Speculation: Roster Building/Rumor Thread XVIII

[Machinehead]

And we can't do that. That is my point. We can not sign a 29/30 year old center 6X6.

Strome will be 29 and asking for around 6x6.

 

[DutchShamrock]

I think you pencil Fox in for $10m and pray he values being a Ranger AND on a competitive team over squeezing every last nickle. It's up to him ultimately so anything under is a bonus. Maybe he looks at Makar and reasons that the extra million is really $850-900k after escrow, $500k after taxes (more? I don't know rich people in Manhattan rates), then a cut to your agent, probably some more percentage points to the ether, and you really just gave up $350k to improve your team's balance and maybe set the tone of sacrificing a little to keep a team.together a la Boston and Pittsburgh. 8 years seems like it would happen.

 

[Ola]

This idea about Virtanen is nuts. He’ll be 25 when the season starts and he’s never lived up to his promise. The allegations against him are not a good look either. I wouldn’t go near him with a million foot pole.

The insinuation that if we had signed Virtanen we wouldn’t have had to trade Buch is silly. The Rangers moved on from Buch because of other big contracts coming our way in the next few years and we couldn’t afford giving Pavel $6-$6.5 mil for 5,6,7 years. I get it that it that he’s an excellent player and it sucks but…..this is a flat cap world right now and there’s only so much money to go around and that includes looking down the line for Fox, Lafreniere and Kakko.

At the same time, we all know that — all — ingredients for a disaster has been present from Day 1 for Virtanen.
- PFs take longer to develop
- Virtanen was picked like 2 rounds ahead of where he should have been picked
- Vancouver has had totally unrealistic expectations on him for like 4-5 years and there is extreme pressure on players in Vancouver
- Virtanen seemingly has at least been a bit immature

If anyone ever could benefit from a fresh start, it seems to be him and if he was in need of a wake up call, by god he got one.

 

[wafflepadsave]

The Rangers have two logical paths to trade and replace Strome; trade for a center (Dvorak or Kadri make the most sense) or sign Danault. If Strome could bring back that coveted left defenseman on a short commitment one of these things will likely happen.

I’m still wondering if there’s anything to be done with Los Angeles for one their centers?

 

[effen]

Even without the off the ice stuff, Virtanen sucks. He's literally an EA NHL player come to life. Skates fast, hits hard, shoots hard, except he's dumb as rocks. If you could move him around with a controller he'd probably be pretty good.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Nils is our path to a C.

 

[bl02]

I think people love the idea of what he is rather than you know…what he actually is. He’s not this magical two-way player that people think he is, and if he didn’t ride shotgun to Tkachuk and Marner in London, he wouldn’t even be half as relevant as he is today.
He’s like a fine 3C that has way too much term and doesn’t produce anywhere near where his contract warrants. Given what people are proposing to trade for him, it’s an absolutely terrible move.

I honestly don't think 4.4 million for a 24 year old center who was on pace for 45 points is terrible. I'm not saying he's an amazing player and like i'm sure 95 percent of the people on here have only watched a handful of his games last year.
How many points should he score on probably one of the worst offensive teams in hockey?
I would be proposing Jones plus a first maybe a second. Is that so horrible? Who else is out there?
If we wanna ride strome another year I'm cool with that.
Cost controlled centers at 24/25 years old are impossible to find.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I'm flabbergasted that people are putting 60 points for Danault with Panarin, but for some reason they think Dvorak will stay at 40 points playing with the same player. There's far more upside in Dvorak at 4.45M for 4 years than there is with Danault at 6+ X 6 and I dont think its really close. One is also 4 years younger. Remember when Strome was kinda chop liver as a former 1st round high pick? or Zibanejad in Ottawa? Rangers have had very good luck with both. Dvorak was another high 1st round pick, but oh no the Rangers might have to give up some picks when they only got 42 prospects they already can't find real spots for to put them in the best position to succeed lol.

My bad 2nd round pick. Still, Panarin can turn any 40 point center into a 50+ point center as long as he does other things well thats easily 2C amaterial. Yes Danault is that kind of player too, he's also 29 opposed to 25 which means his contract would start at the age Dvorak's ends

 

[Fitzy]

Lafrenière-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Strome-Kravtsov
Kreider-Chytil-Goodrow
Barron-Rooney-Blais
Gauthier

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Reunanen-Lundkvist
Hajek

Shestyorkin
Georgiev

This can go either way really ... either it clicks and we make the playoffs or this a top 10 pick in the making.

We have to trade Strome for a 2022 first, somehow. xD Let Chytil and Barron slide up.

We REALLY need a good veteran LD in that Reunanen spot to be a playoff team. It's an absolute must to get one, be it via free agency or trade.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

Even without the off the ice stuff, Virtanen sucks. He's literally an EA NHL player come to life. Skates fast, hits hard, shoots hard, except he's dumb as rocks. If you could move him around with a controller he'd probably be pretty good.

I was gonna say, as a player he's just Gauthier. Hope Blais has more going on upstairs than those guys

 

[PuckLuck3043]

With the kind of borderline UFA level deals young dmen are signing right now, they'd have to play serious hardball with Fox to keep the number down.

It's aggravating because it feels like teams aren't hardly saving a penny from RFA protection any more. The next CBA needs to address this because it's making good drafting less and less important.

Yes. It is frustrating for sure. Makar just signed a 9mil/6year contract and he is an elite talent who finished right below Fox in Norris voting. 9 mil should get it done especially when Fox does not want to play anywhere else.

 

[RGY]

We REALLY need a good veteran LD in that Reunanen spot to be a playoff team. It's an absolute must to get one, be it via free agency or trade.

