Speculation: Roster Building Thread 2019-20: Part XXVI

[Heckler81]

Keeping Buch long-term is such an easy decision. At worst, you have a guy that’s a cost-controlled 45 point second winger. At best, you have a complementary piece that has chemistry with your 1C with 60+ point potential. He’s been such a better all-around player this season that’s had some horrible puck luck.

It’s a good thing that Quinn is well aware of how well he’s played lately and is sticking with him on the top line. They even mentioned how he’s had 30 scoring chances over this last stretch despite only having 2 goals.

I trade Buch if a good deal comes along. He’s a keeper at 3.25m but that contract expires at the end of next year. I don’t think a 45 point player should get 4+m a year. I rather chance Kravtsov in his role and expect a 45 point production for much less.

 

[Heckler81]

To piggy-back on my last text.

I feel our future in the top 2 lines will consist of Panarin, Zibby, Kakko, Chytil, and Kravtsov. We have 3 cheap contracts on the top 2 lines. I would like to go for a high price top Center to fill out the last spot.

I think our future is something like

Panarin-High Price Center-Kakko
Chytil-Zibby-Kravtsov

 

[pld459666]

Let me tell you, Domi was a beast last year as a C and although he can and has played wing in Arizona, he was drafted as a C, and they traded Galchenyuk for the reason that he would play C in Montreal, because of the lack of C depth in Mtl. This year because of the injuries and lack of depth on the Habs he's been playing with Lekhonen and Armia/Weal/Cousins...lol! Still 3rd in points on the Habs...LMAO
I agree that KK was a reach at #3, considering he never dominated the Finish league, even his draft year, and you're correct, he was a riser in the draft. He needs time in the AHL, since he's being scratched at times this year.
Getting back to the original post about Strome, he would improve the Habs slightly, considering he wouldn't be flanked by Panarin...

Not impressed with Domi and his outlier of a season.

Reminds me of Nick Foligno and his 70+ point season.

Never to come close again

 

[cheech70]

To piggy-back on my last text.

I feel our future in the top 2 lines will consist of Panarin, Zibby, Kakko, Chytil, and Kravtsov. We have 3 cheap contracts on the top 2 lines. I would like to go for a high price top Center to fill out the last spot.

I think our future is something like

Panarin-High Price Center-Kakko
Chytil-Zibby-Kravtsov

Chytil is the future 2C

 

[FIRE DRURY]

ADA being ADA

What a locker room cancer that guy is.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I trade Buch if a good deal comes along. He’s a keeper at 3.25m but that contract expires at the end of next year. I don’t think a 45 point player should get 4+m a year. I rather chance Kravtsov in his role and expect a 45 point production for much less.

Right, and that's fine if the right trade comes along. Every player has a price. However, I still think it's a bit premature to be penciling in Kravtsov to Buch's spot right now. If anything, I can see him starting at 3LW and dealing with a few call-ups before fully cementing himself in the lineup.

 

[NYSPORTS]

All competitive teams are in "cap hell". Part of the equation.

yeah but we’ll lose players we don’t want to lose under your scenario IMO.

move out Brady like you proposed and immediately you’ll use up all that space on Kreider. Add in ADA, Strome, Fast and your so strapped that the Kakko’s Fox and at least a half dozen other kids, which are supposed to be your foundation of this rebuild, are suddenly forced into bridge deals and lost soon after. You have to rotate the stock and you won’t be able to by resigning all those players now.

Not losing the enter pieces of a rebuild so I hang onto aging or lesser players with lower long term ceilings.

 

[mas0764]

Kreider is going to net nothing short of an absolute ransom.

I’m a huge Kreider fan (and have been through the scoring droughts) so I’m trying to come to terms with this impending trade.

We are going to get a top-flight prospect and the first round pick. not either. Both.

I'll drop the first rounder demand if Avs pony up Newhook.

 

[mas0764]

To piggy-back on my last text.

I feel our future in the top 2 lines will consist of Panarin, Zibby, Kakko, Chytil, and Kravtsov. We have 3 cheap contracts on the top 2 lines. I would like to go for a high price top Center to fill out the last spot.

I think our future is something like

Panarin-High Price Center-Kakko
Chytil-Zibby-Kravtsov

.

What about our first this year?

 

[NYSPORTS]

Regarding the low return for Zuccarello last year... you have to remember that last years deadline was an anomaly. There were 10 top-6 forwards traded around deadline time last season (Stone, Duchene, Dzingel, Hayes, Zuccarello, Nyquist, Johansson, Simmonds, Coyle, Granlund). 8 of them were on expiring contracts.s

good call and hope the return for Kreider is better. Still surprised and selfishly angry the Stars didn’t resign Zucs which would have resulted in another #1 pick for the Rangers. Honestly however, why the heck would the Stars have made that deal in the first place? So they could have an ok playoff showing rather than a bad showing?

