Speculation: Roster Building Thread 2019-20: Part XXIX

[mas0764]

28 players scored 80 points or more last season. That's less than one per team. Last years Stanley Cup winner didn't have one. There's want and then there's reality.

Yeah, but there's literally nothing unrealistic about the Rangers putting together a package, given the assets they have, to secure another player in this coming draft who ends up being a 70-80 point player. Just their own evaluation and if they want to pay the prices to move up.

You're just being a debbie downer.

 

[kovazub94]

I think Fox & ADA are better at different aspects of defense, Fox is very calm and poised and just makes the right decisions. ADA is more physical, has better gap control, and his great skating allows him to routinely get back and close off guys when he started out way behind them. I think they're very different players, Lundkvist and Fox are the most similar imo.

DeAngelo - Trouba
Miller - Fox
Lindgren - Lundkvist

I think that would be a very nicely balanced D core in the future

Lol, Milller - you moved the goalposts.

 

[17futurecap]

They should buyout Hank, Smith and Staal this summer, the savings for next year of 6.7 million plus not trading Georgiev outweighs the 2021-2022 buyout cost for the 3 of 3,350,000.

Runs away.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Again I’ll say, I would be embarrassed as a fan if they buyout Lundqvist

As a fan of the team, or as a fan of Lundqvist?

Because, let's face reality, this team is in a much better position without Lundqvist's cap hit on the books next year.

 

[mas0764]

They should buyout Hank, Smith and Staal this summer, the savings for next year of 6.7 million plus not trading Georgiev outweighs the 2021-2022 buyout cost for the 3 of 3,350,000.

Runs away.

Isn't there a cap at 3 buyouts under this CBA, or am I misremembering that?

 

[NYSPORTS]

Again I’ll say, I would be embarrassed as a fan if they buyout Lundqvist

why?

 

[EdJovanovski]

Lol, Milller - you moved the goalposts.

Huh? Are you drunk or something my man
None of your posts make any sense lmao

 

[kovazub94]

The only current situation where I have absolutely no idea how it will turn out is with goaltending (obviously excluding Shesterkin).

 

[17futurecap]

Isn't there a cap at 3 buyouts under this CBA, or am I misremembering that?

Thought it was you can only retain on 3 salaries in trades. We technically have 4 buyouts on the ledger right now with Girardi, Spooner, Shattenkirk and Richards (0 cap hit), but CapFriendly still lists him.

 

[Ghost of jas]

28 players scored 80 points or more last season. That's less than one per team. Last years Stanley Cup winner didn't have one. There's want and then there's reality.

And in Panarin and Zibanejad, you have two players the have over a PPG average. Now add a defense that is among the highest scoring groups in the league. The skill level of this team isn't the issue.

 

[JimmyG89]

Do we know if Smith has Ottawa on his no trade list? He's a prime candidate for them to trade for his cap hit. 4.35 cap hit and after 7/1, only 2.35 in salary. His 1M bonus is paid on 7/1.

If he does not, Ottawa has near 40 million in cap space next season. They're rebuilding. They need to hit the cap floor. There is a chance they have two top 5 picks on their team, and if they end up with a #1 pick or even a #2 pick, one of those guys could be in the NHL next season. LaFreniere is pretty much penciled in for the NHL next season. Byfield is a maybe, but there is a good chance he could make the NHL vs going back to juniors.

Their rookie bonuses aren't on the cap, just money they would have to pay. It would be an easy way to shed a cap hit we no longer need.

I'm guessing he does have Ottawa on his list, but they don't really want to pay anyone. Hossa probably ends up there cause the Coyotes are up against the cap already for next season and if they have plans to sign Hall, they need to move that deal off their books.

 

[East Coast Bias]

They should buyout Hank, Smith and Staal this summer, the savings for next year of 6.7 million plus not trading Georgiev outweighs the 2021-2022 buyout cost for the 3 of 3,350,000.

Runs away.

with what we already have on the books, that would be 17m next season in buyouts. and 6 million in 21/22.

 

[Fitzy]

They should buyout Hank, Smith and Staal this summer, the savings for next year of 6.7 million plus not trading Georgiev outweighs the 2021-2022 buyout cost for the 3 of 3,350,000.

Runs away.

You're robbing 2022 to pay 2021.

Bad plan if we plan on a progressing rebuild.

 

[17futurecap]

with what we already have on the books, that would be 17m next season in buyouts. and 6 million in 21/22.

Rather the buyouts be at 17, then paying and playing Smith, Staal and Hank next year at a combined 18.55 million dollars. My focus would be on using the savings to roll with Igor/Georgiev and use the savings to keep TDA. The cap is going up in 21 with Seattle and the new tv deal.