Suter or Martinez. Need to come away with one of them.

I still have them signing Coleman or Foligno.

A cheap 4C to upgrade Rooney, but this is may be left alone.

And I have them trading Strome

 

[EdJovanovski]

Suter or Martinez. Need to come away with one of them.

I still have them signing Coleman or Foligno.

A cheap 4C to upgrade Rooney, but this is may be left alone.

And I have them trading Strome

NEVER

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Why not trade Strome for a vet LD (and maybe one more 4th liner,Pker), sign a cheaper than Danault C like Granlund or Bonino (about 4-5 more I can think of) and give Chytil the opportunity to beat them out for 2C. I think we’re about 2 moves away from our team outside of some depth signings and trying to find a sucka for Hajek

 

[Ola]

Even without the off the ice stuff, Virtanen sucks. He's literally an EA NHL player come to life. Skates fast, hits hard, shoots hard, except he's dumb as rocks. If you could move him around with a controller he'd probably be pretty good.

It’s possible to sign him to a contract that 100% can be buried in the AHL. I don’t agree that he is a hopelessly lost cause as a player. He scored 18 goals in 70 games last season.

 

[bl02]

We REALLY need a good veteran LD in that Reunanen spot to be a playoff team. It's an absolute must to get one, be it via free agency or trade.

I agree I would put that as most critical issue for trying to make the playoffs next year which I think is what we all want. It is critical also to help provide some stability for a Nils on the third pairing or whichever youngster is put there.
So will help short term and for long term development.
If we are stuck with Strome for another year so be it. We lose him for nothing. he's not returning anything big right now

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

or you can keep Strome and play him on the wing of Panarin. Chytil at 2C and if he falters you still have Strome to take over and then you have your decision on Chytil as a 2C (at least for the short term). Strome can always be traded at the TDL just like Buchnevich who they sold for 40 cents because for some reason they were in some rush to trade him.

 

[LOFIN]

Why not trade Strome for a vet LD (and maybe one more 4th liner,Pker), sign a cheaper than Danault C like Granlund or Bonino (about 4-5 more I can think of) and give Chytil the opportunity to beat them out for 2C. I think we’re about 2 moves away from our team outside of some depth signings and trying to find a sucka for Hajek

Granlund is not a C though, not really.

 

[bl02]

Strome will be 29 and asking for around 6x6.

And like I said I wouldn't do that with Strome. Ride him this year and if we are competing great if we are out of the race trade him for whatever you can get. Strome or Danault 6x6 would be a mistake

 

[RGY]

NEVER

Why? Because of 2014? Time to move on. He can very much still play at a high level. He knows what it takes to win. Would be a great add and partner for Lundkvist.

 

[Machinehead]

I'm flabbergasted that people are putting 60 points for Danault with Panarin, but for some reason they think Dvorak will stay at 40 points playing with the same player. There's far more upside in Dvorak at 4.45M for 4 years than there is with Danault at 6+ X 6 and I dont think its really close. One is also 4 years younger. Remember when Strome was kinda chop liver as a former 1st round high pick? or Zibanejad in Ottawa? Rangers have had very good luck with both. Dvorak was another high 1st round pick, but oh no the Rangers might have to give up some picks when they only got 42 prospects they already can't find real spots for to put them in the best position to succeed lol.

-Yes, the Rangers have assets to give up but Danault is free.
-Danault is the best defensive forward in the NHL and Dvorak is replacement level defensively.
-Dvoark's career-high in even strength points is 28. Danault's is 51.

You can't compare the two at all. I get shying away from Danault because of the price but people want him because he's a perfect fit and does everything our centers don't do.

Dvorak is just a worse version of what we already have. He doesn't tilt the ice at all at even strength. Lafreniere needs to be on PP1 so Dvorak absolutely should not and hopefully would not be on the top unit. He's Strome and Zibanejad with fewer points. I seriously don't get it all.

Adding Dvorak to this team is like adding aspartame to a dish that's too sweet just because it has no calories, while keeping the sugar.

 

[LOFIN]

or you can keep Strome and play him on the wing of Panarin. Chytil at 2C and if he falters you still have Strome to take over and then you have your decision on Chytil as a 2C (at least for the short term). Strome can always be traded at the TDL just like Buchnevich who they sold for 40 cents because for some reason they were in some rush to trade him.

If we keep Strome I guess we can go
Laf-Zib-Krav
Panarin-Strome-Goodrow
Kreider-Chytil-Kakko

Goodrow I think would be the best fit on that line. Kakko and Kravtsov don't work with that duo.

 

[Ned Braden]

Well, firing Quinn and hiring Gallant. But if we're going strictly off of player transactions, then yes, trading a 4th for Howden has been his best move so far. Draft - average to below average. We overpaid Goodrow and we got ripped off in the Buch trade.

The Rangers are a better more complete team now than they were at the end if the season. If we're looking for a positive let's start with that.

 

[Machinehead]

And like I said I wouldn't do that with Strome. Ride him this year and if we are competing great if we are out of the race trade him for whatever you can get. Strome or Danault 6x6 would be a mistake

So then what are we doing?

 

[bl02]

NEVER

lol. There has to be someone else.

 

[effen]

It’s possible to sign him to a contract that 100% can be buried in the AHL. I don’t agree that he is a hopelessly lost cause as a player. He scored 18 goals in 70 games last season.

He's not hopelessly lost as a player, if he gets smarter he'll be better, but there's a reason he's cut loose when teams pretty much always qualify their RFAs even if they are buttcheeks.