Speculation: Roster Building Thread 2019-20: Part XXIX

[mas0764]

As we’ve seen, the players that people on this board like, aren’t necessarily who the Rangers like. And, if the Rangers are sitting at 9, knowing they’ll get a player they like, aren’t likely to move up to get a player people on this board likes.

For example, the Rangers didn’t move up just because Zadina dropped to 6th. They knew a player they liked was going to be there at 9. That’s exactly what could happen this draft.

I'd love to be wrong. Just saying, they really need to be right and get one more top guy. We didn't know Kravtsov was that level... hope they can hit another one out of the park. But its easier at the top of the draft.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Tampa won't get the one player from us that they actually need.

They're so much better than we are, but I think that we would push them in a playoff series and take enough out of them where they'd be easy pickings for who ever gets them next.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Something worthy of note, in DeAngelo’s strong defensive performance last night where he closed the gap on players several times with hits; a lot of those were on the left side.

 

[ZiGOODejad]

I really want nothing to do with Kreider going to Tampa.... f*** Tampa

 

[Ghost of jas]

If the Rangers end up not moving Kreider at the deadline, the craziness of the upcoming months will go into hyperdrive...because the ramifications are much deeper than a lot of people here are anticipating.

 

[broadwayblue]

Can u let me dream? Btw whats the time line for quinn? I think he stays til at least next season

Quinn is not even close to being on the hot seat.

 

[Fitzy]

If the Rangers end up not moving Kreider at the deadline, the craziness of the upcoming months will go into hyperdrive...because the ramifications are much deeper than a lot of people here are anticipating.

This is cryptic.

 

[RGY]

how do we know this draft is sooo deep? Not picking on you while your post heightened my curiosity. I’ve read it elsewhere too, not just here.

Based on tankathon, which isn’t the Holy Grail, I would think more players would be in Tier 2 while the Tiers quickly default to “the rest” pretty quickly. With the kids being so young, how do they know this year is so much better than other years?

2020 NHL Draft Big Board | Tankathon

I hear ya...Just everything I have read and heard has been saying this could/should be one of the deepest drafts in recent years. Of course it could be a crapshoot. We certainly need forward depth and this draft seems to be forward heavy in the 1st round.

 

[Inferno]

If the Rangers end up not moving Kreider at the deadline, the craziness of the upcoming months will go into hyperdrive...because the ramifications are much deeper than a lot of people here are anticipating.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

This is cryptic.

eh not really, there are a ton of moving parts that will have to be set in motion.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

If by some slim chance they sign Kreider before next Monday, that would signal to me the team is going to be clearing a bunch of cap over the summer

 

[Ola]

I really want nothing to do with Kreider going to Tampa.... **** Tampa

As long as Gorton don't try to deal with Yzerman I am fine with it.

 

[Edge]

Another factor is that people are putting too much emphasis on the draft, when the reality is that the Rangers are transitioning to a point where it’s more important to add NHL-ready talent to the current team as it starts to contend. Why use an asset to move up from 9/10 to 5/6, when that asset could be used to add the right young player the augments the current team with greater impact? The draft is still important, but Fox is going to end up costing the Rangers two 2nds. Anybody still hesitant to make that trade?

I really think this has to be underscored and focused on as we approach the draft.

At this point, the Rangers focus is going to be on roster players/NHL-ready players whenever possible. Now in some cases, say like a potential Kreider or Fast trades, that's not likely to be the currency. But in most other cases, whether it's Strome, Georgiev, Buch, whoever, the push is really going to be for talent.

It's also important to remember, as everyone falls in loves with the Lundkvists, the Hajeks, etc., that there are very high probabilities that some of these names will be moved sooner rather than later. On some level everyone gets that, but they really need to understand that it's coming. Maybe not next week. Maybe not this summer, but over the next 18 months, there is going to be quite a bit of movement.

 

[LORDE]

I really think this has to be underscored and focused on as we approach the draft.

At this point, the Rangers focus is going to be on roster players/NHL-ready players whenever possible. Now in some cases, say like a potential Kreider or Fast trades, that's not likely to be the currency. But in most other cases, whether it's Strome, Georgiev, Buch, whoever, the push is really going to be for talent.

It's also important to remember, as everyone falls in loves with the Lundkvists, the Hajeks, etc., that there are very high probabilities that some of these names will be moved sooner rather than later. On some level everyone gets that, but they really need to understand that it's coming. Maybe not next week. Maybe not this summer, but over the next 18 months, there is going to be quite a bit of movement.

See and I have ZERO issue with this... But we must be getting quality.

