Speculation: Roster Building Thread 2019-20: Part XXVI

[NYR Viper]

I’d be very surprised if the team was looking to commit more dollars to the left side at this point in time

Unless of course a legitimate top pairing guy becomes available. But even then I would have to imagine Skjei would be on the way out at that point

I think the assumption is that Skjei will be moved no matter what at this point.

I’m still partial to a Tuch + for Skjei deal

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Toronto seems to be the most motivated to trade for Georgiev. Pierre engvall would be my target. Young, cost controlled loves to shoot and has size. All things the rangers need more of especially if Kreider is moved.

I feel the same way.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I think the assumption is that Skjei will be moved no matter what at this point.

I’m still partial to a Tuch + for Skjei deal

Maybe in a couple seasons but I’m not comfortable moving him at this point

Way too much unknown in the prospects to do that. And maybe a trade happens but maybe now

Who knows haha

 

[NYR Viper]

Maybe in a couple seasons but I’m not comfortable moving him at this point

Way too much unknown in the prospects to do that. And maybe a trade happens but maybe now

Who knows haha

That last line is the theme of this entire site

 

[JimmyG89]

I think the assumption is that Skjei will be moved no matter what at this point.

I’m still partial to a Tuch + for Skjei deal

Vegas does not need LHD, they need RHD. Don't think Skjei moves that needle for them as a 3LHD.

Schmidt and Theodore are very good for the top 4 and they have Hague on an ELC for their 3rd pair.

 

[bobbop]

Did you read it? It's all Carpiniello's opinion. He wants Kreider to stay. I read his stuff too. He has wanted the Rangers to keep Kreider all along but it will be tough with their other commitments and the type of contract Kreider will garner as a free agent. He wrote the same thing again last night. He wrote Kreider will have to accept a hometown discount. Carpiniello wants the Rangers to build around Zibanejad, Panarin, Kreider and Trouba.

Not exactly. All season he has said Kreider heading out of town was a done deal. Now he is hedging big time.

 

[leetch99]

My favorite line in the movie.

I was part of the real story that inspired Slapshot. I only wish I had hung around for another year in a Syracuse so I could have been part of the movie.

You had some real characters around you Bob LOL....crazy league . I bought the book on Goldie this Summer and met him when he was here on a book tour . There was some great PEI stories in the book I was unaware of . Goldie was a tough hombre .

 

[bobbop]

Carpiniello wants the Rangers to build around Zibanejad, Panarin, Kreider and Trouba.

I do too.

Add Fox and DeAngelo.

 

[NYR Viper]

Vegas does not need LHD, they need RHD. Don't think Skjei moves that needle for them as a 3LHD.

Schmidt and Theodore are very good for the top 4 and they have Hague on an ELC for their 3rd pair.

Schmidt prefers to play his off-side I believe.

 

[bobbop]

Do tell. I remember that Nancy Dowd was inspired by her brother Ned on the Johnstown Jets. Filmed in the War Memorial in Syracuse I think.

Some of the movie was filmed in Syracuse but most was in Johnstown. Ned was a terrific guy. One night in Syracuse I was filling in on the PA and there was no glass between me and the ice. The whole game he chirped me about what happened with the old guy (regular announcer)...did you kill him...you wanted his job so much.

After the game we went out and had a beer together.

This summer, if someone reminds me, I’ll start a Slapshot thread.

 

[eco's bones]

Does keeping Kreider mean losing ADA ?

I'm trying to figure out away to keep both without losing other players. I believe we have approx 16 million in cap space next year which most would be used for both of them--lets say 13.5-14 million

CK approx 7
ADA approx 6

Maybe a few less coin but close enough.

Staal buyout is a possibility. Shattenkirk's 6.5 cap hit hurts only next year but then drops down to 1.4 the next 2 years

Signing Kreider and ADA would most likely mean Strome and Fast are gone.

Are we trading Buch and or Skjei to upgrade our center position? Yes we also have Georgiev

For all the talk of multiple players being traded signing CK would change the whole deadline and the in flucs of possible additional players.

It can be done but in the end the bigger question is it worth it.

On the fence but out of the 2 me personally I would rather keep ADA and I'm hoping Kreider gets more then we all think.

If Georgiev can bring back Kapenen he could replace CK on the second line and then Kreider gets dealt to the highest bidder.

Money will be there for ADA and Strome. Still believe we deal Fast.

While I like it I don't believe Strome will bring back Greenway plus from Minnesota.

Just some random thoughts this morning.

DeAngelo is an RFA with arbitration rights. I can see him asking for $6 and the Rangers coming in around $4 and the settlement somewhere in between.

The issue with Kreider is more about term. 5 years is about as far as I'd go. If he goes to unrestricted free agency he'll do better than that.

I agree on Staal--we have replacements in place on ELC's. Hajek for one--Rykov for another. There will be savings from buying him out.

Georgiev is a young goalie who will be a starter. Buchnevich a second line wing and Skjei--a second pairing D. Until someone starts to challenge Skjei as our best LD I'd be inclined not to move him. Buch would be the easiest for me to move on from. If we're moving Georgiev my worry is we don't get enough back.

 

[eco's bones]

Some of the movie was filmed in Syracuse but most was in Johnstown. Ned was a terrific guy. One night in Syracuse I was filling in on the PA and there was no glass between me and the ice. The whole game he chirped me about what happened with the old guy (regular announcer)...did you kill him...you wanted his job so much.