Also fine retaining 50% on any of the 3 in a trade for literally anything, but not sure there will be any takers for Smith and Staal at 50% or if Hank would waive his NTC.

 

[kovazub94]

Huh? Are you drunk or something my man
None of your posts make any sense lmao

1. In your first post you noted ADA’s defensive play - I acknowledged but added that Fox still had a better defensive game.
2. You said ADA is more talented than Fox - I disagreed especially re. 2-way play. You also mentioned moving ADA to LD - I agreed but specified ADA-Trouba and Lindgren-Fox pairings.
3. You replied with a defensive pairings that had MILLER and Lundkvist - I lol’ed because these prospects are at least two years away and have close to nothing to do with trying to see if ADA could play LD.

Who’s drunk?

 

[Trxjw]

I think we'll get a pretty clear picture of things in 10 days. If Kreider isn't wearing another jersey on Feb 25th, big changes are coming. Obviously not exactly a scoop but keeping Kreider beyond the deadline, even without a contract in place, ensures that the Rangers are either moving on from Lundqvist or intend to move some other expensive bodies.

Hank could of course waive and move before the deadline, but I think the team and the player would want some sort of send-off. At least with Bourque, as far as I remember, most Bruins fans knew it was coming.

 

[Drew4u]

I can't see hank being bought out. If the team actually had intentions of buying him out they would tell him before the trade deadline and he would waive. If he doesn't get traded he's staying. Simple as that.

 

[Lone Ranger]

It's interesting, as we debate best practices for the Rangers and transition from the rebuild to contention, that in a league trending younger, almost all of the best players, (excepting Pastrnak) on the three teams seen by most as this year's Cup favorites ( St. Louis, Boston, Washington) are approaching, or are well north of, thirty. Makes an interesting case for hanging on to, signing, or trading for, veteran elite players.

 

[NYSPORTS]

You're robbing 2022 to pay 2021.

Bad plan if we plan on a progressing rebuild.

why stop at 6 credit cards when you can own 7?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

@Edge so would you say that if Gorton caves and signed Kreider to his 7x7 deal, the team would be looking at that point to buy Lundqvist out?

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Yeah, but there's literally nothing unrealistic about the Rangers putting together a package, given the assets they have, to secure another player in this coming draft who ends up being a 70-80 point player. Just their own evaluation and if they want to pay the prices to move up.

You're just being a debbie downer.

How many kids in this draft project to be 70-80 point players? Especially the ones taken at 9, 10 or 11? There's no way they're trading into the top 5.

And in Panarin and Zibanejad, you have two players the have over a PPG average. Now add a defense that is among the highest scoring groups in the league. The skill level of this team isn't the issue.

This is what I was getting at.

 

[Edge]

@Edge so would you say that if Gorton caves and signed Kreider to his 7x7 deal, the team would be looking at that point to buy Lundqvist out?

I would say that if Kreider is signed to a 7x7 deal, the odds of Lundqvist being part of a buyout plan are incredibly high.

I would also say that the buyout option for Lundqvist is not the top choice for the Rangers, but it is the only one they have complete control over.

 

[Procrastinator]

That looks good to me.

Maybe Robertson replaces Lindgren at some point.

why replace Lindgren? Besides fox he's been the biggest pleasant surprise for me this year. To me hes a keeper.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I would say that if Kreider is signed to a 7x7 deal, the odds of Lundqvist being part of a buyout plan are incredibly high.

I would also say that the buyout option for Lundqvist is not the top choice for the Rangers, but it is the only one they have complete control over.

Would you say that Kreider being signed is more likely today than it was a couple days ago?

 

[RGY]

why replace Lindgren? Besides fox he's been the biggest pleasant surprise for me this year. To me hes a keeper.

I think this staff loves Lindgren. He does everything they ask. Adds an edge to the backend that you need to have throughout your D pairs. Trouba-ADA-Lindgren. This way there are no softies on the ice at any time when dealing with opposing players in front of the net. Kid takes some tough shots and keeps getting back up. Plays a pretty sound game. Seems to be improving and thus the staff is trusting him more and more with minutes and situations.

Lindgren could also be a Kevin Klein esque player that comes in cheaper on the 3rd pair than a replacement player. They can than package some of the other D to fill a hole. They just need sound defense from Lindgren. They dont need a whole lot from him. They dont need him to play above his abilities. Miller, Jones, Robertson, Rykov, Reunanen would then fight it out for the remaining LD spots in the coming years. And thats IF they move Skjei and/or dont add another established LD such as Brodin for example. So thats a lot of prospects on just the left side alone.