Speculation: Roster Building Thread 2019-20: Part XXIX

[rangers1314]

Brady Skjei for Jonathan Drouin.

MTL only has 4 defenders under contract next year, including Weber. They have Poehling, Kotkaniemi, Caufield coming up.

Rangers (if they lose kreider and any of Fast/Buch/Strome) will need some production up front. Drouin has 1 less year under contract than Brady but their cap hits are similar.

Thoughts?

Honestly....maybe? I wouldn't hate it.

 

[RGY]

Kaako is right now arguably the worst player in the NHL . He’s only 19 and still developing but once again look At Zib he didn’t become an impact player until what 24-25 . Kaako doesn’t skate well , doesn’t hit , doesn’t defend , and has a shot like a muffin . How is he overtaking Kreider . He may very well become a great player but right now he has a whole lot of holes in his game at the NHL level . By 22 -23 I hope he’s a diff player but he doesn’t have any explosiveness to his skating and besides being decent on the pp half wall in kit seeing an elite player in the least . He does not do anything at an elite level . Ck has elite skating speed , can hit , defend , and is the best at tipping pucks in the league. He sets the bar on this team .KK AND KRAVSTOV are not the players to make this team reach the next level . I don’t see a whole lot in Kravstov Game scoring at a .25 pts a game pace in the AHL .

My lord this is a brutal, brutal post.

Love it. 19-20 year olds Kakko and Kravtsov are busts. Just shut the team down. Rebuild over. Their career paths have been determined and the Rangers rebuild is a failure.

That post can be bookmarked and then thrown in the trash can once Kakko and/or Kravtsov hit their strides in the development process.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

You don’t add the numbers together

“you’re looking at approx $5.655 each of the next two years (Staal’s number spread for 2 years and 2/3rd of Hanks based on his age)

yet the Rangers dead money for a big Shattenkirk hit is over $7 million. So that’s at least $12.655 for next season”

If they were to buyout Staal and Hank it would be a little over 16.5 million in dead cap next year with all the other buyouts. Which includes Shattenkirk, Girardi and Spooner

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Hanks either retiring this summer or he gets traded in the next 10 days. Don’t expect a buyout imo.

This is crazy. I always figured he'd finish out his contract here, don't see that happening now.

 

[NYSPORTS]

If they were to buyout Staal and Hank it would be a little over 16.5 million in dead cap next year with all the other buyouts. Which includes Shattenkirk, Girardi and Spooner

it’s $7,411 for Shatty, Giardi and Spoonsr and $5.655 for Hank and Staal over 2 years

 

[mas0764]

KK AND KRAVSTOV are not the players to make this team reach the next level . I don’t see a whole lot in Kravstov Game scoring at a .25 pts a game pace in the AHL .

Well, we just disagree on our prospects then.

 

[mas0764]

My lord this is a brutal, brutal post.

Love it. 19-20 year olds Kakko and Kravtsov are busts. Just shut the team down. Rebuild over. Their career paths have been determined and the Rangers rebuild is a failure.

That post can be bookmarked and then thrown in the trash can once Kakko and/or Kravtsov hit their strides in the development process.

All that to justify re-signing Kreider.

I can't help but feel that it's deliberately putting down KK and Kravtsov because you are so emotionally addicted to Kreider that you can't let go. I mean, how else to explain that take?

Kakko and Kravtsov aren't our future! That's why we need to keep Kreider!

Well, considering that would be the only justification, I guess I can see why he connected those dots, but..... yikes, no way. Kreider as our cornerstone has already been given a half decade chance. It's over. He either takes a back seat here as a supplemental player (with a salary to match) to our new stars, or he should be traded for max return right now.

Or maybe in an ideal world he's traded now and then also returns over the summer for a supplemental role.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

it’s $7,411 for Shatty, Giardi and Spoonsr and $5.655 for Hank and Staal over 2 years

I truly don't want to get into this but this is directly from capfriendly

 

[NYSPORTS]

Buying out Henrik Lundqvist just sounds so icky. I get that it's a business, but if I saw another franchise do that with one of their all-time players, I would definitely make fun of them.

not sure I can find a business case study which makes decisions based on “icky”

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Buying out Henrik Lundqvist just sounds so icky. I get that it's a business, but if I saw another franchise do that with one of their all-time players, I would definitely make fun of them.

Agreed.

And IMO wanting to keep Georgiev isn't a good enough reason to buy him out. I know it's a business blah blah blah, but it's a sliding scale IMO. Buying out a franchise icon who only has one year left to keep a goalie who at best is your backup going forward (with Igor clearly superior)? That's not a good enough reason for me, sorry.

I trade Georgiev who at best tops out as a 1B maybe in the long run most likely a good backup, run forward with Igor who is basically star caliber immediately and let Hank back up next season.

I said this before, the only reason Hank shouldn't be on the team next year is if it's by his request. Buying him out or forcing him to waive his NMC or whatever is just not right. Certain players deserve better treatment. It's like the top .0000001% of players but Hank falls in that tiny group.

