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I kind of agree honestly. At some point you have to ask yourself if you’re dipping under the minimum number of experienced vets that are necessary for a decent environment.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread 2019-20: Part XXVI
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The problem with Kreider is that so many moving parts need to start lining up in order to keep DeAngelo as well.
It’s not just you. His game stories have lots of holes. It you read the comments you will see I’ve called him out a few times.
I actually have more confidence in his off ice reporting because he can’t claim he didn’t see a good replay.
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agree, this is still a rebuild. This is not resign the aging, resign all the RFA, build through the draft while signing all of them. You’ll need a $150 million dollar cap.
We are thrilled how well this rebuild is going. The Rangers have added so much talent, have so much more developing and we’re on the brink of adding more talented youth. It’s going better than any of us could have ever imagined. And if someday the need to add a veteran whatever is missing, the will likely be able too.
Be patient people.
We will never be able to fit even a fraction of the kids under the cap with Gorton’s contract management. We won’t have any room under the cap thx to the bridge deals, and will from now on be forced to deal away assets for cents on the dollar or pay them a ton (like DeAngelo).
We all know how the talk will go, “have Chytil earned a 5 year deal at 5m per?” Then the year after we have to pay him 8m for 7 years or trade him away at a discounted price.
I also think that the “shoot first”-crew will get their will through just like when we moved on from Nyls and co to Drury, Shanny and the likes and our offense will go with them, just like back then too...
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Just to clarify on my original post you responded too, Carp writes in the article that “And in what is still a rebuild, trading such an asset brings back the best package of young players or prospects or draft picks, no doubt.”
That’s what I meant on him admitting it’s still a rebuild
Yeah he’s centering their second line. They’re not going to trade him
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There is absolutely zero rush to move him before we know Lundkvist can even come near stepping into his shoes at the NHL level. You have no idea what the team will look like in 2-3 years or where moving parts will be.
I also love how everyone is speculating on that Gorton either can trade TDA (getting crap in return) or sign him to a long term deal at 7x7.
I wouldn’t rule it out, but I think it’s far from given that TDA will take a long term deal. Why would he do that? Security, yes. But it also means that he can be shipped to Calgary or EDM or Winnipeg or Buffalo or wherever he don’t want to go. Why not just go for arbitration and decide his own destiny?
I wouldn’t rule it out, but I think it’s far from given that TDA will take a long term deal. Why would he do that? Security, yes. But it also means that he can be shipped to Calgary or EDM or Winnipeg or Buffalo or wherever he don’t want to go. Why not just go for arbitration and decide his own destiny?
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Skjei is one of those players who got to good and then plateaued. Buchnevich is another. The problem moving Skjei is even if he's not really first pairing worthy he's still the best LD we have. That said his cap is a bit high for what he brings.
I agree on DeAngelo as well and your point is well taken that we are going to probably have to move either Tony or Brady. Tony for somebody like Nikolaj Ehlers would be a good deal for us. I think Winnipeg could use more help on their defense. For us Ehlers could easily slot onto a line with either Zibanejad or Panarin. He is a legit 1st line wing and would enhance any line he plays on.
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We keep bringing up Jessiman and McIlrath forever as huge organization defining mistakes.
If you look at it objectively — Gorton’s mismanagement of TDAs contract — alone — will probably cost us more than those two failed draft picks. Under contract TDA, say 5 years at 3,5m per, would easily have fetched us a really good young forward we could build around. Now we will get less than what Trouba fetched Winnipeg.
And it’s just one of a looooooong line of mistakes of the same magnitude Gorton has made. How much would Kreider fetch today with 3-4 more years at a good rate? Imagine if we locked up JT Miller at say 4m per. What would he have returned? Or Hayes at 4-5m per?
Before these guys got arbitration rights they had zero leverage. As we see all over the league, when a kid is presented with a fair contract that is 6-7 years long they take it, the option is KHL for 5-6 more years. If you trade a rental you get a 1st if you are lucky. Young kids with good contracts are so valuable that they almost never are traded, and when they are they fetch a ransom.
If you look at it objectively — Gorton’s mismanagement of TDAs contract — alone — will probably cost us more than those two failed draft picks. Under contract TDA, say 5 years at 3,5m per, would easily have fetched us a really good young forward we could build around. Now we will get less than what Trouba fetched Winnipeg.
