Speculation: Roster Building LX: The Return of Cap(tain) Crunch aka LB Bus Stop Theme

[Leetch3]

Would you do buch, krieder, chytl, and a 2021 1st rounder for draisaitl

oilers wouldn't

 

[BBKers]

oilers wouldn't

Logically speaking I agree. No, they wouldn’t.
But historically speaking... they might

 

[Alluckks]

I'd bet that we want to use a buyout on Smith, and then trade Buchnevich. More concrete picture and allows us to operate trades with more cap potentially.

 

[Ola]

The thing I never liked about Boyle was that he was basically the opposite of an alpha, whatever that's called.
Very typical Ranger who follows the officials into a scrum and has some "unpleasant words".

Yeah, I am also laughing a bit at the status he has received. But their aren’t many Neil’s around anymore I guess...

 

[BBKers]

Yeah, I am also laughing a bit at the status he has received. But their aren’t many Neil’s around anymore I guess...

Chris Neil was as vicious as they come. But could play hockey too

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I dont see Buch landing more then a comparable player (similar age/contract situation/production). A hockey trade essentially.

I dont see the Rangers taking a pick/prospect for him unless they intend on flipping that return plus something(s) else to upgrade at the 2C position.

 

[SA16]

any mention of potential trade partners?

Of course not. That would provide too much non generic info.

 

[haohmaru]

Of course not. That would provide too much non generic info.

Pass the salt, please.

 

[nyr2k2]

What is this "read more" thing you guys are talking about? My notifications on mobile and desktop are working fine.

 

[Calad]

Read more on the mobile site is disgusting

The mobile site is cancer now. Ads constantly blocking posts and formatting keeps messing up

 

[Leetch3]

Read more on the mobile site is disgusting

Ok just saw the ‘read more’ thing between that and the 6000 ads the site is nearly unusable on your phone

 

[nyr2k2]

On Android, there are lots of ad-blocking browsers. If you're rooted, there are lots of simple and incredibly effective options that will modify your hosts file to filter out ads. And even if you're not rooted and want to use your stock browser or Chrome or whatever, you can try VPN filtering options like Blokada, which I currently use. It's great, very effective at what it does, and saves data to boot.

IDK about iPhone.

 

[pld459666]

The definitive ranking of the NHL’s top 20 left wingers over three seasons - Sportsnet.ca

For anyone that think Kreider IS NOT A TOP 15 LW

This article is before last season in which CK matched career high in goals.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Kreider is a really good LW right now no debating that, what's he look like in 3 or 4 years time at 7-8 mill? Love the guy, great skill set that never quite peaked but he is a guy who is likely to be injured more than he is healthy in his 30s. It's time to let the past gen that didn't get the job done move on. Of all the players we moved on from the one guy I would maybe have kept was Stepan, his cap hit doesnt seem outlandish anymore, we did get DeAngelo and Anderson from it so it will likely be best for the team but it would be nice to have him behind Zibanajad now.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

Kreider is a difference-maker when healthy, but what percentage of the time has he been truly healthy these past few years?

This is purely anecdotal on my part, but he always seems to have nagging injuries that cause a dip in production. Could he end up being a Blake Wheeler type that keeps improving into his 30s? Sure, but the odds are overwhelmingly against that happening. In the past 8 years, Wheeler has missed 6 games. It's absolutely insane.

I'd look for Kreider to have a big year, then trade him for something marginally better than the Hayes return. Hayes played the more important position, but Kreider is undoubtedly a higher tier of player. Once teams start deluding themselves into believing they have a legit shot at the cup, picks and prospects that were previously off the table will become available. Gorton is nothing if not patient.

 

[pld459666]

Kreider is a really good LW right now no debating that, what's he look like in 3 or 4 years time at 7-8 mill? Love the guy, great skill set that never quite peaked but he is a guy who is likely to be injured more than he is healthy in his 30s. It's time to let the past gen that didn't get the job done move on. Of all the players we moved on from the one guy I would maybe have kept was Stepan, his cap hit doesnt seem outlandish anymore, we did get DeAngelo and Anderson from it so it will likely be best for the team but it would be nice to have him behind Zibanajad now.

Since his game is not predicated on his speed, I think he can be who he is for another 5 years.

Kreider does his best work along the boards and in front of the net with his size and ability to tip shots on net.

His speed makes him dangerous, but it's not what makes him who he is.

I think CK has another 5-6 years of similar production ahead of him

I just dont believe it's worth 7 per for 7-8 years.

I'd give him the same contract JVR got, but that's it.

 

[pld459666]

Kreider is a difference-maker when healthy, but what percentage of the time has he been truly healthy these past few years?

