Speculation: Roster Building LX: The Return of Cap(tain) Crunch aka LB Bus Stop Theme

[ecemleafs]

The mobile site is cancer now. Ads constantly blocking posts and formatting keeps messing up

I use an adblock mobile browser. Have no issues. The only annoyance is when you open a new tab and do a google search is takes longer than on a diff browser.

 

[True Blue]

When you have 4 guys that could potentially fill the role, nobody is being handed anything.

If nobody is being handed anything, then Boyle cannot possibly be blocking anyone.

I am not even saying that he should be brought back. But the notion that he is somehow a detriment to the playing time of a Lettieri or Nieves is a bit much for me.

 

[Leetch3]

The idea isn't that he misses games injured. It's that he plays injured often which hurts his performance.

thats a good point that we often ignore...and not just for kreider but players in general. we tend to look at the games played and if the guy plays 70-75+ games each year just assume he's always healthy and durable but especially with hockey players being in the lineup doesn't mean you are healthy

 

[NYRKing]

I don't think how good kreider is, especially in the short term, even needs to be debated at this point. obviously we are a better team right now with him than without...but he's gonna get $7 mil per year till he's 36. that's the problem. and the problem isn't just the assumption that his play will decline toward the end of that deal but also the fact that you'd then be committing $19 mil to 2 LW

Agree 100%. The speed, skill, and net front presence in his game is super valuable, especially for the playoffs. I wish we could keep him but his age/UFA status simply does not align with this team.

It's too bad the Avalanche didn't give us Newhook for him, but hopefully there is a deal to be made this summer for a first round pick.

 

[True Blue]

I don't want to hand anything to anyone. I want an open competition to see who can step up and win a spot. And if Nieves is given the inside track and fails, then great, we know to move on from him. This is a year where we should be experimenting with kids or younger fringe players to figure out what we have or do not have before next year or the following year when we ramp it up.

That is a contradiction. If there is an open competition, then how can anyone have an inside track?

And frankly Nieves deserves no such track. There will be quite a lot of kids being thrust into roles this year. Judging by his play, Nieves will not figure into much of that. No offense but this is beginning to remind me of the Bernization of Nieves.

We don't need Boyle, we have other veterans on the team and a strong coaching staff.

First of all, "we" don't need Nieves or Letteiri either. Second of all, it is one thing to be a veteran and another to be a veteran leader. Third of all, wow the dog days of summer, huh? A debate of an unsigned Boyle vs. Boo friggin' Nieves vs. Vinni "I have shown exactly zilch at the big level" Letteiri.

 

[Leetch3]

with regards to a potential buchnevich trade...the one thing needs to be considered is how much we could potentially inflate his value by keeping him this year even if we know we aren't going to commit to him long term...I know people are drooling over the idea of seeing kakko with zibanejad and panarin. but you could probably triple buchnevich's trade value by putting him on that top line (while also letting kakko and kravtsov to come along at their own pace)...of course from a PR standpoint it would be harder to sell fans on why you are trading buch at that point but I can see him being a 30/30 guy this year playing on that line and that sends is value thru the roof. at that point he very well might return a future 1C

he's probably the only guy this applies too...sure kreider could put up bigger numbers and finally hit 30 playing on that line but he's been in the league long enough that I think teams know what he is. buch is at the stage in his career though where it will be hard to determine if he's busting out or just being inflated by his line

 

[NYR Viper]

I'm mainly against giving 28-30 year old players who aren't superstars 6-7 year deals. They just never work out well. Kreider is a good player, I don't think that is the issue. It's the term of the deal for a player who, even now in his prime, doesn't take over a game.

 

[TheTakedown]

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IDK about iPhone.

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[GoAwayPanarin]

Please let something happen today.

 

[TheTakedown]

I'm mainly against giving 28-30 year old players who aren't superstars 6-7 year deals. They just never work out well. Kreider is a good player, I don't think that is the issue. It's the term of the deal for a player who, even now in his prime, doesn't take over a game.

That depends, again, on the player...

Kyle Turris should never have gotten the deal Nashville gave him...

Duchene on the other hand will probably be playing at his level for the next 4-5 years out of his 7 year deal

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

with regards to a potential buchnevich trade...the one thing needs to be considered is how much we could potentially inflate his value by keeping him this year even if we know we aren't going to commit to him long term...I know people are drooling over the idea of seeing kakko with zibanejad and panarin. but you could probably triple buchnevich's trade value by putting him on that top line (while also letting kakko and kravtsov to come along at their own pace)...of course from a PR standpoint it would be harder to sell fans on why you are trading buch at that point but I can see him being a 30/30 guy this year playing on that line and that sends is value thru the roof. at that point he very well might return a future 1C

he's probably the only guy this applies too...sure kreider could put up bigger numbers and finally hit 30 playing on that line but he's been in the league long enough that I think teams know what he is. buch is at the stage in his career though where it will be hard to determine if he's busting out or just being inflated by his line

Same could be said for Namestnikov. He had great production with the Lightning. Though he does carry a higher hit

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Please let something happen today.

Well that guy on Twitter said the new AHL coach would be announced either yesterday or today. Nothing happened yesterday, so...

 

[NYR Viper]

That depends, again, on the player...

Kyle Turris should never have gotten the deal Nashville gave him...

