Speculation: Roster Building/Rumor Thread XV

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Come on millennial silver fox let’s start leakin some of these trades

 

[Daves a mess]

here's Larry

Adams is waiting/hoping for Bill Guerin to go on a bender and give up Rossi. Adams holding out for a Nils/Dahlin pairing? Who knows.

Kevyn Adams is in a shootout with a broken wheel gun. But the thought of a healthy Jack in a year at discounted trade value apparently is very enticing.

The thought of this going on until October has me reaching for the Honey Jack early today.

 

[Tom W]

Eichel is 24, and elite skill level.
NYR haven't been strong down the middle since...?
Mika wasn't a risk with his concussion history?

There is risk... Rangers can offer a "fair" deal, but shouldn't overpay

6 months recovery 80% chance he will play at the same level. Nope ill pass.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Eichel is 24, and elite skill level.
NYR haven't been strong down the middle since...?
Mika wasn't a risk with his concussion history?

There is risk... Rangers can offer a "fair" deal, but shouldn't overpay

so what’s the game plan is Eichel can’t play or produces like a $5 million dollar player? Add another $5 million to make up for it to total $15 million? Might as well must offer Barkov $13 million to save $2 million and have a healthy neck.

 

[TheKing30]

Asking for a first for Georgiev lolol

 

[mas0764]

BB had him like 11

Who is BB?

You said that he wasn't great value at 19. He went exactly round where he was supposed to go.

That's average value. Great value is getting a steal, someone who you got way after they were projected. I'm not sure how I can be more clear about this cause I spelled it out in each post on this subject... he was a mid-to-late teens prospects and he was selected right there at 19. He was near universally thought to be ranked right in that range. If the consensus skewed in any direction it seemed to be that he was a little bit of a reach.

He has shown he's on track since his selection but I don't think he's had any major jumps either. I think many are expecting far, far too much from Schneider if they think he's better than Nils, even. Let alone "Fox/Laf tier," which was the original point.

Nils wasn't universally regarded as a 1st the year he was taken either.

Nils' value has skyrocketed since selection though.

I wouldn't put either of them on the Fox/Lafreniere level (more people have done that with Nils than they have Schneider btw.)

I agree. Nils is not on that level either.

Like I said, I would go Laf/Fox, then Nils/Kravtsov.

I don't know that I'd say Schneider is in the Robertson/Jones tier either, he might be by himself, but I think he's in between. I do not think he's in the Nils/Kravtsov tier.

 

[Section311]

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[bleedblue94]

Adams really has until the first day of free agency to wait this out. I'm sure you might want to draft pick this year but the real deadline is UFA starting because once that starts teams will start using up their cap space and they'll be even harder for him to move Jack. If he waits until after the draft this year he can always negotiate for 22 picks beyond that if we even heard of one team getting access specifically to the medical records?

I keep hearing the only release done with a serious offer, but I haven't heard of an actual team getting it yet. All this just screams to me that it is negotiating

 

[rangers1314]

The whole JE is just so god damn predictable.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

$10m in a flat cap environment. One season expected to be what, 90% lost? And there is no certainty that he will be the same player post surgery?

Yeeesh will be tough to stomach an Eichel deal.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Kermit McDermit will be a NYR by 1 pm

 

[Ola]

Eichel is 24, and elite skill level.
NYR haven't been strong down the middle since...?
Mika wasn't a risk with his concussion history?

There is risk... Rangers can offer a "fair" deal, but shouldn't overpay

My concern is, would we with Eichel and Mika be strong or very weak down the middle in a head to head with say the center lineup Tampa had this POs? Point, Gourde, Cirelli and Johnson?

I can see Tampa back down and then blitz us on the counter attack. Eichel and Mika needing all kind of space to get going. When I look around the league, these centers do great against weaker teams and then disappear against the better teams, in large.

Isn’t it time that we start to look for players that are good in the POs like Gourde and co? Real winners? Tremendously speedy hard working players.

The average size of a center on a cup winning team the last 2 years is what, 5’9?

 

[mas0764]

What did Pittsburgh give up to acquire them?

Two first round picks, ha.

I was responding to the point that "we don't need" two elite centers though. Silly rhetoric. Everyone needs two elite centers if you can get them reasonably.