I know folks wanna build depth but that really won’t help unless we get another legit threat up front. Kravtsov may never be that as much as we would love it.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I really think this has to be underscored and focused on as we approach the draft.

At this point, the Rangers focus is going to be on roster players/NHL-ready players whenever possible. Now in some cases, say like a potential Kreider or Fast trades, that's not likely to be the currency. But in most other cases, whether it's Strome, Georgiev, Buch, whoever, the push is really going to be for talent.

It's also important to remember, as everyone falls in loves with the Lundkvists, the Hajeks, etc., that there are very high probabilities that some of these names will be moved sooner rather than later. On some level everyone gets that, but they really need to understand that it's coming. Maybe not next week. Maybe not this summer, but over the next 18 months, there is going to be quite a bit of movement.

 

[LORDE]

dbl post

 

[Ghost of jas]

If by some slim chance they sign Kreider before next Monday, that would signal to me the team is going to be clearing a bunch of cap over the summer

Some of them are somewhat controversial, and maybe even a little painful. For example, making it known to Lundqvist that he is not going to be a our top goalie, or even our backup, can be a really hard thing to do --- especially because he can still play in the NHL. But from a pure business standpoint, if the Rangers were able to free up the entire $8.5 million owed to Lundqvist, that's a game-changer. Now you can theoretically give Kreider market value and not hamstring yourself next season. Lundqvist essentially pays for Kreider and ADA's raises, and quite possibly gives you extra room for a TDL move next spring.

Then you follow that up with even more money coming off the books next summer, and you have a dangerous combination of young talent, assets, and cap room. But, it potentially comes at the cost of a bitter breakup with a guy who is arguably one of the greatest Rangers of all time.

Now what happens if you grab Lundell 9th or 10th overall? Do you have a kid who potentially slides into a bottom 6 role next season? Lundqvist becomes a heartbreaking casualty of war, but what if the lasting impact of this season is keeping Kreider, ADA and adding Lundell? Would the ending for Lundqvist, though painful, really be something that overrides the joy of what we might have in 2 or 3 years?

Just some food for thought.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Even if they were able to clear some space I don’t agree with signing Kreider at his price

Just some food for thought.

So what you’re saying is Lundqvist is retiring, confirmed

 

[kovazub94]

Carp - the insider

 

[kovazub94]

Something worthy of note, in DeAngelo’s strong defensive performance last night where he closed the gap on players several times with hits; a lot of those were on the left side.

Yup and still Fox was betters. Not trying to make any implications just an observation.

 

[Trxjw]

Some interesting discussion about the Rangers goaltending situation on the 31 Thoughts podcast. Not sure if that came up here yet. Friedman talking about navigating the situation with Hank if the Rangers want to keep both kids in net.

 

[mas0764]

See and I have ZERO issue with this... But we must be getting quality.

I know folks wanna build depth but that really won’t help unless we get another legit threat up front. Kravtsov may never be that as much as we would love it.

I agree... I'm on here every day talking about Holtz, Raymond, Stutzle, etc.

I'm ok if it's Clayton Keller instead.

But get someone like one of those four names, please. Go get a young 21 year old in the NHL in Keller.... or add to a trade to go get a 19 year old who will SOON be ready for the NHL in Newhook... etc.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Some interesting discussion about the Rangers goaltending situation on the 31 Thoughts podcast. Not sure if that came up here yet. Friedman talking about navigating the situation with Hank if the Rangers want to keep both kids in net.

Was the term "buyout" mentioned in the conversation?

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

If the Rangers end up not moving Kreider at the deadline, the craziness of the upcoming months will go into hyperdrive...because the ramifications are much deeper than a lot of people here are anticipating.

The sun will come up the next day, I assure you.

The legend of Chris Kreider continues. Personally, I've seen enough of him over the last 8 year to determine what you see is what you get. I recognize the value he adds to the team - I'll even be a little sad when he goes, but the value proposition is going to be way out of whack. Trade him, get what you can for him, clear some much needed cap space, and tell him we'd love to have him back July 1st on reasonable terms (which will be tough to come by considering some team will give him 7 years/$50M or so.)

But I certainly don't buy the notion that he's some indispensable piece that the team needs to massively overpay for the pleasure of the downside of his career.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Even if they were able to clear some space I don’t agree with signing Kreider at his price


So what you’re saying is Lundqvist is retiring, confirmed

Lundqvist IS essentially the 800-lb gorilla in the room. It's becoming more and more clear that how the Rangers handle him is going to impact how this team goes forward.