 

[BleedinBLUEsince92]

My personal opinion. If Kreider is willing to sign for around $6.75m, I'm fine with keeping him. If teams are offering a 1st+ somewhat decent player/prospect (similar to Hayes trade), then I'm fine with that too. It's a tough decision that can go either way. On one hand, Kreider is a unique talent with his size, strength, and speed that will be hard to replace. On the other hand, there are times where you are left with wanting more from him because of that unique skillset.

 

[MrPodz]

Am i the only one who thinks hes getting a better return than hayes? Theres no one on the market, save for maybe pageu from ott.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Am i the only one who thinks hes getting a better return than hayes? Theres no one on the market, save for maybe pageu from ott.

No, you’re not.

 

[Blue Men Group]

I get that the Rangers want to bring the Kreider trade down to the wire, but they’re risking an injury by doing so. I hope they make a decision soon.

 

[aufheben]

I believe Kreider gets more than Hayes when I see it. No reason to get the hopes up.

 

[Calad]

Am i the only one who thinks hes getting a better return than hayes? Theres no one on the market, save for maybe pageu from ott.

It seems there is a much larger market for Kreider than there was for Hayes. I think Kreider is just that far ahead of the rest of the rental class that we could be looking at a Nash like return, which as of now looks pretty amazing.

Nash went for a 1st (26th, used to trade up to 22 to grab K'Andre), Ryan Lindgren, Ryan Spooner (who was exchanged for Strome early the following season), Beleskey @50%(been a goot vet for hartford according to what i've seen/read) and a 7th. We got 3 prime assets for Nash and only absorbed a net 900k in salary cap when all was said and done.

 

[Avery16]

three weeks to go

 

[Avery16]

It seems there is a much larger market for Kreider than there was for Hayes. I think Kreider is just that far ahead of the rest of the rental class that we could be looking at a Nash like return, which as of now looks pretty amazing.

Nash went for a 1st (26th, used to trade up to 22 to grab K'Andre), Ryan Lindgren, Ryan Spooner (who was exchanged for Strome early the following season), Beleskey @50%(been a goot vet for hartford according to what i've seen/read) and a 7th. We got 3 prime assets for Nash and only absorbed a net 900k in salary cap when all was said and done.

They cant all be Sweeneys, unfortunately

 

[NYR Viper]

People are looking at what Kreider is worth right now and ignoring what and how he will look in years 4-7 of his deal. He’ll be 29. I don’t think many people would be upset with 29-32. It’s 32-36 that’s a major concern for me in a league that continually gets younger

 

[Calad]

They cant all be Sweeneys, unfortunately

One of them is still Sweeney, so we have that going for us, which is nice

 

[kovazub94]

The reason I see Strome as less risky is his youth combined with a willingness to take a shorter deal.

7 years for Kreider takes him to 35.

Cheaper, shorter, easier to move or “eat” if things don’t work out.

 

[NYR Viper]

My concern with Buchnevich is his next contract and how it correlates to his play. If he would accept a 4 year deal at about what he’s making now I’d be okay with that. If he’s looking for something closer to $5m I’m not comfortable there.

 

[Irishguy42]

My concern with Buchnevich is his next contract and how it correlates to his play. If he would accept a 4 year deal at about what he’s making now I’d be okay with that. If he’s looking for something closer to $5m I’m not comfortable there.

$5M for 4-5 years for a Top 6 40-50 point player is pretty much in line with...well...what he should be getting on his next deal and decently comparable to what the rest of the players of the same ilk will be getting.

$5M is just slightly over 6% of the cap right now, and will be around 5.75% to 6% once his next contract comes.

It will be quite alright to pay him $5M/season for what he provides to the team.

 

[Avery16]

This isnt a roster that competes. We'd be foolish not to entertain overpayments for Kreider, Fast, Strome, Skjei, Buchnevich, Georgiev.

 

[NYR Viper]

$5M for 4-5 years for a Top 6 40-50 point player is pretty much in line with...well...what he should be getting on his next deal and decently comparable to what the rest of the players of the same ilk will be getting.

$5M is just slightly over 6% of the cap right now, and will be around 5.75% to 6% once his next contract comes.

It will be quite alright to pay him $5M/season for what he provides to the team.

Just my personal preference, I’d rather not spend 6% of the cap on a guy like Buch.