The problem is that we disagree on whether its reasonable in this situation.

 

[mas0764]

They had 3 10 mil forwards?

I'd be interested to know cap percentage comparisons.

 

[bleedblue94]

My concern is, would we be strong or very weak down the middle in a head to head with say the center lineup Tampa had this POs? Point, Gourde, Cirelli and Johnson?

I can see Tampa back down and then blitz us on the counter attack. Eichel and Mika needing all kind of space to get going. When I look around the league, these centers do great against weaker teams and then disappear against the better teams in large.

Isn’t it time that we start to look for players that are good in the POs like Gourde and co? Tremendously speedy hard working players.

They literally just signed one and half this board is complaining about the cost

 

[TheBPA]

The same 5 people posting/responding with the same comments regarding Eichel over and over and over....

Truth is, these centers don't come around very often. There's huge risk involved, but there is a price out there that makes sense for NYR. It's all about what the cost is. Medical speculation on this board is all just noise and garbage. As if Drury is going to risk his career as a GM without doing the medical due diligence.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Kermit McDermit will be a NYR by 1 pm

i rather just resign Brendan Smith

 

[ETTER DE]

I won't say Seattle will be bad because I thought Vegas was going to be absolute trash. What do I know? I just can't figure out how Francis didn't extract a little payment for making sweetheart picks. Lou wanted to keep Bailey and hoped Eberle was the pick for cap reasons. Exploit that and get a small return. Geekie over Bean or El Nino, fine but bluff Carolina a little and ask for a mid round pick. Montreal was going deep state and manipulating the process. Bergevin can't lose Price after the run, going into his own contract year. Ask for a 1st (30 OA).

Francis dishing out assists to Yzerman, Sakic and Bergevin deep into retirement trying to catch Gretzky.

My guess is that Francis have picked the players he already had deals ready to flip. They are going hard in on the UFA market and likely spending close to the salary cap. Had they selected Nino, Domi, Tarasenko etc without having deals ready it could have hurt their cap situation. Most likely why they selected players who will go straight to UFA. They know exactly how much cap they need after speaking to potensial UFA players.

 

[NikC]

so what’s the game plan is Eichel can’t play or produces like a $5 million dollar player? Add another $5 million to make up for it to total $15 million? Might as well must offer Barkov $13 million to save $2 million and have a healthy neck.

6 months recovery 80% chance he will play at the same level. Nope ill pass.

i wouldn't argue against this... if there is another top C worth pursuing

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

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Again, anyone who expects Eichel to be here with out surrendering Nils is nuts.

He would be gone, Chytil would be gone, Another prospect may be gone and 2 firsts would be gone.

The firsts are whatever, but you could do so much more to fill out this roster with those pieces (if you want to move them) than to blow them all for one player.

This would be the tunnel vision BS we saw with Nash.

Edit: Also this sounds like Strome for Dunn.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Kermit McDermit will be a NYR by 1 pm

Hopefully for nothing stupid.

 

[nsvoyageurs]

Really against Eichel, but if Drury can somehow make the trade on Saturday and make it a 2022 pick after we get Svechkov or a Center, how would you guys feel?

I don't want Eichel under any circumstance. I'd rather sign Zibanejad long term (not a fan of that idea either). Who knows if Eichel will be the same player after surgery and the long layoff? I'd rather see someone else take that chance; if he does become a great player, good for him. If that is the package, I'd rather give that for Barkov.

Chytil can be that guy with a bigger role. I'd rather get more 2022 picks, not give them away.

 

[RangersFan1994]

 

[RangersFan1994]

I don't want Eichel under any circumstance. I'd rather sign Zibanejad long term (not a fan of that idea either). Who knows if Eichel will be the same player after surgery and the long layoff? I'd rather see someone else take that chance; if he does become a great player, good for him. If that is the package, I'd rather give that for Barkov.

Chytil can be that guy with a bigger role. I'd rather get more 2022 picks, not give them away.

rather trade for Larkin or Barkov before Eichel

 

[mas0764]

I truly cannot understand why people would be gung ho about Eichel.

The cost will not be worth the risk. There's no way around it. It's foolish

That's what they said about Panarin.