Speculation: Roster Building/Rumor Thread XVIII

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Rangers can keep Strome and run with the same centers, they can put Nils on the 3rd pair behind Adam Fox and Jacob Trouba, they can play Kravtsov on the 3rd line. They can do all these things.

The problem with this then becomes you're not putting them in their draft value positions, These are all 1st round picks (kravtsov a top 10 pick) and you either need to let them see what they can do with a real chance or you trade them because they are more valuable to your team that way.

This is the same argument I heard years ago about the Yankees who had all kinds of players blocking their better prospects and yes there's a cap in hockey, but the situations are similar.. If you're going to make trades you trade from a strength to fill a weakness (which means if a center is coming in Chytil should be available, a RHD defenseman like Nils or Schneider should be available, Kravtsov techncially should be availabe tho we did trade Buch so he at least has a top 6 opportunity (unless we move Laf to the RW that has been speculated)

Now this doesn't mean you give them up for just anyone, but they ARE available at least they should be if it clearly upgrades the team.

 

[Machinehead]

We have two. Barron and Goodrow.

This guy gets it.

 

[Richard Banger]

For as shitty as the Buchnevich trade is, I'm glad Drury is holding his ground on Buffalo. Granted, I'm of the mind that Eichel shouldn't even be discussed without seeing his medicals, and I think what's going on there is absolute lunacy, but I digress...

It blows my mind because in the NFL the medical reports are one of the first things that gets sent over when discussing a player in a trade.

 

[mac]

It’s certainly possible that this is the case, ie that I am 100% wrong.

But why should he be treated differently than for example Petersson when accused of a horrible crime? I think it should be the complete opposite, everyone should try their hardest to threat him the same way as if a model citizen was accused of the same crime. This is one of the reasons I want the kid to be signed, because it’s so obvious that he hasn’t been in Vancouver. I don’t like that.

Not only has Petersson not been accused of a crime he shows up for work on time.

That is a terrible comparison.

 

[Machinehead]

Rangers can keep Strome and run with the same centers, they can put Nils on the 3rd pair behind Adam Fox and Jacob Trouba, they can play Kravtsov on the 3rd line. They can do all these things.

The problem with this then becomes you're not putting them in their draft value positions, These are all 1st round picks (kravtsov a top 10 pick) and you either need to let them see what they can do with a real chance or you trade them because they are more valuable to your team that way.

I get what you're saying but Kravtsov has barely had a sip of coffee and Nils hasn't played at all. Easing them in for another half-year isn't the end of the world and makes us a deep team.

It's Chytil that either needs to play or need to go. This will be his 5th season.

 

[mac]

It’s certainly possible that this is the case, ie that I am 100% wrong.

But why should he be treated differently than for example Petersson when accused of a horrible crime? I think it should be the complete opposite, everyone should try their hardest to threat him the same way as if a model citizen was accused of the same crime. This is one of the reasons I want the kid to be signed, because it’s so obvious that he hasn’t been in Vancouver. I don’t like that.

He is not a model citizen .
If I had to guess a drunk doing dunk things.

 

[Machinehead]

It blows my mind because in the NFL the medical reports are one of the first things that gets sent over when discussing a player in a trade.

Not only that, they also have no issue telling us exactly what's wrong, even though targeting has been a real thing in the NFL! (hi, New Orleans).

Meanwhile, in the NHL, you could lose both legs in a lab explosion and turn into a supervillain who floats around, and the team would be like " lower body."

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I get what you're saying but Kravtsov has barely had a sip of coffee and Nils hasn't played at all. Easing them in for another half-year isn't the end of the world and makes us a deep team.

It's Chytil that either needs to play or need to go. This will be his 5th season.

and he's not likely to be getting that shot this year either, Yeah it fills a cheap need as 3rd RD but how many minutes is he going to get? Will he get PP time over Fox/Trouba? etc. These are questions the Rangers need to ask themselves, and yes Chytil is another one to make a decision on.

 

[Richard Banger]

Buffalo is handling the Eichel situation correctly. If someone doesn’t overwhelm them with a deal they have no reason to trade him. Is he going to hold out for five years and ruin his career if they refuse to trade him?

Maybe not five years but it’s a possibility it gets real bad. Aaron Rodgers bad.

 

[Crease]

I mean it's what you have to do eventually. You expect that Kakko or Kravtsov should hit even 40 points from 3rd line?

I don’t expect them to score 40 from the third line. My hope is that they score 40 after being promoted to the top six mid-season, after establishing from the third line that they are top six forwards. But I’m against them being handed top six roles based on pedigree alone, if the message from management is that this is supposed to be a playoff team. That’s early rebuild stuff.

 

[Richard Banger]

Not only that, they also have no issue telling us exactly what's wrong, even though targeting has been a real thing in the NFL! (hi, New Orleans).

Meanwhile, in the NHL, you could lose both legs in a lab explosion and turn into a supervillain who floats around, and the team would be like " lower body."

That’s on the commissioner to force them to be up front.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

It’s certainly possible that this is the case, ie that I am 100% wrong.

