Speculation: Roster Building/Rumor Thread XV

[Oscar Lindberg]

I do find it funny that everyone except the writers who get paid to cover this team specifically has info on what the Rangers are planning to do

Like Seravalli just dropped a chapter in a books worth of info about what Drury is trying to do and the Rangers beat writers don’t know what day it is

Random reporters in Ottawa know Strome is available but none of the beat writers have mentioned it lol

 

[TheBPA]

At the same time, isn’t it a fact that these guys have had zero success in the POs the last 15 years? Since when can you do well in the POs with size and center? Everyone was writing down Winnipeg as a Cup winner for a few years after the first round and then when they face better teams their size at center becomes a burden. Nashville after they got RyJo? Now they can’t give him away.

For me it just comes down to this, break down the job description for a center in today’s NHL. Put it in bullet points. How many of those pts are benefitted from size and how many from quickness, ability to take away ice fast, hard work? For me it would be very illogical if someone 6’4 had an advantage over someone 5’11 at center. Totally illogical. If you play 20 minutes, for 30 sec you benefit from being big and 19:30 from being quick. Wing? Ds? Their job description is totally different. Size at D? All kinds of argument can be made there. Same with a few wingers.

And that logical argument get all kind of possible support from the reality.

The above is of course a super binary argument in a world of hockey that is anything but binary. But on this very topic, it’s hard to not come to the above conclusions.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Eichel isn't a "big" lumbering center, he is a hell of a skater.

Winnipeg, they have about 1.5 defensemen.

Nashville, Ryan Johansen sucks. If you're ranking centers, between Eichel and Johansen there's probably close to 50 spots of difference.

 

[duhmetreE]

Because you don't make the trade until your medical staff have assured you that he will be fine.

you can't assure anything in surgery.

 

[mas0764]

Schneider's value has gone up since being drafted too. He had a good season in the W. If he were in another team's system he would be their best prospect, we'd all be foaming at the mouth if this was 2014 or something. We just kind of take him for granted him because our system is so stacked.

He's a bonafide blue chip prospect.

It has gone up but I don't think as dramatically.

I don't really agree he's a blue chip. He's a very, very nice prospect, don't get me wrong. He's in our stable of future top-4 possible defensemen. But I just don't think he has the upside of guys like Kravtsov and Nils, I think he's a clear cut below that. Again, I'd say closer to Robertson even though I'd say Schneider is better.

This is paywall but as of February Scott Wheeler had him ranked our 6th best prospect (he was including Lafreniere at the time still), behind Zack Jones but ahead of Robertson. Lundkvist was 2. Miller was 3, Kravtsov was 4.

Wheeler’s 2021 NHL prospect pool rankings: No. 2 New York Rangers

Wheeler had Schneider the 37th best prospect in that draft by the way. Pronman had him 25. Craig Button had him 25th. SI had him 24th. He was 34th by Elite Prospects. I know Kournianos had him in the 40s.

 

[Ola]

Literally no one can beat Tampa, by the time we're competing they'll be on the downswing. They already lost Gourde, gonna lose Coleman. McDonagh will slow down eventually, Hedman already past his peak it appears. Stamkos is slowing down. etc.

I am afraid about Hughes/Hirscher. Teams are taking notice.

5 years ago teams would be desperate to get someone like Dylan Strome. 51 pts in 58 games just a few years ago. They aren’t anymore. He just isn’t effective.

It’s one thing to do well on the PP and against worse teams, like Mika against Philly. But someone like Hughes when he enters his prime could end up killing these dinosaurs with his speed and quickness.

 

[NYSPORTS]

rather trade for Larkin or Barkov before Eichel

could sign Barkov if be hits the open market.

There is always somebody available. I hope the Rangers add grit and stay patient. The maturing of each young player is already an upgrade without doing anything

 

[Gardner McKay]

you can't assure anything in surgery.

No. But your medical team can keep you apprised of risks, likelihood of recovery, etc. From there you can make an informed decision as an organization about what you feel comfortable offering.