Do they really think Georgiev is as good as Igor? Do they really not want to run forward with Igor as the starter? Am I missing something? It's so simple and honestly Georgiev has been extremely underwhelming for most of the season in my opinion. He's been worse than Hank overall but he gets some sort of boost to his perception just because he's young. To me he's proven himself to be a guy you shouldn't lose any sleep over sacrificing - he hasn't made himself indispensable like it seems the Rangers brass feels about him. He's not worth dicking over Lundqvist in my opinion. Idk, I'm just not on the same page with them there.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

KK AND KRAVSTOV are not the players to make this team reach the next level

 

[NYSPORTS]

I truly don't want to get into this but this is directly from cap friendly

that’s wrong. A buyout is spread out double the length of the remaining contract. If there is one year left it’s spread over 2 years while Hank’s is 2/3rd over 2 years.

that’s why Shatty’s buyout is over 4 years. He had 2 years remaining with the Rangers when he was bought out

 

[RGY]

All that to justify re-signing Kreider.

I can't help but feel that it's deliberately putting down KK and Kravtsov because you are so emotionally addicted to Kreider that you can't let go. I mean, how else to explain that take?

Kakko and Kravtsov aren't our future! That's why we need to keep Kreider!

Well, considering that would be the only justification, I guess I can see why he connected those dots, but..... yikes, no way. Kreider as our cornerstone has already been given a half decade chance. It's over. He either takes a back seat here as a supplemental player (with a salary to match) to our new stars, or he should be traded for max return right now.

Or maybe in an ideal world he's traded now and then also returns over the summer for a supplemental role.

I want Kreider extended. But I certainly am not going to make up some mythical story about Kakko and Kravtsov being busts as part of my reasoning for re-signing Kreider. They have nothing to do with him.

Just a bizarre post.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

that’s wrong. A buyout is spread out double the length of the remaining contract. If there is one year left it’s spread over 2 years while Hank’s is 2/3rd over 2 years.

that’s why Shatty’s buyout is over 4 years. He had 2 years remaining with the Rangers when he was bought out

Yeah, Henrik and Staal's buyouts are spread over two years, I just didn't include the second year

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

rip

 

[RGY]

It would be something if we could leave Minnesota with Greenway tonight.

 

[NYR Viper]

It would be something if we could leave Minnesota with Greenway tonight.

I would be totally fine with a Georgiev for Greenway deal

 

[gravey9]

Agree with what you are saying, But remember. That first round pick can be used to trade for another player. Some posters have already talked about that Rangers may want to upgrade on several positions. Then a first round pick could be very handy.

Speaking of which... I'm not sure why his name has come up, but Kyle Connor has come up in the rumor mill. If, and that's a big IF, he's truly available this is the kind of guy the Rangers should look to bring in as a top 6 piece. He fits the timeline perfectly.

 

[JimmyG89]

Would absolutely love to have Connor on this team. I'm not sure what we'd have to offer to Winnipeg for this to happen, because Skjei is not enough, I'm not sure DeAngelo fits what they want to do, and we'd have to give up top prospects that would be very useful on an ELC.

I do not think Buchnevich is a player of interest for them. Not to say he wouldn't want to play there, but I'm not sure that's someone they want to look at.

If they are interested in DeAngelo, this is the kind of player that fits my bill for moving him. A 30 goal/60 point player.

 

[cheech70]

Speaking of which... I'm not sure why his name has come up, but Kyle Connor has come up in the rumor mill. If, and that's a big IF, he's truly available this is the kind of guy the Rangers should look to bring in as a top 6 piece. He fits the timeline perfectly.

I concur...But for Whom?

 

[Tossed Medal]

My lord this is a brutal, brutal post.

Love it. 19-20 year olds Kakko and Kravtsov are busts. Just shut the team down. Rebuild over. Their career paths have been determined and the Rangers rebuild is a failure.

That post can be bookmarked and then thrown in the trash can once Kakko and/or Kravtsov hit their strides in the development process.

My point is what both those players bring at the NHL level is still many years away from impactful . KK Is only on the league because of draft position and VK is at minimum 2-3 years away from any impact . I guess you want the rangers to be a team built on 5’10 RHS d men and perimeter forwards . Look at what wins the cup . North south in the blue paint forwards . KK AND VK at this juncture are neither . We have an east west wizard in Panarin what we need is more players like CK not less . What have you seen from KK At minus 20 or whatever he is , gassed after every shift and sulking and head shaking that he can replace Chris Kreider next year . I’m not saying he’s a bust I’m saying he has 3-4 years plus before he’s an impact player because his skating leaves a lot to desire and he doesn’t have a real hard shot nor shown the ability to get it off .

 

[Richard Banger]

I concur...But for Whom?

Connor is going to cost ADA.

 

[cheech70]

Connor is going to cost ADA.

Too my eyes ADA is more of a playmaker ...Jets have to add

 

[Avery16]

It was assumed that general manager Jeff Gorton was shopping Georgiev, a 24-year-old Bulgarian who hasn’t proven to be a clear-cut No. 1 goalie in his first 68 games in the NHL, but has certainly proven that he belongs and could very well one day hold that mantle. But with Lundqvist having one more year left on his contract, carrying an $8.5 million salary-cap hit, and with the clout he holds in the locker room — not to mention the fact that he is still playing at a very high level — it seemed like Georgiev was the expendable one.

https://nypost.com/2020/02/13/igor-shesterkin-officially-declared-rangers-no-1-goaltender/

 

[Tob]

Picked the wrong day to take a peak at the roster building thread.