And it’s just one of a looooooong line of mistakes of the same magnitude Gorton has made. How much would Kreider fetch today with 3-4 more years at a good rate? Imagine if we locked up JT Miller at say 4m per. What would he have returned? Or Hayes at 4-5m per?
Before these guys got arbitration rights they had zero leverage. As we see all over the league, when a kid is presented with a fair contract that is 6-7 years long they take it, the option is KHL for 5-6 more years. If you trade a rental you get a 1st if you are lucky. Young kids with good contracts are so valuable that they almost never are traded, and when they are they fetch a ransom.
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If we’re talking the media coverage of New York Rangers then I stopped seeking news from the beat writers a couple of years go. However I’m very happy with Vince Mercogliano as the fresh voice and whatever the official NY Rangers tweeter is doing as a “professional” account.
When you live up in Phoenix and bleed Ranger blue, you take news wherever you can get it.
Yeah not many of those stud rfas last summer took long term deals in particular the Dmen. I have brought them up many times but look at the McAvoy and Werenski deals for what DeAngelo might be looking for. That 2nd or 3rd year with a big salary number that pushes the qualifier way up.
1. I definitely think that Skjei should be traded but I think it’s unlikely to happen.
When things sort themselves out, there is a big risk that we just won’t get any meaningful offers for a LD.
But if we DID get a solid return for him, it would be the best news IMO since the Stepan trade broke. We can easily replace him long term as a LD. Lindgren/Hajak/Rykov are just NHL caliber. Staal has one more year. KAndre Miller, Jones (Jones is easily compareable to a 20-30 ranged 1st round pick) and Robertson. Reunanen is underrated.
I think Skjei is unfairly called out a bit too often, AND I think he will settle down and be much more steady if the team infront of him was more consistent.
But LD is just not and will not be a bigger issue for us in terms of the performance Skjei can give us.
With the saved cap money and let’s say that we could get one of Gauthier/Jamieson Rees from Carolina and our 2nd back — its just something Gorton should jump on.
2. With the cap issues we get from Gorton’s disasterous contract management, it just becomes more clear that we must trade Geo. He is in for a nice raise this summer unless you “force” him to take a contract that takes him to UFA.
3. I also think that Buch must go after Gorton gave him that bridge deal. He is getting better and better, and will be an arbitration award away from becoming an UFA when this deal is done. You basically have to pay him UFA money next summer. Prices will continue to go up, and we won’t like the numbers tossed around next summer after he has been given time to grow even more.
BUT, the damage is already done so to speak. Kravy is also not completely ready. From my POV, the longer we hold onto Buch the more valuable he will become.
When things sort themselves out, there is a big risk that we just won’t get any meaningful offers for a LD.
But if we DID get a solid return for him, it would be the best news IMO since the Stepan trade broke. We can easily replace him long term as a LD. Lindgren/Hajak/Rykov are just NHL caliber. Staal has one more year. KAndre Miller, Jones (Jones is easily compareable to a 20-30 ranged 1st round pick) and Robertson. Reunanen is underrated.
I think Skjei is unfairly called out a bit too often, AND I think he will settle down and be much more steady if the team infront of him was more consistent.
But LD is just not and will not be a bigger issue for us in terms of the performance Skjei can give us.
With the saved cap money and let’s say that we could get one of Gauthier/Jamieson Rees from Carolina and our 2nd back — its just something Gorton should jump on.
2. With the cap issues we get from Gorton’s disasterous contract management, it just becomes more clear that we must trade Geo. He is in for a nice raise this summer unless you “force” him to take a contract that takes him to UFA.
3. I also think that Buch must go after Gorton gave him that bridge deal. He is getting better and better, and will be an arbitration award away from becoming an UFA when this deal is done. You basically have to pay him UFA money next summer. Prices will continue to go up, and we won’t like the numbers tossed around next summer after he has been given time to grow even more.
BUT, the damage is already done so to speak. Kravy is also not completely ready. From my POV, the longer we hold onto Buch the more valuable he will become.
im with you.
but they’d have to move strome/Skjei/Buch at a minimum. I’m operating under the assumption that Fast is going to stay.
they’ll need to replace Skjei too. It’s gonna be tough if Kreider stays
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To fight with Jamie Oleksiak? I don't think so. Dallas isn't really a heavy team which IMO is the only possibly good reason for playing Haley. If Kreider is out--Di Giuseppe will be in.
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