Speculation: Roster Building/Rumor Thread XVIII
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Is it wrong to assume Barron will start in the AHL? I just figure they sign guys Wednesday and he’s pushed to the minors
LaffyTaffyNYR
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I think these seem fairly reasonable. Fox should probably get more but he's gonna give the Rangers a "little" (at least) discount.
LaffyTaffyNYR
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might be a better idea than to just throw him on the 4th line with minimal minutes.
Shesterkybomb
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How has he “f***ed up”? Why is he a “low life”?
See, here is where I don’t for a second trust the judgement of the hockey community in Vancouver. A player is tremendously overrated and when the player doesn’t deliver its not because he was overrated, but instead because he has “bad attitude”.
I don’t for a second doubt that Virtanen not has been a stellar pro. But to equate that to being a “low life” is something else. I also think it’s disgusting to judge someone accused of a serious crime differently just because they have character issues for a pro athlete but behaves pretty normally for someone their age. Like what do we in fact know about Jake Virtanen, that he liked to party when he was a teenager and even a few years past that? Does that mean that he is more likely to be a serious criminal? Anyone have any proof of that?
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Canucks' Jake Virtanen denies alleged sexual assault in court documents
Im not sure if you know about this or not.
Yeah, of course, but what implications should that have? He is accused of something, he denies it. As far as we know he could be 100% innocent. Since so long time has past, it’s basically 100% that he will be acquitted, it will be word against word.
Should he be banned from the NHL forever? For a 1 year? For 5 years? A society can’t function like that.
In Vancouver he is seen as the lowest form of scum. Why? It’s not his fault that he was picked 2-3 rounds ahead where he should be picked. He likes to party when he was a teenager and then for a year or two. I’ve never seen anything else reported. Vancouver has kept him around, never disciplined him for any issues whatsoever, resigned him, not bought him out despite him not living up to his contract and so forth.
The right thing to do is without any single doubt to threat someone that has been accused of a crime but not found guilty as innocent. Its part of everyone’s moral contract with society.
Then he could be a bad signing for other reasons, not being a good player, not being a good teammate, if he isn’t devoted enough even after a change of scenery and what nor. But I do think it’s someone we should do our due diligence on.
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LOL I read that as 'I would take a shit and run."
I think it's going to come down to something along the lines of Chytil, Nils, Geo and the 1st if he comes here. No one is going to pay what Buffalo wants, but they won't just give him away.
They get their draft pick, they get their top prospect, they get 2 young roster players, even though one is essentially a goalie throw in so the optics "look" like their needs have been met.
I wouldn't monetize Nils like this, but I have zero problem trading him. He's more valuable than Schneider atm, but in terms of fit the latter slides in much better than Nils does, both in an immediate bottom pair role where he can get some PK time, and then eventually as a Trouba Replacement.
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haohmaru
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"It’s the GMs job to evaluate which players will be good to lock-up long term. Gorton thought 3 guys earned long-term deals, Girardi, Staal and Kreider. If a GM can’t judge if a player is worth investing in after having him in the organization for 2-3 years he should have a job."
Girardi was signed in February of 2014
Staal was signed in January of 2015
Jeff Gorton became the GM of the Rangers July 2015
Don't let the "facts" get in your way, though.
"This isn’t revisionist history, it’s indisputable facts. Something was very flawed with Gorton’s approach, and Drury shouldn’t be blamed for it. Staal, Girardi and Kreider got the long term deals.
If you only sign kids to bridge deals they will always get paid what they are worth and you will never have someone on a good contract."
You're talking about a whole bunch of contracts and I was talking about ONE. Zibanejad's wasn't a bridge deal, it was mutually beneficial to both parties, and Ziba took his game to another level and will get paid for it. There's no crystal ball for that. The Rangers got great value out of that contract for five years and will get market value for the next 6-8 if they sign him. Those are the facts.
"It’s the GMs job to evaluate which players will be good to lock-up long term. Gorton thought 3 guys earned long-term deals, Girardi, Staal and Kreider. If a GM can’t judge if a player is worth investing in after having him in the organization for 2-3 years he should have a job."