But why should he be treated differently than for example Petersson when accused of a horrible crime? I think it should be the complete opposite, everyone should try their hardest to threat him the same way as if a model citizen was accused of the same crime. This is one of the reasons I want the kid to be signed, because it’s so obvious that he hasn’t been in Vancouver. I don’t like that.

Am I missing something? I have no awareness of Petersson ever doing anything controversial. I was under the impression he's been a model citizen since coming into the league.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Zibanejad wont get 10M but the Rangers will pay up, because they simply have no other choice.. I'm thinking 9X6 at the end

and I agree Strome wont be traded unless they have someone to take his spot or give it to Chytil, but if they were content doing that, they wouldn't be looking at every option possibly available I dont think

I honestly dont think its a matter of replacing Strome before he's traded, its more about having a Zib replacement incase he doesn't sign, if Zib signs or we replace him they will then be more likely to move Strome. Going into the following season with neither one and none in the pipeline isn't ideal.

 

[Thirty One]

I mean it's what you have to do eventually. You expect that Kakko or Kravtsov should hit even 40 points from 3rd line?

Under Gallant ® anything is possible.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I honestly dont think its a matter of replacing Strome before he's traded, its more about having a Zib replacement incase he doesn't sign, if Zib signs or we replace him they will then be more likely to move Strome. Going into the following season with neither one and none in the pipeline isn't ideal.

I agree, but I ultimately think the Rangers get something done with him this off season, and thats when Strome actually becomes available

 

[Fitzy]

I don’t expect them to score 40 from the third line. My hope is that they score 40 after being promoted to the top six mid-season, after establishing from the third line that they are top six forwards. But I’m against them being handed top six roles based on pedigree alone, if the message from management is that this is supposed to be a playoff team.

Well with Buch gone at least 1 kid is going to start in the top 6, 2 if Kreider stays at left wing.

 

[Ola]

Am I missing something? I have no awareness of Petersson ever doing anything controversial. I was under the impression he's been a model citizen since coming into the league.

Of course not.

But are you saying that a model citizen should be treated differently when accused of a crime than a “screw up”??

 

[Crease]

Well with Buch gone at least 1 kid is going to start in the top 6, 2 if Kreider stays at left wing.

And 3 of 4 if the Strome rumors materialize.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I have a hard time believing Kakko, Lafraniere, Kravtsov AND Chytil are are going to be playing in the Top 6. Yes I understand thats where they should be playing ideally, but this is New York, Rangers want to make the playoffs. I just dont see them handing 4 "kids" (Chytil has the most experience) 4 of the 6 top six spots but I could be wrong too and if its not a "mandate" or goal to make the playoffs then sure try it and see what you got. You can always make changes the following year

 

[mac]

Of course not.

But are you saying that a model citizen should be treated differently when accused of a crime than a “screw up”??

YES

 

[IDvsEGO]

I get what you're saying but Kravtsov has barely had a sip of coffee and Nils hasn't played at all. Easing them in for another half-year isn't the end of the world and makes us a deep team.

It's Chytil that either needs to play or need to go. This will be his 5th season.

This is his fourth season in the nhl.

 

[Ola]

YES

Nooooooooo

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I have a hard time believing Kakko, Lafraniere, Kravtsov AND Chytil are are going to be playing in the Top 6. Yes I understand thats where they should be playing ideally, but this is New York, Rangers want to make the playoffs. I just dont see them handing 4 "kids" (Chytil has the most experience) 4 of the 6 top six spots but I could be wrong too and if its not a "mandate" or goal to make the playoffs then sure try it and see what you got. You can always make changes the following year

Imo everyone but Chytil will be. I think its easier to put Kreider on the 3rd line now that he's signed long term. I believe in my heart we have something special in Kravtsov, its obvious with Laf but Kravtsov i think is the wild card in this whole rebuild. If him and Kakko can handle the top 6 rw we are set. Also, i think Kreider Chytil and Goodrow could do some damage.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Imo everyone but Chytil will be. I think its easier to put Kreider on the 3rd line now that he's signed long term. I believe in my heart we have something special in Kravtsov, its obvious with Laf but Kravtsov i think is the wild card in this whole rebuild. If him and Kakko can handle the top 6 rw we are set. Also, i think Kreider Chytil and Goodrow could do some damage.

I mean do I think Kravtsov can get there? absolutely, I'm just not sure the Rangers are going to put Chytil and/or Kravtson in permanent ink on the top six *yet* I do firmly believe Kakko will be and Lafraniere is an obvious. Training camp and pre season (depending on other moves made) should tell alot about those 2 chances of seeing top 6

Although the "kid line" last year looked absolutely great when they played together so its possible the Rangers noticed that

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Of course not.

But are you saying that a model citizen should be treated differently when accused of a crime than a “screw up”??

When it comes to a private employer, absolutely. The NHL is not a court of law and it is absolutely unnecessary for them to wait for the justice system to determine whether or not Virtanen is guilty of this specific crime. Virtanen has been a constant screw up and by all indications a serious low-life for years now. He has f***ed up enough to not deserve the benefit of the doubt from employers paying him millions of dollars. As I said initially, even without the serious crimes hanging over him, I still wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole.