’s ass. I feel like the Org goes out of its way to talk about the relationship that Trouba and Skjei have. Feel like Brady was instrumental in bringing Trouba here.

 

[True Blue]

I’d have no issue giving ADA 6 years at $7m per season. None

One need not go to $7m. Nowhere near that. Something between $5-$6 should suffice.

 

[leetch99]

I don't think Jack Eichel's problem is that he's a losing player.

I think Jack Eichel's problem is that he's playing in Buffalo.

Sabres need back end help.....get a goalie .

 

[RangerBoy]

Im all for moving Skjei out. I want to see Rykov up with the big club getting his chance.

I’m not convinced that the Rangers are looking to move Skjei out though. I think the Lindgren experiment is more about lighting a fire on Brady Skjei’s ass. I feel like the Org goes out of its way to talk about the relationship that Trouba and Skjei have. Feel like Brady was instrumental in bringing Trouba here.

The Rangers could be looking to get ahead of the expansion draft which is in 17-18 months instead of waiting until the last minute when everyone is looking to move players around.

 

[True Blue]

I’m always impressed when a GM goes all in.

I think that should represent Sweeney and to a lesser extent, Sakic. The latter has a team that is going to be VERY expensive to keep together in a few years. The former has a great team, but one that lacks secondary scoring and despite having some very impressive young players whose window may not be open for much longer.

To me, these are the teams that may be one player away. Which is Kreider. Heck for Colorado, it may be Kreider & Georgiev. These are the teams that should be going all in. And these are the teams that Gorton needs to stoke those fires with, IMO.

 

[Leetch3]

i'm not against trading brady in the right deal but I think he is hugely underrated here...he's not a top pair guy but that doesn't mean he isn't good. I don't look forward to this place when Staal is getting top pair minutes cause the kids aren't ready yet lol

 

[BKGooner]

As Edge has previously noted Avs and Bruins are also two of the 4 teams with lots of trade talk surrounding the Rangers over the the last 2 seasons. Somethings got to give.

 

[RGY]

As Edge has previously noted Avs and Bruins are also two of the 4 teams with lots of trade talk surrounding the Rangers over the the last 2 seasons. Somethings got to give.

Give them Strome. Re-sign Kreider 6 year @ $6.25 AAV.

 

[True Blue]

But, let's see if some team is crazy enough to offer him a large RFA contract and NYR gets major compensatory picks.

As I have said before, NO ONE is going to offer sheet DeAngelo to a $7+ contract. And if someone was to do it at $6m if I was Gorton I would match that instantly and laugh and the good fortune. Those deals do not have NTC/NMC. If someone offer sheets, Deangelo to $5.5-$6, match it and run.

 

[Kovalev27]

i'm not against trading brady in the right deal but I think he is hugely underrated here...he's not a top pair guy but that doesn't mean he isn't good. I don't look forward to this place when Staal is getting top pair minutes cause the kids aren't ready yet lol

agreed

 

[RangerBoy]

i'm not against trading brady in the right deal but I think he is hugely underrated here...he's not a top pair guy but that doesn't mean he isn't good. I don't look forward to this place when Staal is getting top pair minutes cause the kids aren't ready yet lol

Is Brady really a top pair D? He is on the Rangers top pair by default. If Gorton can get a good deal for Skjei, he should do it.

 

[Kovalev27]

Strome is the guy that if we decide to tie our cart to long term we’ll regret.

He’s blocking Chytil from 16 plus mins a night.
He’s blocking Kakko from Pp1 mins on that right wall.
He plays ZERO defense I mean zero.
And he’s glued to Panarin. Absolutely glued.

He’s a good player but he’s not a top 6 center on a winning team. Do not give him 5 mil plus long term. We’ll regret it.

 

[True Blue]

The discussion has been, what If we could acquire a similar aged 1st line forward for him? You still have Trouba+Fox with guys like Keane+Lundkvist in the system.

Here's the mother-humping problem with that. NONE Of those players are doing what he is. NONE. Some have not even stepped a toe onto NHL ice or North American ice. As has been pointed out, DeAngelo is putting up numbers not seen 'round these parts since Leetch or Zubov. Think of how many years that has been. So to believe that ANY of these (including Fox) are going to be able to match that is completely unrealistic. It has been well over 20 years, and now all of a sudden the belief is that there are three other such players in the system?

It is far, FAR easier to get DeAngelo a defensive partner that will compliment his offensive game than to find another defenseman who will duplicate what he is doing.

That’s something you ultimately think about, especially if ADA wants a monster-contract. That’s what the real discussion has been. Nobody here realistically wants to sell him off for whatever we can get.

Who cares about what he wants? There are three RFA years here. Which means that Gorton & JD have three chances to get a long term deal done.

Moving ADA would be that rare opportunity kind of move where you’re swapping a young stud for another young stud, and you do so because the cost will be counterproductive to retain ADA, or because you’re dealing from a position of strength to fill a position of weakness.

What young stud are you talking about? I have brought up Connor as a comparable. So let's say it is him. What is more rare? A sub 25 year old LW who nets Connors points or a sub 25 year old RD who nets what DeAngelo has been doing for a calendar year?

And saying that dealing from a position of strength to fill a weakness is true in a sense, BUT chances are that you are also weakening your position of strength because the chances of Fox, Kean, Lundqvist matching the offense that DeAngelo has been showing is slim to none.

Leafs fans don’t want to move Nylander. But, a lot of their fans also realize they have AM, MM, and JT offensively and moving Nylander for a young stud defensively could ultimately improve the team.

Honestly, at this point, Nylander does not even get it done. IF, (note the BIG IF), this HAD to happen, it would be nothing less than on a level and age of a Connor.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Strome is getting traded. Left practice early, then Tony D posting emo stuff on his twitter.

 

[EpicDing]

Strome is getting traded. Left practice early, then Tony D posting emo stuff on his twitter.

 

[RGY]

Strome is getting traded. Left practice early, then Tony D posting emo stuff on his twitter.

He has the flu....