Girardi was signed in February of 2014
Staal was signed in January of 2015
Jeff Gorton became the GM of the Rangers July 2015
Don't let the "facts" get in your way, though.
"This isn’t revisionist history, it’s indisputable facts. Something was very flawed with Gorton’s approach, and Drury shouldn’t be blamed for it. Staal, Girardi and Kreider got the long term deals.
If you only sign kids to bridge deals they will always get paid what they are worth and you will never have someone on a good contract."
You're talking about a whole bunch of contracts and I was talking about ONE. Zibanejad's wasn't a bridge deal, it was mutually beneficial to both parties, and Ziba took his game to another level and will get paid for it. There's no crystal ball for that. The Rangers got great value out of that contract for five years and will get market value for the next 6-8 if they sign him. Those are the facts.
Correctamundo.
Has more offense to his game then Danult. Will be a 1/3 cheaper cash wise. I would have rather dealt this years first for him, considering the draft and ARI had no 1st.
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He also looks/sounds like Wil Wheaton hopped up on mass amounts of caffeine, which started freaking me out after a bit.
@haohmaru But we can’t be sure to get market value from Ziba for 6-8 years if we sign him at 28-29. Since it’s Russian Roulette to resign someone at that age you shouldn’t put yourself in that decision. It’s much better to pay a little extra and buy out the last prime years, and then have a decision on the player when it’s clear that he is past past his peak.
I think Barron stays up. We need him to be part of the PK. And even if he’s a 4th line winger/getting 4th minutes, he’s still practicing and playing with the big boys rather then hartford and he’s under Gallants tutelage. He’s one of the guys I think thrive under Gallant because he’s a hard worker, a big body, team player, adds skill/sandpaper combo, and has an underrated shot that he uses whenever he can.
He’s a guy, much like William Carrier, that can up his game with a coach like Gallant. His showing in Hartford was also impressive, though it was limited. I have no clue If the long term plan is for him to be a center though.
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he also spends every waking hour watching prospect VODs so consider him more knowledgeable about prospects than 90% of the HF fan base.
on 31 Thoughts, Eliotte Friedman "The Rangers and Sabres were just not close on the package. The Sabres wanted the likes of a Schneider or Lundkvist and the Rangers didn't want to go there, they (Sabres) wanted some of their top young players that are already on the roster." so sounds like Drury is playing some serious hardball which is good because I hear he won a world series in hardball.
haohmaru
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Who cares? This draft is one of the worst drafts in recent history. Also this draft was the least critical draft the rangers had in a long time.
also this kid is the epitome of HF lol
no question I agree with 95% written above. But Zibby hasn’t been the same player since his upper body injury which we all knew was a concussion. Which is pretty crazy because he played very well after, but he wasn’t the same tenacious player on defense, and you see he goes to lengths to avoid contact when possible more then he used to. I’m worried if we lock him in to that deal, and he gets his bell rung again, what type of player are we going to see for the remainder of the deal?
No question he’s still a 1C and has one of the best sl-appers/one timers in the NHL. But I’m talking about all the other facets of his game. He still pays the price to move the puck when needed, but it’s become less over the last 2 seasons. His defense is also noticeably worse. I’m not slamming him, he’s great for us but these are just a couple observations and worries about 7 years 70 mill- even 6 years 60 mill if he would somehow agree to that, but I find it highly unlikely.
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Yeah well we just got done dumping DeAngelo and FWIW his f***ing up was just about the first really negative thing to have a major impact on our season. Bringing in possibly another disruptive personality into our locker room is not learning a lesson.
smoneil
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"I've watched most of the players in this draft at least one time." Proceeds to never mention anything that was based on these supposed observations.
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shit, I was really hoping to get the approval of **checks notes** Nathan.
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If he gets used on the penalty kill that should get him to respectable minutes.
Its Blais that’s gonna be looking at the Brendan Lemieux 8 a game
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