Duchene on the other hand will probably be playing at his level for the next 4-5 years out of his 7 year deal

See, to me, Duchene has always been the better player so that kind of lends itself to my point. Duchene is a difference maker. Turris has never been that. Kreider is much closer to Turris than Duchene.

 

[Leetch3]

Same could be said for Namestnikov. He had great production with the Lightning. Though he does carry a higher hit

you can boost his value a little bit but I don't think it makes much of a difference. he's got enough of a track record and teams can look at his play in TB to know that he could potentially play with better players. so it wouldn't really be a surprise to anyone...IMO the thing that really inflates namestnikov's value at the deadline is that its only a % of the cap hit and we can retain. as opposed to now where we likely don't want to retain due to the cap...

 

[Vitto79]

I’m calling Namestnikov for a lower contract that’s meh like Glendening from Detroit

Sign DeAngeko w that money

Buyout Smith to sign Buch

Lemieux winr need a lot on the cap for 1 yr but dealing Belesky helps even if it’s only under 1 million savings

 

[Calad]

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IDK about iPhone.

I'd like to stick with chrome for the Google sync convenience, so I'll look into blokada. Thanks for the tip!

 

[nyr2k2]

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Yeah I'm no longer rooted, so I couldn't use the great root apps. I found Blokada and it works really well, as long as you don't subscribe to every single list they offer (then some stuff that shouldn't be filtered gets caught). If you try it and like it, I'd be happy to share my config with you.

 

[eco's bones]

On the question of 2C----IMO the best candidate is Filip Chytil. He has the size, the wheels and the skillset and creativity to do the job. He's not yet 20 and he already has a full NHL season behind him. It wasn't spectacular by any means and he has issues to work out--in particular defensive zone coverage and face-offs and he's got to figure out how to use his size and strength so that his asset to his game.

IMO I'd be inclined to playing him with Panarin---maybe not exclusively but a lot. He won't have to worry about carrying his line offensively--he'll learn from a smart player and he's never really played on a line where he hasn't been the most talented player.

It also gives the Rangers two lines that should be threats to score at any given time--the line with Zibanejad and the line with Panarin.

 

[Luger]

Assuming no more major UFA acquisitions or trades, the Rangers cap hit will be around $60 million in 2 years, give or take a couple million depending on how the kids prove to be before their bridge. Leave another $15 or so for pay raises on top of their current salaries for Kakko, Kravtsov and Zibanejad (or his replacement). That takes the Rangers to around $75 in 3 years. The cap went up $10 the last 3 years, so it likely goes up another $10, give or take, by 2022-23.

That leaves the Rangers with at least $15 million in cap space in the summer of 2022, maybe as much as $21 million. Even if they are closer to $15, trade away Strome and you have the money to make another big splash like Trouba and Kravtsov.

 

[Mac n Gs]

On the question of 2C----IMO the best candidate is Filip Chytil. He has the size, the wheels and the skillset and creativity to do the job. He's not yet 20 and he already has a full NHL season behind him. It wasn't spectacular by any means and he has issues to work out--in particular defensive zone coverage and face-offs and he's got to figure out how to use his size and strength so that his asset to his game.

IMO I'd be inclined to playing him with Panarin---maybe not exclusively but a lot. He won't have to worry about carrying his line offensively--he'll learn from a smart player and he's never really played on a line where he hasn't been the most talented player.

It also gives the Rangers two lines that should be threats to score at any given time--the line with Zibanejad and the line with Panarin.

I think is most likely what we'll see to start the year, but I also wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of turnover within out middle-6 throughout the year. I'm sure it'll drive us nuts on here, but that's the flip side of putting developing kids in tougher roles. I'm expecting to see Chytil, Howden, and Strome all see significant time as the 2C this season.

Ideally, Chytil or Howden seizes the opportunity and runs with it.

 

[Avery16]

Are season ticket holders vetted?

 

[Gardner McKay]

Are season ticket holders vetted?

Absolutely not.

 

[charliemurphy]

I’m calling Namestnikov for a lower contract that’s meh like Glendening from Detroit

Sign DeAngeko w that money

Buyout Smith to sign Buch

Lemieux winr need a lot on the cap for 1 yr but dealing Belesky helps even if it’s only under 1 million savings

This seems to me to be very plausible and likely to happen. Agreed, either Namestnikov gets dealt for a lesser contract or he's dealt for late picks perhaps with a little salary retention. We should be seeing Smith bought out any day now. This enables Gorton to keep Krieder until the deadline. I don't know what Gorton's feelings are about going into the season with Kreider still on the roster but I have to assume its because teams aren't willing to give him the kind of trade he's looking for which IMO has to include either a 2020 1st or a really good prospect and some sort of conditional pick.

 

[Waivers]

Also thinking a few years down the line, 3 to be specific, look at that UFA class (hi Barkov). Trade Kreider’s cap hit and term, so we aren’t hamstrung if we wanted to make another super star move, not in the immediate future, but if and when this roster may need to bolster up once more.

 

[NYR Viper]

Also thinking a few years down the line, 3 to be specific, look at that UFA class (hi Barkov). Trade Kreider’s cap hit and term, so we aren’t hamstrung if we wanted to make another super star move, not in the immediate future, but if and when this roster may need to bolster up once more.

That would coincide with when this team should be competing but they may not have the space to make that type of move