 

[NYSPORTS]

It has gone up but I don't think as dramatically.

I don't really agree he's a blue chip. He's a very, very nice prospect, don't get me wrong. He's in our stable of future top-4 possible defensemen. But I just don't think he has the upside of guys like Kravtsov and Nils, I think he's a clear cut below that. Again, I'd say closer to Robertson even though I'd say Schneider is better.

This is paywall but as of February Scott Wheeler had him ranked our 6th best prospect (he was including Lafreniere at the time still), behind Zack Jones but ahead of Robertson. Lundkvist was 2. Miller was 3, Kravtsov was 4.

Wheeler’s 2021 NHL prospect pool rankings: No. 2 New York Rangers

Wheeler had Schneider the 37th best prospect in that draft by the way. Pronman had him 25. He was 34th by Elite Prospects. I know Kournianos had him in the 40s.

Com’on lol. That’s like saying Scott Stevens doesn’t have the upside of Niedermayer. Yet again, the playoffs displayed what you need.

 

[rangers1314]

Another note from this AM's 31T, Friedman did mentioned that Florida was going to take a run at getting a Barkov extension done this summer.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Does Marseccheault not play center anymore? Heck even as a winger I'd take him. 3 years at 5M per left. Why would he be available? Also sounds like a good replacement for Buchnevich

 

[Thirty One]

Don't love Strome for Soucy but I can live with this since it's nothing dramatic.

Thomas isn't my preferred target for Buch but it's not terrible.

If Strome for Giordano was outrageous, the English language does not provide an adjective adequate to describe a Strome for Soucy trade.

 

[DutchShamrock]

Found it interesting that rangers have checked on every team that has a top 10 pick. That seems to be directly connected to Eichel

Sabres don't want Buch. Flip him for a top 10 then send it to Buffalo? They can shop him at the deadline but maybe they want the pick this week not next year. They are supposedly hard after Eklund in addition to Powers.

 

[SRHRangers]

Does Marseccheault not play center anymore? Heck even as a winger I'd take him. 3 years at 5M per left. Why would he be available? Also sounds like a good replacement for Buchnevich

Because Vegas is prolly big game hunting.

If in that scenario, we did get Eichel, Vegas is the first phone call I make about Zib.

 

[mas0764]

Com’on lol. That’s like saying Scott Stevens doesn’t have the upside of Niedermayer. Yet again, the playoffs displayed what you need.

It's really not like saying that... I'm saying Lundkvist probably ends up playing higher in a lineup routinely throughout his career than Schneider does, wherever those careers may happen.

Playoff needs is another issue. In fact that's kinda my argument, the Rangers have realized they need what Schneider brings possibly more than they need what Lundkvist brings even though Lundkvist is easily the better talent. I think that realization is leading people to overrate Schneider a bit.

 

[Thirty One]

Found it interesting that rangers have checked on every team that has a top 10 pick. That seems to be directly connected to Eichel

Yeah, the writer who put that out there directly connected it to Eichel.

SERAVALLI: Ice Breakers - Rangers the team to watch as NHL trade freeze lifts - Daily Faceoff

All of which has teams wondering: Are the Rangers the leading contender to acquire Jack Eichel? Sources say the Rangers have quietly checked with each of the teams holding a pick inside the Top 10 of Friday’s Draft, inquiring about the price to acquire it. (New York’s first-round pick is No. 16 overall.) The belief is the Rangers would like to package that pick in a transaction for Eichel, as the Sabres are reportedly seeking another lottery-range pick to go with their No. 1 overall selection.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

not sure I buy the Rangers "have been trying to trade Buchnevich for weeks". That kinda sounds like no one has interest (or maybe its for a top 10 pick if Buffalo wants that,etc) I'm sure Buchnevich has quite alot of value

 

[mas0764]

The same 5 people posting/responding with the same comments regarding Eichel over and over and over....

