Speculation: Roster Building Thread 2019-20 Part XXV

[bobbop]

The Rangers just happen to have a former NHL goaltender as their President. I’m sure JD has checked in on Igor in Hartford and of course he saw him in New York. If he passed that eye test, it would seem that a deal for Georgiev could come sooner than later.

 

[Edge]

The Rangers just happen to have a former NHL goaltender as their President. I’m sure JD has checked in on Igor in Hartford and of course he saw him in New York. If he passed that eye test, it would seem that a deal for Georgiev could come sooner than later.

I said this in a PM conversation the other day, but I get the sense that the Rangers have something close to the finish line.

 

[Fitzy]

I agree.

You have to get one, there’s no other way you can look at yourself in the mirror.

You have to get another player back who can give you 5 or more years of high-end, impactful play. You simply must.

Which is amazing in a meta sense because if you looked back two years ago today on the Stepan trade and tried to argue that DeAngelo, not Lias Andersson would be the big get from that deal 99% of this board would have laughed you onto the NYR posting board website.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

I said this in a PM conversation the other day, but I get the sense that the Rangers have something close to the finish line.

Dont tease me sir.

 

[Edge]

Which is amazing in a meta sense because if you looked back two years ago today on the Stepan trade and tried to argue that DeAngelo, not Lias Andersson would be the big get from that deal 99% of this board would have laughed you onto the NYR posting board website.

I remember repeatedly saying that no one should view ADA as a throw-in and that the Rangers specifically targeted him. But I can’t even pretend to say that I expected ADA to be doing what he’s doing at this point.

Pushing for 40, maybe 50? Sure, that was within the realm of expectations if everything fell into place.

But pushing past 50? Even presenting the possibility to challenge for 60? At 24 years old? Can’t say I would’ve taken that bet.

 

[Edge]

Dont tease me sir.

I don’t have details, it’s only a hunch based on comments and feedback that San Jose was stepping up their pursuit. Not even sure if it’s them or if they are pushing another team like Toronto to close the deal.

You know who I can’t quite shake off as a dark horse, yet again? Carolina.

They’ve supposedly pinged the Rangers, maybe even on more than one front. I just can’t help but think they might be a team that kind of swoops in on a player if they really him.

 

[Good Intentions]

I don’t have details, it’s only a hunch based on comments and feedback that San Jose was stepping up their pursuit. Not even sure if it’s them or if they are pushing another team like Toronto to close the deal.

You know who I can’t quite shake off as a dark horse, yet again? Carolina.

They’ve supposedly pinged the Rangers, maybe even on more than one front. I just can’t help but think they might be a team that kind of swoops in on a player if they really him.

I’m illogically confident JD is holding Georgiev, with a farewell plan for Henrik in Colorado next fall.

 

[Edge]

I’m illogically confident JD is holding Georgiev, with a farewell plan for Henrik in Colorado next fall.

Remember, Carolina is going to have some familiarity with the Rangers personnel in the aftermath of the Fox trade.

I know everyone has visions of Kapanen or Labanc dancing in their heads, but I can’t help but feel the market might still be a second round pick. And the Canes own the Rangers second round pick...

 

[mike14]

Watching the Oilers/Flames games and the Oilers should really be inquiring about a package of Skjei and Georgiev, they need a LOT of help on the defensive end

 

[RGY]

Watching the Oilers/Flames games and the Oilers should really be inquiring about a package of Skjei and Georgiev, they need a LOT of help on the defensive end

They really dont have anything that we should want. Who are they dealing? Castaway Puljujarvi? Yeah not giving up anything other than a draft pick for Puljujarvi, or a struggling prospect aka Lias Andersson whom Holland already said no to.

If Edmonton isn’t dealing Nurse then there isnt much else for me.

Also no way do I want to see Kreider in a Penguins jersey. That is cringeworthy stuff.

 

[mike14]

They really dont have anything that we should want. Who are they dealing? Castaway Puljujarvi? Yeah not giving up anything other than a draft pick for Puljujarvi, or a struggling prospect aka Lias Andersson whom Holland already said no to.

If Edmonton isn’t dealing Nurse then there isnt much else for me.

Also no way do I want to see Kreider in a Penguins jersey. That is cringeworthy stuff.

