Speculation: Roster Building Thread 2019-20: Part XXVI

[GoAwayPanarin]

Kreider is donezo

 

[LORDE]

People are looking at what Kreider is worth right now and ignoring what and how he will look in years 4-7 of his deal. He’ll be 29. I don’t think many people would be upset with 29-32. It’s 32-36 that’s a major concern for me in a league that continually gets younger

So much this. Kreider has been one of my fav players on this team, but I VERY much doubt he will be when (IF) we are contenders again. Hopefully that will be Kakko or our 1st this draft (one can dream yeah?)

Point being that we have some nice pieces and one elite who HOPEFULLY will be when we are contending. Kreider isn't elite, he will regress. When? We don't know but it's a good bet that it happens before his next deal runs out and we can't afford that regression AT THE MOST IMPORTANT TIME.

 

[LORDE]

This isnt a roster that competes. We'd be foolish not to entertain overpayments for Kreider, Fast, Strome, Skjei, Buchnevich, Georgiev.

I can't like and agree with this post enough.

 

[Irishguy42]

Just my personal preference, I’d rather not spend 6% of the cap on a guy like Buch.

Oh, right. Sorry. I remembered you have that money earmarked for Reaves, my bad.

 

[kovazub94]

$5M for 4-5 years for a Top 6 40-50 point player is pretty much in line with...well...what he should be getting on his next deal and decently comparable to what the rest of the players of the same ilk will be getting.

$5M is just slightly over 6% of the cap right now, and will be around 5.75% to 6% once his next contract comes.

It will be quite alright to pay him $5M/season for what he provides to the team.

It still probably will be under $5m and I agree that it’s a reasonable deal in itself. But he’s doing all the right things and it’s more than just a blind hope to expect him to one day soon to get you a substantial increase from 45 points.

 

[smoneil]

There is just no scenario I can see where it makes sense to hold on to Kreider. He's a UFA. These are the likely scenarios:

1- They don't see him as part of the teams long term future. Trade him and get assets.
2- They DO see him as part of the teams long term future. Trade him, get assets, and then sign him in UFA.
3- They aren't sure if he is a part of the teams long term future. Trade him, get assets, open up some ice time for the kids to see what they have. Make decision on results.

 

[NYR Viper]

Oh, right. Sorry. I remembered you have that money earmarked for Reaves, my bad.

Okay big guy, someone piss in your corn flakes this morning?

 

[NYRangers0723]

If we can somehow trade him for a great package but resign him for a fair but Slightly smaller deal I think that’s a huge win. CK wants to be here he has made that pretty clear so it’s possible I think. Fans keep asduming he is just gonna break down but CK is a rare physical specimen who keeps himself in tip top shape. I can see his body holding up very well until 34-35

 

[RGY]

These are what this team needs moving forward

 

[Shesterkybomb]

There is just no scenario I can see where it makes sense to hold on to Kreider. He's a UFA. These are the likely scenarios:

1- They don't see him as part of the teams long term future. Trade him and get assets.
2- They DO see him as part of the teams long term future. Trade him, get assets, and then sign him in UFA.
3- They aren't sure if he is a part of the teams long term future. Trade him, get assets, open up some ice time for the kids to see what they have. Make decision on results.

The only scenario where it makes sense is if Hank accepts a trade somewhere and Kreider signs for 4 years imo.

 

[Kovalev27]

Since you’re one of the more vocal proponents of keeping Kreider, what deal are you willing to give him? Do you go 7x$7M?

wouldnt be optimal but I’d do it. I think we should offer him a 5 year deal and see where it goes. But I’d go 7 and 7 if it came down to it. I’m tying him to Mika and Panarin as part of a 5 year window. I’ll worry about the last 2 years if/when it becomes an issue

 

[NYRangers16]

Fans keep asduming he is just gonna break down but CK is a rare physical specimen who keeps himself in tip top shape. I can see his body holding up very well until 34-35

Wishful thinking at best, biased decision making at worst. The odds say, this will not be the case. You can go to Vegas to try your luck but thankfully management is more level headed.

 

[smoneil]

The only scenario where it makes sense is if Hank accepts a trade somewhere and Kreider signs for 4 years imo.

Even then--this team is not winning anything this year. Trade him, get the assets and sign him in the summer if they want to bring him back. I just don't see how "Kreider + Assets" can be rejected for "Kreider alone." Sure there's a chance that he has some hurt feelings ala Zucc, but if they communicate with him beforehand, I don't see how it becomes an issue.

 

[aufheben]

Have people forgotten that if we don’t trade Kreider he could simply walk and we’d lose him for nothing? I haven’t seen that mentioned at all.

 

[kovazub94]

wouldnt be optimal but I’d do it. I think we should offer him a 5 year deal and see where it goes. But I’d go 7 and 7 if it came down to it. I’m tying him to Mika and Panarin as part of a 5 year window. I’ll worry about the last 2 years if/when it becomes an issue

5-year contract - you’re gambling at least on the last year or even two for a 29-year old. That is a much bigger and more detrimental gamble on a 7-year contract. Panarin and Zibanejad would have a similar risk to but they will be a lot more useful even in a slowed down form. $7m is also too much for a not all around player like Kreider.

