Speculation: Roster Building Thread 2019-20: Part XXIX

[gravey9]

Sadly, it will come to that. We can’t afford to give ADA + CK the contracts they’re worth this summer unless Gorton does some major shuffling. But the difference is, we’ll be paying ADA during his prime versus paying Kreider a similar amount during the latter stage of his career.

The fact that ADA, as a 24 year old dmen is going to surpass CK’s career highs makes this an incredibly easy decision for us if we had to choose.

This makes me think that JG and JD need to make their big move before the deadline. If they resign Kreider and don't trade Buch, Strome or DeAngelo they're likely going to have to sell one or more of these assets for less than they're worth during the summer because teams will know the Rangers are likely facing a cap crunch again. Or they'll need to go the buyout route again with Staal and/or Smith. The only other option is something happening with Hank.

If they're seriously considering resigning Kreider, then they need to really explore moving DeAngelo and/or Strome at the deadline.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I like Kreider but I feel he is overrated by our fanbase due to him being our homegrown 1st rounder in a time where we basically traded every pick we had

He’s an all American badass that’s built like a truck. He’s a leader and a great teammate. I completely understand why our fanbase doesn’t want to move him. If there was no cap, or even a soft cap, I’d want him back too.

But there is a cap. And despite his conditioning, he won’t be immune to the impact Father Time will have in him.

5 year deal? Without losing our key players/prospects? Sign me up. 7 year deal + NMC + losing a key guy like ADA?

Hell To The No.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

This makes me think that JG and JD need to make their big move before the deadline. If they resign Kreider and don't trade Buch, Strome or DeAngelo they're likely going to have to sell one or more of these assets for less than they're worth during the summer because teams will know the Rangers are likely facing a cap crunch again. Or they'll need to go the buyout route again with Staal and/or Smith. The only other option is something happening with Hank.

If they're seriously considering resigning Kreider, then they need to really explore moving DeAngelo and/or Strome at the deadline.

Fortunately, Gorton has shown he has ice water flowing through his veins and doesn’t give a **** about moving a fan favorite for the long term sake of the team.

It hurts to see good Rangers moved, but at the end of the day I appreciate having that kind of GM who isn’t soft and emotionally attached.

 

[Ola]

I like Kreider but I feel he is overrated by our fanbase due to him being our homegrown 1st rounder in a time where we basically traded every pick we had

Perfect storm. Career high is 53 pts and 6 pts in his last 20 PO games. He often disappears when we need him the most.

At least I think that he easily could have his best 5-6 years ahead of him. Think its far from a given that he will tackle off the much physically. Someone like Blake Wheeler only seem to be getting better every year.

Thing is, I don't think we have the cap space to keep him.

 

[Dijock94]

I have a thought:

Why don’t we tie Smith to Georgiev for the purpose of creating cap space.

Detroit : bag of pucks

NYR : Smith + Georgiev

Then we will have the cap space to retain Kreider along with our RFAs.

Thoughts?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I have a thought:

Why don’t we tie Smith to Georgiev for the purpose of creating cap space.

Detroit : bag of pucks

NYR : Smith + Georgiev

Then we will have the cap space to retain Kreider along with our RFAs.

Thoughts?

Ummmmmm no lol.

 

[haohmaru]

Lots of keep Kreider lobbying from the beat writers - including possibly trading ADA.

Stay the course, JG, stay the course.

 

[Vitto79]

I have a thought:

Why don’t we tie Smith to Georgiev for the purpose of creating cap space.

Detroit : bag of pucks

NYR : Smith + Georgiev

Then we will have the cap space to retain Kreider along with our RFAs.

Thoughts?

I think we have to realize next year is another one where they miss

1 yr and high contracts gone

Rather take a young cheap F for Georgiev or maybe Hank really does go

Is khl an option for 1 yr too?

 

[egelband]

4m cap penalty for 6 years if he would retire this summer. Ai

Wow. That’s awful. I’m not cool with that. What the heck sis Nashville do that was so bad that they need to get smacked like that. So weird.

 

[Dijock94]

I think we have to realize next year is another one where they miss

1 yr and high contracts gone

Rather take a young cheap F for Georgiev or maybe Hank really does go

Is khl an option for 1 yr too?

I mean how good of a pick or player are we going to get for Georgiev is my thing. Are we going to get a solid young forward or is it going to be a return like Talbot got us. If the return is unspectacular id rather use his trade value to get us the cap space we need to keep kreider and our RFAs.

 

[wafflepadsave]

The results at 7x7 are more decisive than I would’ve guessed (at least so far).

The geek in me is curious how that changes at 7x6.5, 7x6, 6x7, so and so forth. And no I am necessarily suggesting everyone be subjected to that ringer. Although, if there is a willingness...