Wouldn't be popular on here but a deal around RNH for Skjei I'd be more than ok with.
Gives us a good pivot that means Strome can be pushed to a wing (or traded if there's offers), shouldn;t get too much of a raise after next season, and I think his game will improve away from EDM

 

[bobbop]

I’ve always wondered why Detroit and Ottawa aren’t in the Georgiev conversation. Both desperately need a goaltender and neither has a first rate prospect in their system. Both also have plenty of draft capital. Ottawa may be eyeing Askarov with their second first round pick but that plan could blow up in a number of ways. Got to think GMJG has given them a call.

 

[RGY]

Wouldn't be popular on here but a deal around RNH for Skjei I'd be more than ok with.
Gives us a good pivot that means Strome can be pushed to a wing (or traded if there's offers), shouldn;t get too much of a raise after next season, and I think his game will improve away from EDM

RNH is not improving here. He is what he is at this point imo. And it doesnt matter, because EDM is thin at center. They are in the midst of a playoff run. They arent trading a key component to their team.

Maybe after the season this could be entertained. But I think Strome can provide enough of what RNH does and for cheaper. You can spend the money better elsewhere plus RNH will be due a new contract soon.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I said this in a PM conversation the other day, but I get the sense that the Rangers have something close to the finish line.

I remember repeatedly saying that no one should view ADA as a throw-in and that the Rangers specifically targeted him. But I can’t even pretend to say that I expected ADA to be doing what he’s doing at this point.

Pushing for 40, maybe 50? Sure, that was within the realm of expectations if everything fell into place.

But pushing past 50? Even presenting the possibility to challenge for 60? At 24 years old? Can’t say I would’ve taken that bet.

I don’t have details, it’s only a hunch based on comments and feedback that San Jose was stepping up their pursuit. Not even sure if it’s them or if they are pushing another team like Toronto to close the deal.

You know who I can’t quite shake off as a dark horse, yet again? Carolina.

They’ve supposedly pinged the Rangers, maybe even on more than one front. I just can’t help but think they might be a team that kind of swoops in on a player if they really him.

Remember, Carolina is going to have some familiarity with the Rangers personnel in the aftermath of the Fox trade.

I know everyone has visions of Kapanen or Labanc dancing in their heads, but I can’t help but feel the market might still be a second round pick. And the Canes own the Rangers second round pick...

Take us out to Dinner before mind****ing us next time, please.

 

[n8]

RNH is not improving here. He is what he is at this point imo. And it doesnt matter, because EDM is thin at center. They are in the midst of a playoff run. They arent trading a key component to their team.

Maybe after the season this could be entertained. But I think Strome can provide enough of what RNH does and for cheaper. You can spend the money better elsewhere plus RNH will be due a new contract soon.

Fairly certain RNH has been playing LW most of the season. Possibly last season as well.

Of the Toronto players, I rather get Johnsson over Kapanen. Fills our holes better. I suppose you could get Kapanen and have him duke it out with Kravtsov but that might stiffle Kravtsov's development. Horse before the cart shit but I am assuming Kravtsov gets his shit together over the course of the rest of this season. He will not want a repeat of this season when he enters the summer and will have to work his ass off. So we can put ourselves in a unenviable situation where we have to figure out which one to trade because I don't think it would serve either very well to have them wallow in the bottom 6 - or - get Johnsson, fill the hole on LW - ideally he slots in on the 3rd line and can also provide PK. The big flip side on Kapanen is 2 years younger so I mean, they are both good players. We'll just have to see IF Gorton deals with TML and who, if any of those players he gets.

 

[egelband]

Watching the Oilers/Flames games and the Oilers should really be inquiring about a package of Skjei and Georgiev, they need a LOT of help on the defensive end

Is there any indication Skjei is on the move? Isn’t that just an HF boards conjecture?

 

[BBKers]

In a casual discussion yesterday - I heard this.
“LA might have some interest in Lias Andersson as a reclamation thing. If he shows he can still play his hockey at HV. His Dad being there and all makes it kind of intriguing. LA has some interesting pieces but will rebuild. Rangers need a solid piece to police the blue line. They are likely going to buy out Staal unless he goes on LTIR.

A big tough and youngish guy like Kurtis MacDermid as a 3 LD that can play hockey but clean the crease would fit the Rangers long term plans. An offseason deal. Maybe with a small NYR add.”