This is purely anecdotal on my part, but he always seems to have nagging injuries that cause a dip in production. Could he end up being a Blake Wheeler type that keeps improving into his 30s? Sure, but the odds are overwhelmingly against that happening. In the past 8 years, Wheeler has missed 6 games. It's absolutely insane.

I'd look for Kreider to have a big year, then trade him for something marginally better than the Hayes return. Hayes played the more important position, but Kreider is undoubtedly a higher tier of player. Once teams start deluding themselves into believing they have a legit shot at the cup, picks and prospects that were previously off the table will become available. Gorton is nothing if not patient.

In the last 5 years, Kreider has played full seasons in 4 of them.

I classify a full season as someone that has played in at least 90% of the teams games.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

In the last 5 years, Kreider has played full seasons in 4 of them.

I classify a full season as someone that has played in at least 90% of the teams games.

How convenient for you that you use those metrics.

Kreider can't seem to stay healthy, even if he's in the lineup. I'm not giving him a deal longer than 4 years, and he's not taking a deal that short.

 

[pld459666]

How convenient for you that you use those metrics.

Kreider can't seem to stay healthy, even if he's in the lineup. I'm not giving him a deal longer than 4 years, and he's not taking a deal that short.

I use that metric for everyone. Not just Kreider.

While it's nice to play in all 82 games, today's athletes are more inclined to get breathers and maintenance days every so often to address any number of bumps and bruises they get along the way.

 

[Tawnos]

Since his game is not predicated on his speed, I think he can be who he is for another 5 years.

Kreider does his best work along the boards and in front of the net with his size and ability to tip shots on net.

His speed makes him dangerous, but it's not what makes him who he is.

I think CK has another 5-6 years of similar production ahead of him

I just dont believe it's worth 7 per for 7-8 years.

I'd give him the same contract JVR got, but that's it.

Age deterioration isn't only about skating ability. Reaction time is a really big one that gets overlooked a lot. If his reaction time slips, all that great work along the boards and in front of the net will suffer.

There's really no way to predict what will happen.

 

[pld459666]

And for the record, CK has played in 90% of his teams games over the last 5 years including his 58 game season.

Remove that season as it was not an hockey related injury, and we are talking about a player that misses, on average, 3.75 games per year.

The idea that CK misses games due to injuries is not based on facts.

 

[pld459666]

Age deterioration isn't only about skating ability. Reaction time is a really big one that gets overlooked a lot. If his reaction time slips, all that great work along the boards and in front of the net will suffer.

There's really no way to predict what will happen.

Fair point about reaction time.

 

[RangerBoy]

The Buchnevich arbitration briefs are due tomorrow morning. 48 hours before the hearing. The Rangers are really using every minute available to them.

Trouba was signed last Friday. Gorton got a definite number. He has known for a week how much Trouba will cost.

The Rangers have a lot of money coming off the books in the next two summers. Some players will be gone before their contracts expire.

The Rangers don’t have many big contracts coming up next summer. Georgiev will be a Group II with arbitration rights. DeAngelo and Lemieux sign one year contracts this summer making them arbitration eligible for next summer. Their play will determine how big those contract decisions will be.

I have read how the Rangers should sign Buchnevich to a one year contract for around $3M this summer to save money for this season and look at signing him for more next summer. It could cost a lot more next summer if he has a big year. The Rangers have more offensive players this season. 2 years/$7 million bridge deal this summer.

The Rangers have to prepare for the expansion draft in 2021. Need to add two signed forwards and one signed D to expose in the expansion draft. One signed goalie or a goaltender who received a QO. Signed for 21-22. Maybe Fast gets a 2 year extension making him eligible to be exposed in the expansion draft.

They have so many contracts expiring after 20-21. Andersson. Chytil. Howden. Hajek. Shesterkin(the only arbitration eligible player in that group). If Pavel gets a 2 year bridge deal, his deal expires that summer too and he will be one year away from group III.

The NHL TV contract expires after 20-21. The cap should go up with more revenue into the system.

The Rangers have to deal with Kakko, Kravtsov and Fox in the summer of 2022. Fox will be arbitration eligible.

Just get through this next week. Clear out the money. If the Rangers have to buy a player out, they don’t have much of a choice. The last two years of the Smith buyout will come with a higher cap starting in 21-22.

Trade Kreider this summer or at the deadline. He is the last player left to sell off.

 

[Leetch3]

I don't think how good kreider is, especially in the short term, even needs to be debated at this point. obviously we are a better team right now with him than without...but he's gonna get $7 mil per year till he's 36. that's the problem. and the problem isn't just the assumption that his play will decline toward the end of that deal but also the fact that you'd then be committing $19 mil to 2 LW

 

[SA16]

The idea isn't that he misses games injured. It's that he plays injured often which hurts his performance.