Truth is, these centers don't come around very often. There's huge risk involved, but there is a price out there that makes sense for NYR. It's all about what the cost is. Medical speculation on this board is all just noise and garbage. As if Drury is going to risk his career as a GM without doing the medical due diligence.

Frame this

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I am afraid about Hughes/Hirscher. Teams are taking notice.

5 years ago teams would be desperate to get someone like Dylan Strome. 51 pts in 58 games just a few years ago. They aren’t anymore. He just isn’t effective.

It’s one thing to do well on the PP and against worse teams, like Mika against Philly. But someone like Hughes when he enters his prime could end up killing these dinosaurs with his speed and quickness.

Speed isn't everything. Barzal is like a top 3 skater in the world but he's limited in his impact. A very good player but he's like a 66 point player and isn't a major factor every night. I see Hughes ending up at the same level. Assist guys who won't score more than 20 goals in a given season.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

This has disaster written all over it if they deal for this kid. Why would the Sabres be holding back the records if Eichel wants out?

The only thing I'm thinking is that they're dealing in semi-bad faith.

They know he needs surgery, they're hoping they can get a top return now and a team that is so far along in the process that they throw aside conventional wisdom and go through with the trade anyway. It's not 100% dishonest, a bit slimy but if they fool someone thats really on the team trading for him.

If a team gets to that point and then they back out, Buffalo goes ahead with surgery, prays that he plays at all next season and revisits this next year.

 

[duhmetreE]

Two first round picks, ha.

I was responding to the point that "we don't need" two elite centers though. Silly rhetoric. Everyone needs two elite centers if you can get them reasonably.

The problem is that we disagree on whether its reasonable in this situation.

The issue is that
1) if by some miracle, both stay on the team, they are very similar in strengths. We more than likely wont be getting the most out of one.
2) Eichel comes, Mika walks. So, if all goes well with Eichels health, Mika would be moved. In that scenario, we are in the same exact spot we were prior to acquiring Eichel... but down assets and cap space. It's a high cost lateral move, ie. doesn't make sense

That's what they said about Panarin.

??????

I was the conductor of the sign Panarin train. This is no where near similar situations

 

[Trxjw]

With the Rangers having been circling Dunn for a long while and Seattle in serious need of center help, it feels like something around Dunn and Strome makes a lot of sense.

 

[Ola]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Eichel isn't a "big" lumbering center, he is a hell of a skater.

Winnipeg, they have about 1.5 defensemen.

Nashville, Ryan Johansen sucks. If you're ranking centers, between Eichel and Johansen there's probably close to 50 spots of difference.

Hm, big and lumbering is exactly how I would describe Eichel’s skating?

Sure when he got his speed going, he can step around a D. He is really hard to get a hold of in the attacking zone. But he isn’t going to keep up with a Yanni Gourde in a transition play.

 

[NYSPORTS]

It's really not like saying that... I'm saying Lundkvist probably ends up playing higher in a lineup routinely throughout his career than Schneider does, wherever those careers may happen.

Playoff needs is another issue. In fact that's kinda my argument, the Rangers have realized they need what Schneider brings possibly more than they need what Lundkvist brings even though Lundkvist is easily the better talent. I think that realization is leading people to overrate Schneider a bit.

The second paragraph is what everybody needs. The Final Four didn’t get there b/c the defense played offense.

 

[rangers1314]

With the Rangers having been circling Dunn for a long while and Seattle in serious need of center help, it feels like something around Dunn and Strome makes a lot of sense.

Dunn isn't "the type of player" we're looking for to fill that 3LDH spot.

McNabb, Soucy. Those are the types of guys they are eyeing.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

not sure I buy the Rangers "have been trying to trade Buchnevich for weeks". That kinda sounds like no one has interest (or maybe its for a top 10 pick if Buffalo wants that,etc) I'm sure Buchnevich has quite alot of value

On top of the fact that most big trades like Buch always go only at the last possible second.