Speculation: Roster Building Thread 2019-20: Part XXVI

[kovazub94]

You definitely should NOT from my POV.

Even if we don’t love how a player plays, if that player is a kid around 24-25 y/o, a handful of years is only a positive for their trade value no matter what the cost, almost.

I have no doubt that Skjei is immensely more valuable today than if he had 1 year left to his last RFA eligible season. And it’s definitely the same with Buch. It is tremendously unlikely that there won’t be a market for him if we lock him up, while it of course would be 10x as good if we locked him up last season.

Just lock around the league. On one side, has there been a single mid-20s guy that couldn’t be traded due to his cap-hit since 05’? Zaitsev could be dealt. Bjugstad could be traded.

On the other side, literary 2/3 of all +31 contracts in the NHL has negative value and can’t be traded.

I know Gorton obviously shares your views. And much rather give long-term deals to guys like Smith, Shatty and co instead of Miller, TDA and the likes. But I just don’t think that approach is justified.

Agree about your position about contracts but disagree that Gorton shares these opposite views, at least not these days. Despite all of the volume of discussions around here it will be shocking if Gorton goes for anything over 5 year and $6m ($$ give or take a bit). You’re projecting.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

3 is a lot though, could be that they were just in the area and wanted to meet up to discuss things.

The "who" is more important than the "how many."

But 3 scouts at the same game isn't something that only happens in the lead up to the deadline though.

 

[Minmonster]

Boston has no cap space so they would most likely want to include backes to any Krieder deal. To me, this suggests closer to a Nash return than a Hayes return.

 

[kovazub94]

What’s the point of trading Fast? Is he really going to demand too much money? He’s an absolutely perfect depth player and exactly the kind of guy you see on the third line of contending teams.

Yes and years (especially) too. IMHO 0ver $3.5m for 4 years or more is too much.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

But 3 scouts at the same game isn't something that only happens in the lead up to the deadline though.

Maybe, but it is something that doesn’t happen often.
You’re right though it probably leads to nothing.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

But 3 scouts at the same game isn't something that only happens in the lead up to the deadline though.

They do it to get different perspectives on player(s) they may target in a possible trade. Doesn't mean a trade is imminent. The Rangers are not playing the Oilers any more this season and dont play the Flames until mid-March.

At other points in the season it's likely to make sure they have their bases covered for an important upcoming match up. Even then 3 is a lot at one game.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Maybe, but it is something that doesn’t happen often.
You’re right though it probably leads to nothing.

I am always more interested in scouts attending non-NHL games. That's more telling IMO.

When I was in Helsinki and met 2 Rangers scouts at a junior tournament, we spoke about the Rangers prospects and also some of the others playing that day, and they are very tight-lipped, but you can tell that they are eyeing everyone.

Another thing I'm always interested in, is to see who they interview at the combine because those can be possible trade targets in the future, like Hajek, Howden and Lemieux who were all interviewed by the Rangers

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Boston has no cap space so they would most likely want to include backes to any Krieder deal. To me, this suggests closer to a Nash return than a Hayes return.

Not true they could make it work without sending Backes

 

[HonestGabe]

Maybe our 3 scouts were local to Calgary and wanted to watch the battle of Alberta

 

[kovazub94]

yeah this is the opposite of what he’s been writing all year. Now all of a sudden he’s writing that he thinks we are going to make an offer to try and keep him.

Just like a few of fans. I wouldn’t look to him to gain insight into the Rangers management views. Brooks - yes, but even Larry mixes up personal views with company views and our job is to figure out what’s what. Not Carp.

 

[haohmaru]

Boston has no cap space so they would most likely want to include backes to any Krieder deal. To me, this suggests closer to a Nash return than a Hayes return.

Backes is signed through 20-21. That doesn't work for us at all.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

yeah this is the opposite of what he’s been writing all year. Now all of a sudden he’s writing that he thinks we are going to make an offer to try and keep him.

He never said this.

he said he wants to keep him, not that he’s hearing that he will be kept.

 

[Avery16]

Who would be our likely trade partners for Strome

 

[bobbop]

Scouts are obviously looking at the trade deadline but they are also looking at players for offseason moves.

 

[NYR Viper]

there’s really no scenario in which it makes sense for both teams where the Rangers would take Backes. Also, the guys shouldn’t be playing.

 

[JMan74]

I feel the same way.

Engvall is probably the best we will get in terms of fit for what we need. I would be pretty happy with him as the return.

Now do we try to go for Salary cap relief and attach Trouba or Kreider in the deal? Obviously that will change the dynamic. Or maybe the salary cap relief will be a separate trade altogether

 

[NYR Viper]

Who would be our likely trade partners for Strome

I would believe a team like Dallas would be ALL over Strome. So would a team like Pittsburgh more than likely. Too bad Edmonton tried it already but man is he almost exactly what they could use to solidify their top-6.

 

[JMan74]

Engvall is an intriguing option. Love the size, and I have to admit, I noticed him in a positive way the last time we played the TML. Had never really been on my radar prior to the last game (not surprising given that he's a former 7th round pick, who spent a lot of time overseas and in the AHL, and is only now starting to solidify a role on the big club as a 23-y-o).

I think Kapanen has more overall skill and speed, and would prefer him as a target, but Engvall would be a solid second choice if he's not available.

Rangers asking price has been high maybe they get both especially if there are other peices in the deal.

We need more cost controlled peices. They may want to make a run. Trouba, Kreider, ADA. A package of Georgiev AND one of those guys would carry a lot of value to them. Even a Salary dump like Staal could be thrown in. Very interested to see what we are able to pull of before the deadline.

 

[bobbop]

Just like a few of fans. I wouldn’t look to him to gain insight into the Rangers management views. Brooks - yes, but even Larry mixes up personal views with company views and our job is to figure out what’s what. Not Carp.

Don’t sleep on Carp. He’s been around for a long time and knows lots of people. He’s also well connected with The Athletic hockey fraternity. He’s been pretty spot on for the last two years.

 

[Gardner McKay]

He never said this.

he said he wants to keep him, not that he’s hearing that he will be kept.

Frankly, I think that is part of the issue. He doesn't always do the best job of discerning between opinion and fact. Some articles it is abundantly clearer than others

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Frankly, I think that is part of the issue. He doesn't always do the best job of discerning between opinion and fact. Some articles it is abundantly clearer than others

his latest is pretty clear though.

 

[Ola]

3 is a lot though, could be that they were just in the area and wanted to meet up to discuss things.

The "who" is more important than the "how many."

If someone want tangible reliable stuff, they should basically check out the day after the deadline and come back after 350 days or so to just get the report leading up to it.

It can be absolutely nothing, but it can also be something. I take that!

 

[aufheben]

Brett Pesce just scrambled off the ice with his hand bleeding profusely.

 

[Tawnos]

there’s really no scenario in which it makes sense for both teams where the Rangers would take Backes. Also, the guys shouldn’t be playing.

If they made it worth our while and retained half, I'd have no problem taking on Backes. Buried dead cap next season would be $1.925m and just for the one year.

 

[Kovalev27]

He never said this.

he said he wants to keep him, not that he’s hearing that he will be kept.

I never said that he’s hearing that he will be kept.

my post clearly says he thinks we’ll make an offer. But again this idea of resigning him is contrary to everything he’s written all yeAr.

see below his exact words:

“I think John Davidson and Jeff Gorton will, after not negotiating much, if at all, make the attempt to keep Kreider”