 

[Blue Men Group]

Have people forgotten that if we don’t trade Kreider he could simply walk and we’d lose him for nothing? I haven’t seen that mentioned at all.

I think the thought is that there are only two options by the deadline - extension or trade.

 

[Mac n Gs]

wouldnt be optimal but I’d do it. I think we should offer him a 5 year deal and see where it goes. But I’d go 7 and 7 if it came down to it. I’m tying him to Mika and Panarin as part of a 5 year window. I’ll worry about the last 2 years if/when it becomes an issue

Yeah, 5 years is the term where it really becomes tough for me to consider moving Kreider. I could live with a higher cap hit, but the term is my biggest concern for him.

It’s obviously a pipe dream given how it worked out before him, but I’d like to see a Shattenkirk-type contract where we go short-term with more money to potentially give him another year or two after.

I just can’t see this happening in a reasonable manner. Kreider deserves to get his big payday, and I just don’t think we’re able to do it for him.

 

[LORDE]

Have people forgotten that if we don’t trade Kreider he could simply walk and we’d lose him for nothing? I haven’t seen that mentioned at all.

Because that would be COLOSSALLY STUPID & if it were to happen I'd have no faith in management and have to hand in my NYR fan badge

 

[Avery16]

These are what this team needs moving forward

this team is not worthy

 

[JimmyG89]

Buch for around 4.5 would be a good deal. Even 5 isn't bad, depending on the term.

He's been quite unlucky this season overall, could have a bunch more points, but that could be helpful with negotiations.

Feel like he's a nice compliment for Zibanejad and his game is significantly better on both ends.

One thing lost on Buch is that he is not the liability in his own zone he used to be. Not to say he's a guy like Fast in his own zone, but he's much better along the boards than he used to be.

One thing to keep in mind with the build of the team. Yes, we could easily have Kakko and Kravtsov in the top 6 over the next two years, but Buch is already there. Allows us to easy those two into that kind of a role and gives us more depth, which we lack at the moment.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Insider Trading: Kreider in high-demand; Leafs, Muzzin to talk extension

The return for Kreider will be at least as high as for Hayes and 8 teams are in on him according to Dreger.

Which 8 teams are in on Kreider?

Pittsburgh, Boston, STL, Colorado and?

Previous reports had Kreider nixing all Canadian teams with his NTC. Which are the other 4? Philly? Tampa? Carolina? Nashville? Washington? Dallas? Vegas? Arizona?

Any of the Canadian teams having hopes of convincing him? EDM? Tor?

I’ve seen Dallas.

 

[haveandare]

There is just no scenario I can see where it makes sense to hold on to Kreider. He's a UFA. These are the likely scenarios:

1- They don't see him as part of the teams long term future. Trade him and get assets.
2- They DO see him as part of the teams long term future. Trade him, get assets, and then sign him in UFA.
3- They aren't sure if he is a part of the teams long term future. Trade him, get assets, open up some ice time for the kids to see what they have. Make decision on results.

It makes sense to keep him if they do see him as part of the future and realize #2 is highly unlikely because it almost never happens and trading a guy who tells you he wants to stay and offers to take a friendly contract is seen as burning that bridge.

 

[haveandare]

Have people forgotten that if we don’t trade Kreider he could simply walk and we’d lose him for nothing? I haven’t seen that mentioned at all.

Indications have been he wants to stay. They could extend him now and keep him.

 

[JimmyG89]

One thing on Kreider saying he wants to be here: every guy says this publicly.

He probably means it, so did those other guys.

When you get traded, it has to be a whirlwind of emotions. You go from a team that is building to a win now team that is trying to win a cup.

You realize the business side more than ever before.

He could believe the Rangers are a few years out of competing at that level, but at some point you know you're on the back 9 of the career and winning is what you want to do.

Can you waste a year doing that? Can you waste maybe 2 years doing that? These are all questions you ask, then they're asking for you to take less than the market is willing to go to.

I'd love to re-sign Kreider and keep him here, but at some point you have to think, the return sets up more ammo, another young guy coming in. Another piece to hopefully sustain winning for years to come. Let's management be more aggressive come the draft where we can take advantage of teams selling or shaking it up.

Could we make the playoffs next season with Kreider? I could see it, but can we make it without him and adding a younger piece to replace him in the top 6 that let's us be a contender for longer?

I think that the longer term is the road to take.

 

[Off Sides]

If the Rangers can not come close to replacing what Kreider will be when is 32-33-34 year old the rebuild has not been good.

There are likely several young NHLer, or even prospects who while they may not be in the Rangers system, are going to be as productive or more so over those years.

The whole question is if the Rangers can identify them and trade for them. If they can all is good. If they can not it really does not matter what they do as their scouting/foresight/management skills are not good enough for them to build anything near Cup worthy regardless if they keep Kreider or not. If it's too difficult for them to replace a unique yet still a ~55 point player, what are they really doing taking on a rebuild in the first place?