 

[apoptygma]

I’ve always wondered why Detroit and Ottawa aren’t in the Georgiev conversation. Both desperately need a goaltender and neither has a first rate prospect in their system. Both also have plenty of draft capital. Ottawa may be eyeing Askarov with their second first round pick but that plan could blow up in a number of ways. Got to think GMJG has given them a call.

They might be both watching Askarov, and see Georgiev as plan-B/day2 of draft backup plan. Neither of those teams really wants to be good this season, so they can afford to wait it out a bit. I can see both teams be interested in Askarov in a spot around 5-10 at the draft, and I think they will wait until the final draft order is set until they pursue Geargiev.

 

[apoptygma]

I think all the DeAngelo trade talk is way to premature. Unless the contract talk goes really sour I doubt we will see him moved until Fox are done with his ELC. In 2 years time Keane or Lundkvist should really be pushing for a spot. DeAngelo as either a RFA finishing a 2 year bridge or on a longer contract should hold a massive value around the league. A 50+ point RD, with very impressive advanced stats, and still just entering his prime should return a top prospect in our position of need, or a very high draft pick.

I believe we all like DeAngelo a ton, and its confident his ability has not peaked yet. I can't really remember a compareable trade, but it should net us atleast 1 long time peace for a team taht should be able to challenge for the cup over a long period.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I am confused though. We can’t spent $22+ on three RDs, but we can spend $22+ million on three left wings and hope to win?

(Panarin; Kreider/Connor/whoever we get for ADA; and Lemieux)

And if Fox becomes a 60 point defenseman, and Lundkvist, Keane, whoever actually forced the issue, why can’t we move ADA then?

Wouldn’t that be a safer approach than trading ADA and hoping those guys can be what you describe?

I think we have to be careful just assuming other guys can be as good as what we actually have - even if they show early promise. You don’t wait 20 years to get a guy who scores 20 goals and 60 points, only to trade him with the idea that you hope the next guy can get close to that.

There’s a reason it took 20 years to find a guy who can post 20/60, because it’s not that common...

Kreider is gone. DeAngelo hasnt scored 20/60 yet, he is on pace for that but Hayes was on pace for 80 at one point last year too, it didnt make him an 80 point player. This would be a career high for DeAngelo, I'd guess it was the new norm but there is no guarantee,so I'd be nervous dumping money into a position we are deepest in if the dollar and term weren't on a discount for a "60 point" guy when there are holes up front everywhere. If it's a bridge deal I'm ok with it but I'm not comfortable giving a long term deal for 1 year of offensive production from a defenseman who is average in his own end.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I think all the DeAngelo trade talk is way to premature. Unless the contract talk goes really sour I doubt we will see him moved until Fox are done with his ELC. In 2 years time Keane or Lundkvist should really be pushing for a spot. DeAngelo as either a RFA finishing a 2 year bridge or on a longer contract should hold a massive value around the league. A 50+ point RD, with very impressive advanced stats, and still just entering his prime should return a top prospect in our position of need, or a very high draft pick.

I believe we all like DeAngelo a ton, and its confident his ability has not peaked yet. I can't really remember a compareable trade, but it should net us atleast 1 long time peace for a team taht should be able to challenge for the cup over a long period.

Maybe I'm wrong but I feel DeAngelo will wanna get paid this time, a long term deal because of how uncertain the start to his career was.

 

[Ola]

I remember repeatedly saying that no one should view ADA as a throw-in and that the Rangers specifically targeted him. But I can’t even pretend to say that I expected ADA to be doing what he’s doing at this point.

Pushing for 40, maybe 50? Sure, that was within the realm of expectations if everything fell into place.

But pushing past 50? Even presenting the possibility to challenge for 60? At 24 years old? Can’t say I would’ve taken that bet.

Where is @Vinny DeAngelo , he called it!?