After the game we went out and had a beer together.

This summer, if someone reminds me, I’ll start a Slapshot thread.

When Slapshot came out one of my hockey buddies and myself went out to see it about a dozen times--the last couple times the people at the theater just waved us on through without buying tickets. On the way out the last time--no one was about and I swiped the movie poster.

 

[bobbop]

The looming expansion draft makes it logical that the Rangers will have to move a defenseman. You can only protect three unless you want to protect four forwards.

Skeji and DeAngelo are the logical candidates to be moved. DeAngelo, only because the Rangers are loaded on the right side. Skeji, because he is Skeji.

I’m only trading DeAngelo for a young top line forward. No packages, no futures. No exceptions.

Skeji has value but he just hasn’t developed as we hoped and he feels like the most logical candidate to move. Probably an offseason move but I’d be willing to listen now. Given his age, contract and experience, he should bring back a nice haul.

 

[Tossed Medal]

If in fact he was willing to waive is there a market for Henke at 50% retained ?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If in fact he was willing to waive is there a market for Henke at 50% retained ?

A limited one.

 

[CommaSynapse]

If in fact he was willing to waive is there a market for Henke at 50% retained ?

Possibly, but it still might be too rich for playoff teams looking for depth.

If (and it's a big if, in my opinion) Hank waives, we might look to retain half and then send Hank to a second team as a broker to retain another half before sending him to his final destination. Hank at around $2 million would be very do-able.

This was the way the Pens fit in Brassard.

 

[Kovalev27]

Not exactly. All season he has said Kreider heading out of town was a done deal. Now he is hedging big time.

yeah this is the opposite of what he’s been writing all year. Now all of a sudden he’s writing that he thinks we are going to make an offer to try and keep him.

 

[Avery16]

yeah this is the opposite of what he’s been writing all year. Now all of a sudden he’s writing that he thinks we are going to make an offer to try and keep him.

posturing?

 

[haohmaru]

It's going to require a ton of creativity and luck (ie... dumb trading partners) to find a way to keep Kreider.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

I like DeAngelo, but some people are really downplaying the reality of the situation. He simply is not going to settle for 6 million, as some say. Hate to say it, but Remember September.

Like @Edge said, He’s been trending upward for a significant period of time now. At 23-24, there is very little justification for not giving a 60 point defenseman 7+ million. That is what he will want. And if the world turns upside down and arbitration gets him 6, he WILL get significantly more somewhere else.

Also, one-year-deals are generally assign the direction things are going, less the case now and even less so with Lemieux But that’s where we’re at.

So if you want to sign DeAngelo, you really have to be OK with logjams/limitations on the right sign for a long time. And what do you figure will happen with guys like Lundkvist and Fox when they are where DeAngelo is now? What-if, sure. But that’s what hockey is all about.

This situation we are in with guys like Kreider, Strome, DeAngelo would have been great five or six years ago. It’s just the situation contenders want to find themselves in. The problem is that NYR are not contenders. That time will come again, probably relatively shortly, if they make the right moves. Is resigning DeAngelo The right move? I don’t think so, but who am I?

 

[Minmonster]

How about necas and our 2nd for ADA? Necas passes the eye test for me and he's already an effective 2nd liner with definite 1st line potential. He also can play multiple forward positions. Not that I want to trade ADA, it's just that I want a fair return.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Toronto seems to be the most motivated to trade for Georgiev. Pierre engvall would be my target. Young, cost controlled loves to shoot and has size. All things the rangers need more of especially if Kreider is moved.

Not saying he's untouchable, but they're probably going to get him cheaper than Johnsson, Kerfoot, or Kapanen for next season and that's what they need. With their higher salaries, they need either ELCs or cheap 2nd deals and Engvall is one of thos those candidates.

Same goes for Timashov, but he hasn't been as good.

Honestly if they got any of those 5, I'd be pretty happy. The better the player the less likely a pick is involved, but we could use one of these guys to push out the guys that aren't that good AND as potential replacements for guys like Kreider and Fast.

Engvall is an intriguing option. Love the size, and I have to admit, I noticed him in a positive way the last time we played the TML. Had never really been on my radar prior to the last game (not surprising given that he's a former 7th round pick, who spent a lot of time overseas and in the AHL, and is only now starting to solidify a role on the big club as a 23-y-o).

I think Kapanen has more overall skill and speed, and would prefer him as a target, but Engvall would be a solid second choice if he's not available.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

So w 3 scouts who from the Flames are they watching ? Dube , Bennett ?

Every year we do this. Every year we see tweets "scouts from ***** at tonight's game" and fans go crazy.

Scouts attend games all year long and we never talk about it. This is no different.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Not exactly. All season he has said Kreider heading out of town was a done deal. Now he is hedging big time.

He wasn't hedging at all, he meerly said that in his opinion, Kreider should stay, not that he will (infact, the article more or less lays it out for why he won't) or that anyone is leaning one way or the other.

Stop trying to create a narrative that doesn't exist just to soothe your own desires.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Every year we do this. Every year we see tweets "scouts from ***** at tonight's game" and fans go crazy.

Scouts attend games all year long and we never talk about it. This is no different.

3 is a lot though, could be that they were just in the area and wanted to meet up to discuss things.

The "who" is more important than the "how many."