Value of: ROR to the Leafs at the deadline.
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The blues in general are not playing well as a team. Not resigning perron, imo, caused issues in the locker room. It's time to retool rebuild
I think losing one guy did cause a lot of the Blues issues. But that one guy is Montgomery, not Perron. Going from Monty to Craig MacTavish is such a huge downgrade.
You underestimate DP57’s impact on the team on and off the ice. Was a horrendously stupid idea to let him walk knowing our cup window was THIS year and then cap hell. They also would have had the same team that nearly took Colorado to 7 games.
So that's where Mac T is
I don't deny he's a good player I wanted him in free agency but I find it hard to believe that he alone caused this.
Believe it lol. We went from a team that could play with/beat anybody to the team that gets smoked by Chicago and Arizona.
BleedBlue14
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Don’t take this the wrong way. But you are not a professional athlete. Your body does not heal the same way.
ROR is a notoriously well conditioned player and a player that has an extremely strong drive and work ethic. I highly doubt that the foot injury leaves any lingering effect on him.
He apparently didn’t feel it due to adrenaline, which isn’t uncommon. I don’t think you can really judge that in regards to whether it was a bad break or not. But considering there wasn’t any damage (nor would you expect there to be on a break caused by blocking a shot) I would doubt there’s any real concern in regards to it lingering. Everyone’s body is different, but I’d venture to guess he’s back a bit before the time slot.
HuGort
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Did you see him olay last year. We almost beat the cup champions. Ror shut down their top line. You don't fall off a cliff in one year
BlueBaron
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"I have no argument but I do have a meaningless cheapshot".
Good talk. Don't know why this couldn't be civil.
HuGort
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He's had bad season also. A 30 something veteran with hard mileage on him. The question is how far has he fallen? Will a team gamble a blue chip prospect like a Knies type or high first?
No we know, but we also know that unless It's Timo Meier our top prospect isn't going for a rental.
What I am saying is he hasn't fallen. He is having a bad season. On a really bad team. He is the guy you want shutting down top lines.
I saw what the blues did to win. So i think i have a little insight.. A team that wins the cup a a well rounded team. A team that plays for each other. You have scorers defenders and two way players. Toronto is a great team this year. But if leafs want a cup you need heart and exp. That's not timo that's ror. Also Kane. I'm just saying. I don't think knies will ve involved but a first defiantly. If toronto stands pat you will not make it that far. You guys just need to have that guy who is put out against top lines. Who wins 60% of face offs and can cover for defensive liabilities all while generating offense. You get ror you become a contender. You get timo.meir you may win a round or two but you will lack the two way play needed to contend
I don't think most people have an issue saying a 1st will be involved it will be
The contention is the instance on Matthew Knies, that idea needs to die
I know from your stand point he is untouchable. I respect that. When you factor in if dubas doesn't make finals this year he is done desperation makes people irrational. Shanny is on hot seat as well. I'm saying it's 30% possibility. But it probably could be a mikola and ror. Or ror and Barby that could cause knies into it. I can see army pushing for snuggy freshest line mate.
BlueBaron
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Well even after this past draft some sites still have him in the top 30. Sounds like a pretty good prospect to me. He brings a skill set that is slowly dying in the nhl and a lot of teams cover that.
No no he's not untouchable but if he goes It's for a player with term, like for example if St Louis is willing to move Pavel Buchnevich, or Philadelphia is open to Travis Konecy.
There should not be a single prospect, pick or young player considered untouchable this team is to good for that.
But there are players that if you are going to trade it can't be for a rental.
There could be an exception made for Meier
I will also say I don't think Dubas needs a finals appearance to save his job.
I would say a conference finals is needed to guarantee it.
Gary Nylund
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This is way over the top. Here's IMHO a more realistic assessment:
The Leafs most likely path to the cup is that they need to beat at least 3, and maybe 4 top 5 teams. Assuming that their chances in each series are 50% (perhaps a bit on the optimistic side since they will be dogs against Boston), that would give them a 6.25% chance of going all the way. Now let's be super duper over the top optimistic on what ROR would do to the odds, and say that he improves their odds by 33%, that means their odds go up from 6.25% all the way to 8.3125%. More realistic though is that adding ROR improves their chances by much less than 33%, bottom line is that the Leafs chances are slim, with or without ROR so giving up their best picks/prospects would be in a word, desperate.
The reality is that the Leafs could add ROR and still easily lose to TB in round 1, or they could just make some lesser adds to toughen up their bottom 6 (or even stand pat) and they could go all the way, but saying they're a contender with ROR and doomed without him is nonsense.
If your theory is that Dubas will part with Knies because he's desperate, that's fine. People were saying similar things last season and they turned out to be wrong so you should be prepared to be wrong again.
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PocketNines
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Losing Alex Pietrangelo 100% caused our whole thing to collapse. Such a brutal, consequential decision that caused every downstream decision to be made on quicksand.
The difference is Dubas doesn't have a contract beyond this year, this probably is it.
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