I still trade him no matter what. Just need the assets too much. If he bleeds Rangers blue enough to swing back this summer, have to try and make it work.

 

[GAGLine]

Wow. That’s awful. I’m not cool with that. What the heck sis Nashville do that was so bad that they need to get smacked like that. So weird.

The Flyers gave Weber that contract in an offer sheet and Nashville matched it. It was heavily front loaded and it falls under the rule they created after the Kovy contract to keep teams from tacking on extra cheap years that the player never intends to play.

In the years that Weber played under that contract for Nashville, his salary was significantly higher than his cap hit. If he were to retire early, Nashville would get penalized based on the cap savings they received.

 

[Tawnos]

The Flyers gave Weber that contract in an offer sheet and Nashville matched it. It was heavily front loaded and it falls under the rule they created after the Kovy contract to keep teams from tacking on extra cheap years that the player never intends to play.

In the years that Weber played under that contract for Nashville, his salary was significantly higher than his cap hit. If he were to retire early, Nashville would get penalized based on the cap savings they received.

Yeah, I already think it’s completely ridiculous to punish teams for contracts that were legal at the time and even approved by the league office (unlike the first Kovalchuk contract). The Weber situation is even more ridiculous, since they weren’t the ones to give him that deal in the first place.

 

[Cag29]

Wonder what JG and JD have pencilled in for 2 years from now. That’s the best way to look at this after all the dead cap and dead-weight vets are shed.

X- zibanejad - Kakko
Panarin Chytil X
Lemeiux X Kravstov
X Howden X

X Trouba
Lindgren Fox
Miller X

Shesterkyn
X

Nils Lundkvist will be one of those x’s

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Let's see that Kreider return!

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Signed Georgiev + Staal to someone who needs a goalie. Maybe detroit?

 

[Vitto79]

I mean how good of a pick or player are we going to get for Georgiev is my thing. Are we going to get a solid young forward or is it going to be a return like Talbot got us. If the return is unspectacular id rather use his trade value to get us the cap space we need to keep kreider and our RFAs.

It’s not a crazy idea I Just think they bite the bullet and also bridge DeAngelo . Strome

Maybe even trade Skjei for cap space

Will be interesting

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Kreider is past our age group for a 7 year deal, if he was 26 maybe, but I'd probably still want a 6 yrs or less deal. I mean hes a 50 point player, what is he when he slows down? 40, 30, 20? For 7 mill I'm out

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Wow. That’s awful. I’m not cool with that. What the heck sis Nashville do that was so bad that they need to get smacked like that. So weird.

It's a cap recapture penalty. By front loading the contract, they took advantage of a lower cap hit than what they paid the player. In itself that's fine, as long as the player plays out his contract. If he retires before that (see Kovalcuk), the CBA states there will be a cap recapture penalty to offset the benefit of that. To battle cap circumvention.

This only applies to contracts of 8+ years (under the old CBA, the limit was higher than 8 years)

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

With Vancouver’s injury issues and Benning knowing his career depends on them making the playoffs, I wonder if we could pry Virtanen out of Vancouver in a Kreider deal. Pretty much a younger version of Kreider, I think Jake has worse IQ but more grit & a better shot.

I want Hoglander.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Lots of keep Kreider lobbying from the beat writers - including possibly trading ADA.

Stay the course, JG, stay the course.

There was a ton of keep Zucc lobbying last year from the same group.

It didn't happen.

 

[Kovalev27]

This 3 game stretch will be interesting.

When it’s over do we start holding guys out? You’re a week away at that point.

What if we win all 3 games?

Who’s playing goal tonight and who’s playing tomorrow?

We should start to see some movement come Monday or at least some intentions of where the team is headed.

 

[Kovalev27]

There was a ton of keep Zucc lobbying last year from the same group.

It didn't happen.

I wanted Zucc traded 3 years ago. I want Kreider signed so no it’s not the same group. It’s two totally different situations.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

I'm more worried about the years for Kreider.

Its almost always about the years.

If Kreider is overpaid, it will be by ~ 1-1.5M which shouldn't be an issue. If it is, then there are other problems that need to be addressed.

I think we should stay away from 7 years regardless.
6 is kinda scary too, but could be workable with a lower salary.

I would do 5 years x 7M tomorrow.

the final year of that contract, he is 33, turning 34 at the end of the year.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I wanted Zucc traded 3 years ago. I want Kreider signed so no it’s not the same group. It’s two totally different situations.

You aren't a beat writer - The OP was talking about the local writers lobbying for him to stay.

To me, this talk of moving ADA to make room for Kreider is utter lunacy and if the FO does it, they will have lost all faith that I have in them short of bringing back a legitimate young stud forward (no, Kyle Connor does not qualify.)

There are other more expendable bodies to move out (Strome, Skjei) or just axe completely (Smith, Staal.)