I just hope his contract situation can be salvaged. It always feels a little wrong to say "I told you [not you Edge, figure of speech] so", but I did.... When TDA first came up he was, to be brutally honest, dealt a completely crappy hand. A total logjam on the blueline and everyone ahead of him needed special attention and top minutes to perform. The Shatty mess. A really crappy team. He had to sit cold for long stretches, then jump onto the ice when cold and "asked" (he doesn't know anything else) to play a small margin game. Distribute the puck and skate with it under heavy pressure. This is what is hard in the NHL. The decision making part of it. Stick-handle, skate, shoot, there are many in the hockey world that can do that. But to make the right decision in situations where it really is literary a split decision call, that is tremendously hard. And when a PMD drives the puck up center ice zig zagging between forecheckers the passing option to the LW can be the right call at 12 minutes and 30 seconds and 50/100 of a second into the 1st period, and but 75/100 of a second later it can be the right call to pass it to the center instead. From day one TDA has just delivered in this area in a jaw dropping fashion. I used the term "I am blown away..." by his play in that area from Day 1 and I think that was fitting.

With that said, I am not sure that TDA is worth top dollars. What do we do if it comes to that? If we trade him now his value will be greatly affected by his contract situation. Nobody will give up an equal young forward for TDA given his contract situation. What could we get for TDA? A mid 1st +? A somewhat promising forward that hasn't broken out or that is struggling? If TDA had a solid contract he would have fetched someone like Keller surely. Instead we are maybe looking at a Alex Nylander type...

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Where is @Vinny DeAngelo , he called it!?
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I just hope his contract situation can be salvaged. It always feels a little wrong to say "I told you [not you Edge, figure of speech] so", but I did.... When TDA first came up he was, to be brutally honest, dealt a completely crappy hand. A total logjam on the blueline and everyone ahead of him needed special attention and top minutes to perform. The Shatty mess. A really crappy team. He had to sit cold for long stretches, then jump onto the ice when cold and "asked" (he doesn't know anything else) to play a small margin game. Distribute the puck and skate with it under heavy pressure. This is what is hard in the NHL. The decision making part of it. Stick-handle, skate, shoot, there are many in the hockey world that can do that. But to make the right decision in situations where it really is literary a split decision call, that is tremendously hard. And when a PMD drives the puck up center ice zig zagging between forecheckers the passing option to the LW can be the right call at 12 minutes and 30 seconds and 50/100 of a second into the 1st period, and but 75/100 of a second later it can be the right call to pass it to the center instead. From day one TDA has just delivered in this area in a jaw dropping fashion. I used the term "I am blown away..." by his play in that area from Day 1 and I think that was fitting.

With that said, I am not sure that TDA is worth top dollars. What do we do if it comes to that? If we trade him now his value will be greatly affected by his contract situation. Nobody will give up an equal young forward for TDA given his contract situation. What could we get for TDA? A mid 1st +? A somewhat promising forward that hasn't broken out or that is struggling? If TDA had a solid contract he would have fetched someone like Keller surely. Instead we are maybe looking at a Alex Nylander type...

The reason he was sitting wasn't because of a log jam, it was because he wasnt doing what the coaching staff asked of him, Quinn publicly stated as much.

 

[apoptygma]

Maybe I'm wrong but I feel DeAngelo will wanna get paid this time, a long term deal because of how uncertain the start to his career was.

That I think, would be great for the Rangers. He's not so established that the contract would be very expensive, and he can't get any trade protection before he enters his UFA years. 6 years x 5,75 million aav would just solidify his value if it comes for the Rangers to trade him in 2 years time when Fox ELC is over. If we compare him to Skjei, a player that most is less impressed of now then when he signed his deal, Skjei is still a valuable asset. For me it looks like going long contract after the ELC/short bridge is the best value for the team. A slightly overpaid 26 year old is much easier to move then a slightly overpaid 33 year old.

 

[wafflepadsave]

I have never seen a 7 X $7MM contract in the cards for Kreider. He’s two years older than Evander Kane and the Rangers don’t have anywhere near the level of desperation that the Islanders had with Anders Lee.

Cook in the tightening cap and the way so many teams have run up against the cap I don’t see that money being out there. Take Boston for instance. If they were going to take a run at him they would have to probably walk away from Krug and Debrusk next year. I also don’t see Kreider chasing to the corners of the earth for a contract.

I’ve always looked at Pacioretty (4 X $7.5MM) and JVR (5 X $7MM) as better comparables. If Kreider takes that kind of term and perhaps a little less $ there could be a deal to be made. I know many of you think I am way off on the contract but I thought the item in Friedman’s column, obviously planted there, leads me to believe I may not be.

Agreed but still trade him and see if he comes back to the Rangers with his tail between his legs.